The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

nandbytes said:
because its awesome, everyone wants one (some people just don't know it yet) :D
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Tell you what... I'll get one if it'll eye AF with my Rokkors.

Anyway, I've spent too much on gear this month, I've bought a camera and three lenses and assorted bits and pieces.
 
woof woof said:
Tell you what... I'll get one if it'll eye AF with my Rokkors.

Anyway, I've spent too much on gear this month, I've bought a camera and three lenses and assorted bits and pieces.
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It does if you buy the techart Pro LM-EA7 adapter :D
 
Just checked and there's no stock.

That's a shame as I was going to order one.

Back in the real world... I've got a lens arriving Wednesday or Thursday :D
 
Ever since I got my 2nd Sony lens I have a small, ickle, tiny urge to get more and more lenses, almost to the point of my Canon level…..anyone want to donate me £20,000?
 
Could you go back to DSLR ?
What would it take for Canon or Nikon to bring you back?
Or is Mirrorless the only way now?
 
Last night was confession time to my family. I lined them all up and sat them comfortably opposite me and told them of my new love. It was incredibly difficult and at times I stumbled over my words.
The Olympus EM1 Mkii was sat next to its older cousin the Mki and arranged alongside were the 12-40 2.8, the 40-150 2.8 and 300 f4. The tiny 60mm macro was tucked up in bed.
“I’ve found a new love” I blurted out and with trepidation took her out of her bag. The A7Riii nestled lovingly in my hand.........

Right, back to the real world, I have taken both systems away on hols, I’ve only had the Sony for less than a month together with the 100-400. 2 days ago I gave each system a difficult test for wildlife on the move. I stood by a river in France and tried shooting swifts in flight and dragonflies in flight. Although I have produced some good BIF images with the Olympus system it simply could not match the Sony in this instance. I was unable to get anything with the EM1 Mkii and the 300, whilst the Sony, although it struggled with the demanding situation still produced some decent images.

So it’s crunch time when we get back, I can’t rationalise having these 2 systems. I have a Batis 85mm waiting for me and I need to decide on a walkaround for the Sony.
I’ll probably px the Oly 300 for it as they’re not easy to sell privately but I’m very much undecided on the walk around so I’ll spend some time looking on here and elsewhere for recommendations.
 
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Sidney77 said:
Could you go back to DSLR ?
What would it take for Canon or Nikon to bring you back?
Or is Mirrorless the only way now?
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Id never, ever go back to a dslr.

Based on Canon and Nikon previous and currebt mirrorless offerings dont inspire any confidence
 
Sidney77 said:
Could you go back to DSLR ?
What would it take for Canon or Nikon to bring you back?
Or is Mirrorless the only way now?
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DSLR with OVF, I'd say never. I am an EVF fanboi :D
If they release a decent EVF camera with good cheap lenses I'd consider swapping. I don't get along all too well with Sony anyway. So they just have to match Sony's offering in terms of specs.
Sony's eye AF is a awesome and I only shoot A7RII. I bet it is much improved on newer Gen bodies. Any manufacturer that wants my business needs to match this. My son is very active and knowing at least 70-80% of my shots will be in perfect focus is just awesome. Right now no one gives this option.
 
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F/1.4 said:
Id never, ever go back to a dslr.

Based on Canon and Nikon previous and currebt mirrorless offerings dont inspire any confidence
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Same, for me the last few things I was waiting for are now more than good enough, AF, battery life, handling, high quality 3rd party AF lenses.... only thing that Sony still needs to deal with is weather sealing for the pros.
 
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Sidney77 said:
Could you go back to DSLR ?
What would it take for Canon or Nikon to bring you back?
Or is Mirrorless the only way now?
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Coming from 35mm SLR's and film compacts I never really liked the growth in bulk and weight and "look at me" factor that came with DSLR's and when mirrorless came along I was an early adopter. Once I'd had a bit of time with mirrorles I came to love the things that EVF's bring and later I got into old manual lenses. So, for reduced bulk and weight and the benefits of EVF's and the ability to use old lenses mirrorless is for me :D DSLR's just don't offer these things and I'd only go back with a gun to my head.
 
Sidney77 said:
Could you go back to DSLR ?
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Very easily, it might even be marginally better for what I do most of the time.

Sidney77 said:
What would it take for Canon or Nikon to bring you back?
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Probably nothing now I'm invested in Sony's lenses, it's not like they can't make a better camera but I don't believe they'll make a better one in the same class (i.e. they can and will beat the A73 but it'll probably be priced like a A7R3 etc).

Sidney77 said:
Or is Mirrorless the only way now?
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A lot of people could reasonably say there's no point changing as a mirrorless won't make much difference to how they work (they are so similar in practice) but there's plenty of room for technical improvement so I expect to see mirrorless improving in a shorter amount of time than DSLR. I wouldn't expect to see companies heavily investing in improving their mid-high end DSLR technology at this point.
 
simonbarker said:
Probably nothing now I'm invested in Sony's lenses, it's not like they can't make a better camera but I don't believe they'll make a better one in the same class (i.e. they can and will beat the A73 but it'll probably be priced like a A7R3 etc).
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I can't see Canon or Nikon surpassing Sony in a combination of tech and speed of update and new model introduction. I think it may take a watershed change to do that. They could match the A7III but how much later to market will they be? They'll have to try hard and get away from the minor update and watering down of features mentality that seems to pervade at the moment. Changing the attitude of the management and the way the company tends to do things may actually be harder than exceeding Sony's tech. As in all things, time will tell.
 
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twist said:
From what Ive seen they have never had stock so I wouldn't rely on their price being honoured or them getting stock. Just getting clicks from a high demand product they cant supply.
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They will definitely honor it, it's Amazon.

They will also get stock, they have had stock of most other Sony bodies and are clearly expecting stock. This is Amazon were talking about not some midget retailer.
 
Tom Green said:
They will definitely honor it, it's Amazon.

They will also get stock, they have had stock of most other Sony bodies and are clearly expecting stock. This is Amazon were talking about not some midget retailer.
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Na mate, not always, Ive had a lot of orders cancelled or magically disappear en route then they wouldn't send the same item out at the price I paid originally.

Having stock of the other Sonys means jack s*** at the moment, check CPB, nobody has stock of the A7iii. The demand is still huge.

They had a release date of launch which I posted on this thread (and it kept changing), still no expected date but the 'UK camera retailers' have had stock come and go. Obviously they will get stock eventually I just wouldn't bank on it being anytime soon.
 
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woof woof said:
I can't see Canon or Nikon surpassing Sony in a combination of tech and speed of update and new model introduction. I think it may take a watershed change to do that. They could match the A7III but how much later to market will they be? They'll have to try hard and get away from the minor update and watering down of features mentality that seems to pervade at the moment. Changing the attitude of the management and the way the company tends to do things may actually be harder than exceeding Sony's tech. As in all things, time will tell.
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To be fair though the main reason Canon and Nikon are only doing minor updates to their DSLR’s is because there is only minor gains to be hand with current tech, minor sensor upgrades, etc - Sony were doing exactly the same thing with the A77 / A77ii before.

Canon/Nikon will have no choice but to make bigger steps or they’ll be dead, I’d also expect a larger range of mirrorless from those two, with a cheaper low end body (similar level to a 6D/D610), mid-range and then the higher end stuff (D810/D5 level, etc) but its going to take time.

Pricing I don’t see why both Nikon/Canon won’t be able to compete, they have a far larger existing installed user base to sell them to.
 
chrism_scotland said:
To be fair though the main reason Canon and Nikon are only doing minor updates to their DSLR’s is because there is only minor gains to be hand with current tech, minor sensor upgrades, etc - Sony were doing exactly the same thing with the A77 / A77ii before.

Canon/Nikon will have no choice but to make bigger steps or they’ll be dead, I’d also expect a larger range of mirrorless from those two, with a cheaper low end body (similar level to a 6D/D610), mid-range and then the higher end stuff (D810/D5 level, etc) but its going to take time.

Pricing I don’t see why both Nikon/Canon won’t be able to compete, they have a far larger existing installed user base to sell them to.
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Where they will struggle is lenses, its a tricky one, if they don't stay with the current mounts they will p*** off a lot of people.
 
Lens query folks...
Obviously I received the Tamron 28-75 on Friday and having put its through its paces I’m broadly happy although its hard to be certain until the Firmware update is out.

My intention was to pickup a wide angle (21 Loxia or 16-35) and a longer lens (85mm f1.8 / 70-200) to book end the Tamron.

I however had a 24-105 f4 arrive yesterday (Ordered Thursday when my Tamron didn’t turn up) - I was about to just send it back but I wondered for those of you using it, how is it beyond 75mm? I’m no bokeh hound or portrait photographer so in the most part the intention of the 85mm was just for a longer lens for my landscape/cityscape stuff but would the 24-105 stopped down give me similar results?.... would also have the benefit of giving me 24mm over the Tamron.....
 
twist said:
Where they will struggle is lenses, its a tricky one, if they don't stay with the current mounts they will p*** off a lot of people.
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Totally agree with you, I’d expect Canon will at very least be able to offer a very good adaptor (if Metabones and Sigma can do it for FE mount then surely), but Nikon always seem behind...
 
chrism_scotland said:
Totally agree with you, I’d expect Canon will at very least be able to offer a very good adaptor (if Metabones and Sigma can do it for FE mount then surely), but Nikon always seem behind...
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Adapter would be a solution but if it doesn't perform as well as their EF lenses on their DSLR folks will still be angry, all that investment for lower performance and no upgrade path for their current mount and possibly no new lenses to move over to the new mount.
 
chrism_scotland said:
To be fair though the main reason Canon and Nikon are only doing minor updates to their DSLR’s is because there is only minor gains to be hand with current tech, minor sensor upgrades, etc - Sony were doing exactly the same thing with the A77 / A77ii before.

Canon/Nikon will have no choice but to make bigger steps or they’ll be dead, I’d also expect a larger range of mirrorless from those two, with a cheaper low end body (similar level to a 6D/D610), mid-range and then the higher end stuff (D810/D5 level, etc) but its going to take time.

Pricing I don’t see why both Nikon/Canon won’t be able to compete, they have a far larger existing installed user base to sell them to.
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No not really. Sony last DSLR(sort of a hybrid) was basically a D850
 
twist said:
Adapter would be a solution but if it doesn't perform as well as their EF lenses on their DSLR folks will still be angry, all that investment for lower performance and no upgrade path for their current mount and possibly no new lenses to move over to the new mount.
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How did Canon shooters managed to jump on to the EF mount from the F mount i believe it was? I dont think there was an adapter for the previous mount ?

also i think nikon will price there mirrorless well whilst canon will do a Canon and cripple there camera.

If canon was to bring out a a7mk3 carbo copy, it would canabalise there while dslr ff lineup!

They wont pack a class leading AF on a entry level ff body canabalising a potential mirrorless 1dx mk3? no chance
 
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chrism_scotland said:
To be fair though the main reason Canon and Nikon are only doing minor updates to their DSLR’s is because there is only minor gains to be hand with current tech, minor sensor upgrades, etc - Sony were doing exactly the same thing with the A77 / A77ii before.

Canon/Nikon will have no choice but to make bigger steps or they’ll be dead, I’d also expect a larger range of mirrorless from those two, with a cheaper low end body (similar level to a 6D/D610), mid-range and then the higher end stuff (D810/D5 level, etc) but its going to take time.

Pricing I don’t see why both Nikon/Canon won’t be able to compete, they have a far larger existing installed user base to sell them to.
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On the minor update thing... yes there are limits to what can be done with a camera based on flappy mirrors but the culture is IMO still visible and when you look at the things that could be done which aren't for reasons of product differentiation doubly so. That's something that's surprising about the A7III in particular. In isolation I'm a little surprised that Sony released it but not in the context of Canon and Nikon possibly entering the market soon with more serious efforts than they've made to date.

Looking at the recent products from Sony, Canon and Nikon and the speed of the process I think of the three I'd see Sony as the most likely to introduce a camera that seems to move things on and compete directly with higher priced offerings from the same company. I'm surprised that Sony did this to the extent they have but I understand it considering that Canikon may be about to enter the market. I'd have been absolutely gobsmacked if Canon had done it.
 
jonneymendoza said:
How did Canon shooters managed to jump on to the EF mount from the F mount i believe it was? I dont think there was an adapter for the previous mount ?
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EF was their first major AF mount, there were pretty much no AF lenses in FD. So it was more like a step from MF to AF. F mount is Nikon.
 
jonneymendoza said:
How did Canon shooters managed to jump on to the EF mount from the F mount i believe it was? I dont think there was an adapter for the previous mount ?

also i think nikon will price there mirrorless well whilst canon will do a Canon and cripple there camera.

If canon was to bring out a a7mk3 carbo copy, it would canabalise there while dslr ff lineup!

They wont pack a class leading AF on a entry level ff body canabalising a potential mirrorless 1dx mk3? no chance
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AFAIK you can't use Canon FD lenses on an EOS camera with the usual simple empty tube spacer type adapter to restore the registration distance. You have to use an adapter with a corrective lens in it which could / probably will compromise optical performance. So most people don't bother.
 
jonneymendoza said:
also i think nikon will price there mirrorless well whilst canon will do a Canon and cripple there camera.

If canon was to bring out a a7mk3 carbo copy, it would canabalise there while dslr ff lineup!

They wont pack a class leading AF on a entry level ff body canabalising a potential mirrorless 1dx mk3? no chance
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Yeah, Nikon will probably continue with the same business model and buy in tech.

Thats the risk for Canon and their approach to their APSC mirrorless indicates they won't cannibalise sales like Sony were willing to do with the A73. They made a statement that they crippled their new mirrorless 4k on purpose.

NB Sony was way down when it came to existing user base (A mount) so the switch to a new mount was a good thing for them and possibly the only way they were ever going to make anything of their Imaging side, they were never going to be at the top in terms of DSLR tech or sales while using the same tech as Canikon.
 
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