Waterfall jumping nutters!

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I don't usually hang around in this part of the forum as landscape or nature are my usual haunts but an intended day of waterfall shooting turned out to be a little more interesting ;)

Here is a series of pics I took of this bunch of lads kayaking down these 15 to 20ft high waterfalls. At this time of year there is a lot of water and the waterfalls are furious and very intimitading to stand by imagining the power of that water nevermind attempt to come down them.

Anyway one poor lad found out just how dangerous it was too his cost and coming down one high "pencil dived" it and the kayak hit the rocks at the bottom. He apparently smashed his pelvic bone into the top of his leg bone or something like that.

The next thing to happen was a daring rescue by the mountain rescue helicopter just feet aways from trees. Amazing too watch. Man these helicopter pilots are skilled. Pictures of this at the end of the series.

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First nutter up!

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Second nutter up!

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And the consequences on the madness....unfortunatly :(

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great set

should try and find out who the nutters were and send them a copy. safer than the real thing. really clear pics good action and timing on all the shots
 
great set

should try and find out who the nutters were and send them a copy. safer than the real thing. really clear pics good action and timing on all the shots

Thanks :)

I did have a chat with them as well. Wish I had asked who they were or for an email address or something.

I would love to shoot them again. It was more fun than shooting the waterfalls ;)
 
Fantastic series, though very sad. I hope the poor guy survived :(

That aside, these are a wonderful series of shots.

As for the helicopter pilot, I believe it costs in the region of £800,000 to train one of them to this skill level! They are, indeed, very skilled (y) to them.
 
Love 13 & 14, really nice shots (y)

Completely agree, those helicopter shots are awesome.

As for the rescue people, this is exactly why they have a job, I have nothing but pure respect for the job these guys do all over the world, and i dont think its fair calling the kayakers "pillocks" its an extreme sport that is dangerous just because you dont participate doesnt make it wrong to do.
 
Great set of shots but it does make you wonder why the Rescue guys should put their lives at risk for these pillocks

Don't have a house fire and put the firebrigade, police and ambulance peoples lives at risk now will you! The rescue people are paid to put there lives at risk and firtunately we live in a free country where people are allowed to pursue there hobbies without fear or interference.
 
I would say they're paid to rescue people, not to put their lives at risk. In cases like these the injured party should be made pay towards to cost of what he's caused, but oh no, he won't pay a penny and he'll be doing it again before you can say "thoughless buffoon".
 
OK,

Let me put to bed any questions about wether SAR, Mountain Rescue, Ambulance etc should a) do the job & b) the injured party should have to pay.

I was a Search and Rescue Winchman / Paramedic for 20 years so have a reasonable knowledge of this topic.

1. Search and Rescue provided by the Military is established for the rescue of survivors from Military and Civilian Aircraft incidents & maritine incidents.
2. Search and Rescue provided by HMCG is established for the rescue of survivors from Maritine incidents.
These 2 services are mandated by international agreements
3. Fortunately such incidents above do not occur too frequently so the assets are used to support the civilian community - in fact anybody who has need of rescue and medical treatment in remote or inhospitable conditions. The military aircrew are allowed to fly in weather conditions that are well below the acceptable limits for civil aviation.
4. Without practice on people who get into dificulty doing extreme sports the service above would be of a lesser standard.
5. Many people choose either by profession or through sport to put themselves in precarious situations (Mountaineers, Canoeists, Sailors, Deep Sea fishermen, Oil Rig Workers, Forrester, etc) 99.9 % of these people are well equipped for what they do and are aware of the risk. Unfortunately every now and again they get into trouble and are very thankful that there is a dedicated service available to help them.
6. What no body ever talks about are the real time wasters and idiots. The ones who go for a walk up a Mountain path in flip flops and T shirts then call for help. Or call for help because they are lost and do not even know where they started from. Or who are quite happy to have a few beers and ride out to sea on a lilo.

I will now get of the hobby horse and say to the OP that if he tells me where the incident was I could put him in touch with the base where the Helicopter came from. I know for a fact that the crews would be most appreciative of any pictures from a 'job'

:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:
 
Don't have a house fire and put the firebrigade, police and ambulance peoples lives at risk now will you! The rescue people are paid to put there lives at risk and firtunately we live in a free country where people are allowed to pursue there hobbies without fear or interference.

MILITARY 'Rescue People' are paid to put their lives at risk, but the hundreds of civilian Mountain Rescue/Search and Rescue are ALL vollunteers and as such receive NO payment for rescuing/saving the lives of some of these pillocks who have no idea how to prepare for a day in the hills!
 
MILITARY 'Rescue People' are paid to put their lives at risk, but the hundreds of civilian Mountain Rescue/Search and Rescue are ALL vollunteers and as such receive NO payment for rescuing/saving the lives of some of these pillocks who have no idea how to prepare for a day in the hills!

This is on water however and they look more than prepared so lets end it there and keep it on topic eh? :)
 
Great set of Pics.

I actually know the guys involved in this as I am one of the kayaking "pillocks" one day I will dig out some pics to show you. If anyone wants to take pics next time i throw myself off of something silly let me know.

I hope no -one minds but I've added a link to the thread about the incident on a canoeing site I'm sure some of them will probably contact Siejones for a copy of the pics.

http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46357

As far as the "pillocks" attitude goes, trust me, running something like this is not taken lightly by any kayaker but accidents do happen. Suffice to say that these guys would have been well prepared for most incidents but at the end of the day a fractured pelvis requires slightly more specialist treatment.

Chris
 
Thanks very much everyone :D

I never thought of the media....I wouldnt' know which of the rags to approach though and it's probably a bit late now.

Hope I didn't stir up too much controversy on what I am sure has been a much discussed dabate before now.
 
Great set of Pics.

I actually know the guys involved in this as I am one of the kayaking "pillocks" one day I will dig out some pics to show you. If anyone wants to take pics next time i throw myself off of something silly let me know.

I hope no -one minds but I've added a link to the thread about the incident on a canoeing site I'm sure some of them will probably contact Siejones for a copy of the pics.

http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46357

As far as the "pillocks" attitude goes, trust me, running something like this is not taken lightly by any kayaker but accidents do happen. Suffice to say that these guys would have been well prepared for most incidents but at the end of the day a fractured pelvis requires slightly more specialist treatment.

Chris

Hiya,

More than happy to oblidge if anyone of them wants a copy of one of the pics :)

They will remember me being there. I spoke to them at one point. The internet sure makes this a small world!

Do you guys keep an online schedual of up and coming events so I turn up when I have time?

Oh and by the way I use the word "nutter" in the nicest of ways but you are are all indeed mad! Great for my photography though :D
 
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I would say they're paid to rescue people, not to put their lives at risk. In cases like these the injured party should be made pay towards to cost of what he's caused, but oh no, he won't pay a penny and he'll be doing it again before you can say "thoughless buffoon".

In cases like these they are being rescued by people who share the same passions for the outdoors and repeatedly reply with "It could just as easily have been me" Remember, when some who has no idea about rivers, falls whilst taking photos, Who do you think will be in the drink fishing them out?

That's right, Kayakers!

Stop this foolish finger pointing as you never know who's a) Listening b) about to save your bacon! People by their nature make mistakes, and other people realise this so are willing to risk their own lives to save others.

RNLI, MTR, and Fire Fighters. are all great people, but understand that risks are taken and enjoyed. As previously mentioned, it's only a frustration when poorly equiped and untrained people get into situations that are easily avoided.
 
Hey, i was part of the group whose buddy was rescued and we are exremleley grateful to the rescue services and all who stopped to encourage us.
I would like to point out that we were sufficiently prepared for a day on the river which we knew extremely well and had paddled the falls numerous times. It did strike me as we spent a while sat there waiting that it was almost as lighlty for someone to get injured clambering around on the rocks and scampering across the banks than paddling the river.
I was delighted to see the shots of the heli as it was truly amazing to see the pilot the craft so deliberately. If there are any other shots, please let me know as i'd be interested to see them, feel free to email me or wateva.

G
 
Great photos there I have to say! Well done with the Helo too, easy to mess up those rotors!

From what I've read, the paddler missed an eddy and ended up running the double drop blind, a very scary situation I'm sure.

This happened on the Mellte river in Wales, you can read more about it from the UK rivers guide book here

Siejones: I imagine that the agency I use might be interested in this, PM me some contact details and I'll put you in touch with them if you like.
 
Sie

If you want to send some pics to the SAR Crew they will be entered in the Sqn scrapbook. Some of these scrapbooks record Sqn daily history back to the beginnings. In the case of 22 Sqn 1915,
OC C Flt 22 Sqn RAF
RMB Chivenor
Barnstable
Devon

The RAF News published fortnightly might also be interested in your pictures. I do not know if or what they pay, it wont be much, but it might get you published. (editor@rafnews.co.uk)
 
Great photos there I have to say! Well done with the Helo too, easy to mess up those rotors!

From what I've read, the paddler missed an eddy and ended up running the double drop blind, a very scary situation I'm sure.

This happened on the Mellte river in Wales, you can read more about it from the UK rivers guide book here

Siejones: I imagine that the agency I use might be interested in this, PM me some contact details and I'll put you in touch with them if you like.

Thanks pm'd

Sie

If you want to send some pics to the SAR Crew they will be entered in the Sqn scrapbook. Some of these scrapbooks record Sqn daily history back to the beginnings. In the case of 22 Sqn 1915,
OC C Flt 22 Sqn RAF
RMB Chivenor
Barnstable
Devon

The RAF News published fortnightly might also be interested in your pictures. I do not know if or what they pay, it wont be much, but it might get you published. (editor@rafnews.co.uk)

Thanks I will see if they are interested. I myself do a lot of hill walking and wild camping and although (touch wood) I have never called on them it is a great comfort to know they are there. If they are interested I would consider it just another donation from me toward such a worthy cause.
 
Kayakeruk / BIG_G,

Nice of you two to drop in; and please accept my apologies if I thought you were a bunch of nutters :p but it's only because I am too scared to try / do what you guys happily do.

For me, the maximum adventure I do is to go out for a few miles walking on a very flat plane of heavily walked path.

I hope your friend gets well soon; meanwhile I am sure please do keep us updated (with pictures if possible) of your lesser dramatic adventures.
 
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Hi


I am one of the "Kayaking Nutters"! I don't want to enter a discussion about safety etc.

I am the paddler in the red boat, and my friend is the one in the orange boat. would it be possible to get copies of the photos please?? Some very nice shots!


Cheers
Rob


Edit:
Just to clarify, neither of the two paddlers shown in the pictures had anything to do with the accident or subsequent rescue.
 
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Hi


I am one of the "Kayaking Nutters"! I don't want to enter a discussion about safety etc.

I am the paddler in the red boat, and my friend is the one in the orange boat. would it be possible to get copies of the photos please?? Some very nice shots!


Cheers
Rob


Edit:
Just to clarify, neither of the two paddlers shown in the pictures had anything to do with the accident or subsequent rescue.


pm'd
 
Don't have a house fire and put the firebrigade, police and ambulance peoples lives at risk now will you! The rescue people are paid to put there lives at risk and firtunately we live in a free country where people are allowed to pursue there hobbies without fear or interference.

My point is that these guys are deliberately putting themselves in danger like the idiots who head onto mountains poorly equipped and the incredibly brave guys in the rescue services then are put at risk due to others stupidity. Should we look at charging people who have to rescued due to their own stupidity
 
Oh CaptainPenguin ... that's a lot of stupidity and idiots for one post, I'd say :shrug:
 
On that note, how would you charge my parents ...

One day, came home from school, it was nice, sunny, not and perfect for a dip in the pool. Ran into my room, changed into my swimming trunks, ignoring all that my mom was yelling (trying to pretend that I can't hear her in case she tells me not to swim before dinner). Ran out in to the garden and jumped, head-first, in to the pool.

In mid-air, I saw that my parents had emptied the pool for maintenance.

Crash landed, head-first in the deep end. Spent a good few days in hospital after that.

Of course, a whole medical team came to pull me out of that empty pool and I am sure it wasn't cheap to get them there, for that long a period of time.

Now, these kayakers may be going into dangerous places, but they are less risky than the idiots who go out binge-drinking (to name one silly social action).

So, how do you price the service rendered by the rescue team?
 
My point is that these guys are deliberately putting themselves in danger like the idiots who head onto mountains poorly equipped and the incredibly brave guys in the rescue services then are put at risk due to others stupidity. Should we look at charging people who have to rescued due to their own stupidity


Have you never had any accident?????

The problem is not people who properly equipped have accidents when carrying out their pass time, sport or profession. The problem is those who with no knowledge who endanger themselves. These guys were properly equipped and experienced for what they were doing. Because you choose not to Kayak does not make them stupid.

To bring this to a level of understanding, no one would be saying a landscape tog' should be billed if he slipped on a mountain path and broke his leg - as long as he was properly equipped, but if a tourist climbed a mountain to get a happy snap in flip flops and t shirt then there might be a case for billing.

There is a second problem - if people and the popular press go on about billing and the cost of rescue service (many of which are free and manned by volunteers) then healthy adventurous sport would end up over regulated by the H&S police - what next 'photographers are not mountaineers so they are not allowed more than 6 yards from a public Highway'.
 
My point is that these guys are deliberately putting themselves in danger like the idiots who head onto mountains poorly equipped and the incredibly brave guys in the rescue services then are put at risk due to others stupidity. Should we look at charging people who have to rescued due to their own stupidity

These guys were wearing appropriate gear and carrying the correct equipment. Accidents like this happen in the real world.

From what I've read the guy pencilled the first drop. This drop on the mellte is basically two big steps. There is a big pool at the bottom of the second step but the first step is shallow, it requires the paddler to "boof" that is, to launch their boat so that it lands flat on the water rather than diving in after the nose.

The paddler just didn't make the boof, it happens - much like tripping over a stone - these guys were prepared and trained but sometimes ***** happens.

The S&R should be praised and idiots who don't know what they are talking about should STFU. :bat:
 
Wow am I getting a battering here so let me try and clarify my position here
1) My daughter works at an Outward Bound centre in the wilds of Powys and she does Caving,Gorging etc so I am in no way anti extreme sports,if nothing elses they make great photo oppurtunities

2) Accidents happen to even the most well prepared people kids do dive into empty swimming pools by mistake and at the age of 14 Penguins try to go over vaulting horses and break their wrists the most well prepared and experienced climbers etc do get into trouble and need rescuing.

3) There are total prats out their (And in hindsight these Kayakers do not appear to be tarred with that brush) but the prats of this world go out onto mountains totally ill prepared,go out on rivers and lakes with no experience and life jackets,go sailing when a storm is forecast and try to drive the length of the country in blizzard conditions and then need rescuing.

4) As far as I am concerned all members of the Emergency Services should be paid megabucks whoever they may be,the bravery of Firemen the skill of the RAF Rescue,compassion of the Ambulance service and as for the volunteer services such as the RNLI and Mountain Rescue well these guys take my breath away.

5) But still is some pillock goes wondering up Snowden in the middle of January dressed as if he was going shopping in Oxford Street and people put themselves at risk to rescue him then I think there is a very good argument to charge him for the rescuers time and efforts
 
Wow am I getting a battering here so let me try and clarify my position here

Cap'n Penguin,

Now I have to agree with everything in your last post.

Sie was lucky to get such a Photo opportunity, and the Kayakers were unlucky on this day.

One thing is for sure - both will have something else to talk about in the pub for quite some time.
 
Hello everyone,
I’m sorry that my first post is like this but I’m pretty píssed off after reading this thread. I’m a photographer, web designer and a kayaker. I look forward to perusing the site and posting more in the future but for the moment I just have to get this off my chest. Siejones some really good photos you’ve posted, I love the first shot of the helicopter. Dogyakker, I hope your mates ok and apart from that you had a good day on the water.

Probably because it was the most rewarding job I ever had for 20 years.
Fairplay to you Captain Morgan!

Great set of shots but it does make you wonder why the Rescue guys should put their lives at risk for these pillocks

I’ve shown this to a few friends so it’s not just me who thinks this, you come across as a complete ásshat to put it nicely. (and that really is the nicest word I could come up with from the 5-10 jumping out at me)

My point is that these guys are deliberately putting themselves in danger like the idiots who head onto mountains poorly equipped and the incredibly brave guys in the rescue services then are put at risk due to others stupidity. Should we look at charging people who have to rescued due to their own stupidity

Do you know anything about kayaking? Did you even look at the images? Did you see how they setup rescue for this drop (setup by the paddlers themselves)? Even if you did see pictures of the rescue would you know if they were “deliberately putting themselves in danger” or ill “equipped”? From the sounds of it you wouldn’t have a clue if they were well equipped and had a perfect safety setup at the bottom of the drop! As you can see from the first two pictures they’ve scouted the drop. So their not being idiots and just running this blind. Accidents happen!

Wow am I getting a battering here so let me try and clarify my position here
Justified IMO! – It looks to me as if you’re just trying to redeem yourself in this post. Trying to redeem yourself from a clearly stupid, ignorant and unjust comment.

2) Accidents happen to even the most well prepared people kids do dive into empty swimming pools by mistake and at the age of 14 Penguins try to go over vaulting horses and break their wrists the most well prepared and experienced climbers etc do get into trouble and need rescuing.

Exactly, Accidents happen. Proper paddlers don’t just plough down a river and think “Oh, if I screw up we’ll call the emergency services, lets waste their time and money! Yea, we should put their lives at risk for the fun of it”.

Of course there are people who are untrained and stupidly head into these type of situations. Or hike up a mountain with only socks and a hat on but if you bothered to actually look at the images you can clearly see they’re not just joking about.

3) There are total prats out their (And in hindsight these Kayakers do not appear to be tarred with that brush)

In all honesty I don’t think you actually mean this. You still come across as somebody who thinks doing anything more adventurous then a stroll down your local park is ‘living on the wild side’

4) As far as I am concerned all members of the Emergency Services should be paid megabucks whoever they may be,the bravery of Firemen the skill of the RAF Rescue,compassion of the Ambulance service and as for the volunteer services such as the RNLI and Mountain Rescue well these guys take my breath away.

5) But still is some pillock goes wondering up Snowden in the middle of January dressed as if he was going shopping in Oxford Street and people put themselves at risk to rescue him then I think there is a very good argument to charge him for the rescuers time and efforts

I absolutely agree, if somebody is ill prepared, possibly charge the poor bugger but how would that work. You can’t always be prepared for every situation! Sounds like it would take more time then it was worth.


Rant over!
 
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