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So the new 7D sits beside the 5D2. I guess the 5D2 is specialised for landscapes and portraits and 7D for sports and wildlife. No single tool specialised to do all. Great marketing stragedy :(.

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I don't see what your problem is. If you want a camera with fast AF and full frame, its a 1Ds Mk III

I think splitting the range is a good idea. You get the features you need and people have been crying out for a better weatherproofed, better AF crop sensor camera for ages.
 
I agree with you, but in contrast the only problem is, for non profs like me, I want to buy a camera that will do it all. I am not saying the 5D2 is not capable of wildlife and action shots and vice versa. BUt was hoping for a FF, great high ISO performance, combine that to the new 7D specs, and that's my ideal camera. But that's not just the case, at least for now.
Saying that, I will upgrade to the 7D depending on reviews, what I'm hoping for is better high ISO performance than the 40D and at least same or better AF than my 40D. That will make me happy, but still will long for FF:wacky:.

Edit: forgot to mention affordable price...
 
strobemonkey said:
Edit: forgot to mention affordable price...
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Well there's your stumbling-block right there...lol

If you want a camera that'll do everything, you'll just have to man-up and dig a bit deeper into the overdraft, won't you...:D
 
photostar_1 said:
.....and swap to a D700???
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yes there is also that...

You're starting at a disadvantage by 'choosing' a lower-price-point Canon - at the top of the tree there's little to choose from apart from user preference, but lower-down, Nikon have a lot more to offer...
 
The D700 seems to meet all your requirements?

I spent half an hour on the dark side (dpreview) last night, and I'm amazed at the following the
7D has achieved, for a camera that's not even available yet.
 
I think fundamentally, Nikon and Canon are taking different routes. The D700 is a stunning camera and I know that lots of people want Canon to make one. But, the 5DII is also a stunning and yet different camera.

I will eat my own hat if the 7D doesn't beat the 40D on AF performance and I think as a "1D lite" it has a very clear niche. Interestingly, it is also much closer to a D300 in ideology but I don't think that means Canon will copy the D700.

In some ways, I probably have the closest to a D700 on the market from Canon - a used 1Ds MkII. Similar price, stunning AF, better build quality, higher resolution, ok it's not quite as stunning at high ISO but it is usable to ISO1600 and that's normally enough for me.

I've never used a 5DII but I do wonder if the AF is that bad. I've seen people wanting better AF for studio and landscape work - I certainly use MF for landscapes to go for the the hyperfocal distance. I used to have a 5D "classic" and whilst the AF wasn't as good as with the 1DII and had alongside it, it was far from rubbish and I've certainly got very usable bird in flight shots from it.

Paul
 
grumpybadger said:
Nope - not the 1Ds MkIII - it's full frame!
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I'm sorry, my mistake, I had missed the 'S' :bonk:

It's not a sports camera though is it? and I wouldn't consider that a good all rounder body either. Great for portraits and landscapes but If you cover more than these areas, you'll also need a Mk III, plus back up bodies :wacky:

Plus a Mk III s is roughly the same price as a D3.
 
I don't shoot sports so I don't know what constitutes a sports body. Its a great wildlife camera though and 5fps is plenty for most situations. I very rarely shoot bursts.

Surely a D3 doesn't take away the need for a backup body either?
 
grumpybadger said:
I don't shoot sports so I don't know what constitutes a sports body. Its a great wildlife camera though and 5fps is plenty for most situations. I very rarely shoot bursts.

Surely a D3 doesn't take away the need for a backup body either?
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Of course it doesn't mate but my point is this (and it seems to be Richie's, the OP's point too).

Both brands are more than capable but If you shoot sports, landscapes, portraits or any other conceivable categories that require the use of full frame and a fast frame rate, then Canon is not the brand for you due to their feature splitting ethic.

It's the initial reason I switched to Nikon. Not brand loyalty or the want to experience greener grass, I need full frame and fast FPS, ie the one and only feature that Canon do not provide.
 
D700??? I actually tried Tel's D700 and the vf was so bright and it feels solid. Sorry I am a die hard Canonista... just that I don't like the feel of Nikon bodies in my hand.. feels weird to me. And the menu, well I get headaches when trying my friend's D90.

Re: 60D, I read Canon decided to brand the new Camera to 7D so as not to confuse it with the entry level nikoN D60..

Question: What's inbetween 5D and 7D?
6D = 1.3 crop? Will sit perfectly inbetween the two :D.
 
Tomas Whitehouse said:
Of course it doesn't mate but my point is this (and it seems to be Richie's, the OP's point too).

Both brands are more than capable but If you shoot sports, landscapes, portraits or any other conceivable categories that require the use of full frame and a fast frame rate, then Canon is not the brand for you due to their feature splitting ethic.

It's the initial reason I switched to Nikon. Not brand loyalty or the want to experience greener grass, I need full frame and fast FPS, ie the one and only feature that Canon do not provide.
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Fully agree Tomas and I personally think it is great that the ranges aren't that closely aligned between the "Big 2" as we have more choice this way. I love full frame but generally when I want real resolution and then I want more than 12Mpx - that's why I got rid of my 5D.

So, for most stuff, I use a 1DsII, which despite being an old dog now looks likely to continue living in my kit for a long time. The images it produces are exactly what I want. It does everything the D3 does apart from very high ISO and high speed burst. My thinking is that, in a couple of months, the 7D could make a very capable backup body to a 1Ds and also offer me the burst speed when I need it and the crop which may be useful.

Apart from the high ISO performance, I'm not sure why sports photographers need full frame?

strobemonkey said:
Re: 60D, I read Canon decided to brand the new Camera to 7D so as not to confuse it with the entry level nikoN D60..

Question: What's inbetween 5D and 7D?
6D = 1.3 crop? Will sit perfectly inbetween the two.
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I'm pretty sure there'll be a 60D (Canon's already had a D60 ;)) but it won't have the "special" features of the 7D.

The 7D has the 1-series style shutter, dual processor (like the 1-series), weathersealing (like the 1-series) - to me its a new model in the line up...

I can't see there being a 6D and I'm not convinced that the 1.3x crop will last. It's a technical anomoly from about 8 years ago when silicon sensors were much harder to make...
 
grumpybadger said:
Fully agree Tomas and I personally think it is great that the ranges aren't that closely aligned between the "Big 2" as we have more choice this way. I love full frame but generally when I want real resolution and then I want more than 12Mpx - that's why I got rid of my 5D.

So, for most stuff, I use a 1DsII, which despite being an old dog now looks likely to continue living in my kit for a long time. The images it produces are exactly what I want. It does everything the D3 does apart from very high ISO and high speed burst. My thinking is that, in a couple of months, the 7D could make a very capable backup body to a 1Ds and also offer me the burst speed when I need it and the crop which may be useful.
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Sounds like the 7D could be a good secondary body for you then mate.

grumpybadger said:
Apart from the high ISO performance, I'm not sure why sports photographers need full frame?
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It's not a necessity for sports alone but I'm a portraits chap that shoots figure skating in the autumn and winter.

Mind you, full frame certainly helps to get the wides of the arena sometimes and I also cover press conferences too, getting the best of wides is a great advantage (y)
 
Last year Canon impied that the xxD would be moved from an 18 month cycle to 12 month cycle and there would be a 2 tier system with 50D moving down to the 40D position when the 60D was launched.

This seems to have moved back to 18 month cycle, so I would expect to see a 60D launched in Spring.

The 5D2 and 7D makes sense as being speciality cameras aimed at the lower end of the professional range - a mini 1Ds for landscapes and portraits, and a mini 1D for those into sports.
 
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