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Difficult not to agree with him on one level. But to an extent with a lot of it, we still have a choice. We don't have to subscribe to Netflix, Spotify, etc We can still buy/read paper books get an actual newspaper. Some things we can't control, the electronics in our car etc.

Look at Adobe Photoshop. It has gone from buying a CD with the prospect having to pay more if you wanted to update (but did everyone need to update?) to a subscription model that has just kept on increasing in price. Yes you get the updates, but now there are other add ons, that have an additional cost. There are other options available, but most of them you don't actually have anything physical.
 
It's true, but it's a cultural issue - the desire for expensive items at an affordable price. Photoshop used to be around £600 for the CD set, so apart from buying it in Thailand or China, cheap copy, you could only use it if you did a college course or were pro or deadly serious. More prosaically, people wanted li=uxury cars, manufacturers wanted a larger market; so they created PCP for personal customers, where people effectively rent a car for 3-5 years then replace. I've no idea how people can afford that on top of rent, but many do.Gone are the days of running an old banger while you save up a deposit for a house (except for a minority of sensible people).
I had the subscription model but sometimes its the only way. However when you start receiving less and less for more and more, a line eventually is crossed. My wife loves her tv, but Sky subscriptions keep going up but with so many channels, there is less and less, to the point of there being nothing we want to watch. So at next reveal, we are ditching it because it's cheaper to subscribe to Netflix, Prima nd AppleTV as and when they have something we want to see, meanwhile we are watching old box sets of comedies and films we like and are happy to re-watch. Last night it was the film Every Which Way But Loose followed by an episode of One Foot In The Grave. All oldies but goodies. And we own them physically.
 
...wanted a larger market; so they created PCP for personal customers, where people effectively rent a car for 3-5 years then replace.
When I was running my own business, hiring a car for the three years and then buying it out and running it for another three years or so made good sense.

I can't see how it would benefit a non-business user. :thinking:
 
People often did buy the stuff they couldn't afford now on the never-never, spending well over the odds to do so, but they did eventually own the items. It's a small, possibly indiscernible change for some, a bigger change for the rest of us who didn't want to use that approach.
 
When I was running my own business, hiring a car for the three years and then buying it out and running it for another three years or so made good sense.

I can't see how it would benefit a non-business user. :thinking:
The benefit is the monthly payments usually include servicing, insurance, breakdown cover, VED, basically everything bar the cost of fuel. Most cars even get replaced at 3 years old, so before a first MOT is due. So it’s a totally hassle free experience. For some you get the smugness/bragging rights of regularly having a new car on your drive, maybe a high end one that’d normally be out of reach too, if that’s your thing.

Personally I’ve never done it, I prefer to own my car outright, but I can see the appeal for some people.
 
We stopped subscribing to the Virgin/Sky type stuff years ago, got sick of effectively paying to watch adverts. Netflix, Prime and Disney cover us pretty well, along with BBC iPlayer etc. They are so easy to use and pickup from where you left off I can see why they've become so popular. I buy Blu-rays for the stuff I really like mainly because it's the absolute best audio and video quality that streaming doesn't match, but it's also handy as a backup if the internet were to fail.

Re. cars; I can see the appeal to PCP/leasing and renewing every 3 years for hassle free motoring (as I see has been noted above whilst I've been writing this), although it's not really for me. I remember seeing a post on Facebook where someone asked why some people are willing pay so much each month just to get into a new car and the reply was, and I paraphrase: "imagine if you died tomorrow and you've spent all your life driving crappy old cars". I guess it depends on how much stock you put in cars, but that's not really a theory I'd subscribe to.

I guess it's like many things where if you rely on it, then it can control you. We saw a preview of this in Ukraine with Starlink. Parallels may also be drawn with, "When the state does everything for you, it will soon take everything from you."
 
Interesting comment I've seen recently is that the cost of PCP can be less than the depreciation on a new car over 3 years.
 
Interesting comment I've seen recently is that the cost of PCP can be less than the depreciation on a new car over 3 years.

Probably depends on the car and how the economy might shift because I believe PCP is supposed to factor in anticipated depreciation, but that both protects you or creates a benefit depending on how it depreciates.

PCP isn't something I'm all that interested in, but I have occasionally looked at it and often find that if you want a top spec model and are doing decent mileage, then buying used will be cheaper - but it obviously comes with risks of failures etc. PCP for top spec stuff seems to be horrifically expensive, except for things like Chery - but that may soon end if the tariffs are hiked up to 45% from 10% and the Chinese choose not to absorb it.
 
Probably depends on the car and how the economy might shift because I believe PCP is supposed to factor in anticipated depreciation, but that both protects you or creates a benefit depending on how it depreciates.

I'm sure that's right, but the comment was made in a Carwow video testing small EVs, where focus is quite heavily on price.
 
I'm sure that's right, but the comment was made in a Carwow video testing small EVs, where focus is quite heavily on price.

I've not seen it, so can't really comment.
 
I've not seen it, so can't really comment.

It's not the focus of the video, but just gets mentioned at one point part-way through. If you're not really interested in small EVs then I probably wouldn't bother watching as you can work out the validity of the point yourself. OTOH I found the video useful to get an idea of how variable range is real vs claimed and also what happens when an EV actually runs out of charge.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MVCBadmjc
 
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