Hi,
thanks all, just taken from the car window and they seemed not to mind as normally they lift and move further away when they see a car stopping, much the same as geese do as they seem to know the range of a shotgun and always manage to sit about 60-70 yards away, stop and then look back at you mockingly.
Ok the TC helped but even so these are pretty sizeable crops, but without a hide set up I don't think I could get any closer.
Mike.