Keeping things in proportion most of our comps are just a bit of fun, there are no massive prizes or international plaudits at stakeHow about the TP competitions? Can images taken on workshops be used in those...
I'm getting a sense that what is really being objected to here is "freeloading" -i.e. not putting in the effort - rather than workshops? What if I bought a guide book or just looked at someone else's work and just recreated it?
What if I went on a workshop but the light wasn't great so I went back a few days later when the light was better?
Annoying, but inevitably that page soon disappeared from his website. Annoying though it is, nothing can ever be done about these people and it's usually best just to ignore them.
I pity people like this, and really can't be bothered. And anyway, what's the point? from memory he was a minimum-pay unskilled worker in his day job and probably earned even less in his "professional photographer" role, so wouldn't be worth suing.Have you ever used the Wayback Machine? Sounds like a clear case of copyright infringement to me...
I pity people like this, and really can't be bothered. And anyway, what's the point? from memory he was a minimum-pay unskilled worker in his day job and probably earned even less in his "professional photographer" role, so wouldn't be worth suing.
It doesn't always cache images though.Absolutely fair enough but if you needed to then the Wayback machine is an invaluable tool.
It doesn't always cache images though.
I have just remembered that you gave a lecture at my club in early January which included Nepal and was very well received. Also the group who went to Glencoe definitely included several from my Club and, while they joked about the weather, they were well pleased with what had been achieved.Thanks for the support @Dave Canon
I've never had anyone like that before. Hopefully won't have again.
It is definitely a problem. I suppose what irks me is how she is saying how wonderful Nepal was etc but the person who enabled it gets nothing in return. She's making out that she's done all the work in getting the imagery when it is nowhere near the truth. I also speak to my friend and guide in Upper Mustang. He told me a couple of weeks ago how she had been regularly messaging his asking for information. I was NOT happy!
Ideally, and I've had this at all other times, is that you have people who want to learn. Earlier this year I had a group in Glencoe. They went away extremely happy as even though it rained the entire length of the tour they went away with some great stuff.
I have just remembered that you gave a lecture at my club in early January which included Nepal and was very well received. Also the group who went to Glencoe definitely included several from my Club and, while they joked about the weather, they were well pleased with what had been achieved.
Dave
Yes Cheltenham Camera ClubAre you in Cheltenham? That's where most came from.
Well, I’ll be seeing you again early next year.Yes Cheltenham Camera Club
I won a minor competition with an image I took on a workshop - but the competition was for 'best image taken on the workshop', so I figured it was OKI won a major competition with an image I took on a workshop...and I make absolutely no apologies for doing so
I won a major competition with an image I took on a workshop...and I make absolutely no apologies for doing so
Without context a comment like this is just a hand-grenade thrown in to the thread.
Possibly but @gregww1 has integrity as far as I know of him. The person who was on my tour has zero.
What's frustrating for me is that, yes it's nice to see someone who took images on my tour get stuff into a competition, but it would be nice when they are saying to people how amazing it is over in Nepal just who it was that actually did all the hard work to get them in the right place at the right time.
To have someone say that my work was uninspiring yet put images in that look near to mine is frustrating as it makes me wonder exactly what said person's goal was.
And if you're curious about the images then keep an eye on my Instagram as I'm starting to post stuff as they've been registered in the US Copyright Office.
PS forgot. An old Chinese saying. If you’re prepared to drink the water you must remember the source.
I don't know what the workshop involved - tuition etc? - but it might be that the photographer concerned saw the "workshop" as a photo tour which you (Julian) had organised and took money for guiding people on. That might shed a slightly different light on it.
But she sounds like a real PITA so maybe the best thing is to try and forget about it. It won't do YOU any good to keep on being upset about it.
Without context a comment like this is just a hand-grenade thrown in to the thread.
Ok, to provide context, I made no secret of the fact the image was taken on a workshop, before or after the win...though not really a workshop in the traditional sense of tuition, that wasn't needed or asked for (though was available if requested), more of a guided expedition. The leader had not been to the location before, but had put the work in to identify its potential using various tools including google earth. It was a location that to our knowledge had not been visited before by landscape photographers, so massive kudos to the leader for that (and I haven't seen any photos from there since either). Of the 4 people on the workshop, including the leader, only 2 of us were in position prior to when the magic moment happened. The leader arrived at that moment and the other poor guy was suffering from a bout of the runs somewhere secluded and missed the whole thing. Image in the bag, the leaders version appeared on the cover of a significant industry publication only weeks later. I therefore had no qualms entering the competition with the image, as the composition was all mine and no advice was sought at any point. I take a line that it doesn't matter what the location is, I've seen plenty of photos from amazing locations with amazing conditions that just fail because the choice of composition (and the skill/eye of the photographer) is poor. Likewise, I've seen amazing photos from the most uninspiring locations. The quality of the photo is down to the skill of the photographer, not the location. If advice has been provided, in any way, like what to shoot, how to line up, what settings to use, etc, then in my opinion, the image doesn't wholly belong to the individual whose camera it came out of and shouldn't therefore be considered the sole work of the photographer for the purposes of competition. None of those criteria applied in my case, hence why I stand by the statement I made above.
Having said all of that, I sympathise with Julian here and appreciate the work leaders like him put in to get photographers to hard to reach locations. In his case, the individual, like me, shouldn't try to mask the circumstances the image came to be and should acknowledge the work the leader put in, publicly.
Personally, I’m sat on a plane waiting to go to Vietnam for the third time this year. More research plus a tour to run.
As they say In Vietnam, hen gap lại!
I can never access this forum over there so stay safe folks.
I think it depends on the degree of advice - to my mind there's a big difference between "Consider the rule of thirds when deciding on your composition", and "This path can be used as a great leading line, with the far tree as a point of focus, and the two people walking down it in silhouette".... If advice has been provided, in any way, like what to shoot, how to line up, what settings to use, etc, then in my opinion, the image doesn't wholly belong to the individual whose camera it came out of and shouldn't therefore be considered the sole work of the photographer for the purposes of competition. ...