Advice please - Candids at a wedding?

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I've been asked to talk candid pictures throughout the day at a friends wedding. There will be an official photographer there to do all the posed shots but my friends would like 'as it happens' shots throughout the day.

I mostly shoot motorsport so this is very new to me. What I'm looking for are answers (hopefully) to a set of scenarios.

I'll list my kit then the scenarios. If anyone would be good enoough to give me some answers/tips/advice I'd be very greatful.

Kit:

2 X Canon 350D
Speedlight 430EX
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Tamron 17-50 f/2.8
Canon L 70-200 F/4

Scenarios:

1. General candid shots. What apature, focus length gives the best overall results.

2. Using the flash. Hopefully it will be a sunny day but believe fill in flash gives great results. When outside is direct flash OK? Diffuser/No diffuser?

3. Group shots. What apature, focus length gives the best overall results.

4. Reception. Generally darker than anywhere else. What apature, focus length gives the best overall results.

5. ISO. I try to use 100 wherever possible but would 200 be a happy compromise without losing quality on the 350D?

6. Diffusers. I'm planning on buying a Stofen Omibounce (believe thats the correct name) Worth buying or should I stick with bouncing the flash?


I appreciate anyone taking the time to help me out here. I'm not trying to do oa pro's job or step on the pro's toes. I'm there to capture the random funnies, people having a laugh and general atmosphere of the event.

TIA for any help.
Neil.
 
Personally, I would stick with the 50mm indoor and out. You'll get the lovely blurred background, plus you'll be able to shoot in lower light with it too.

I am sure more seasoned people will be along shortly to help :thumbs:
 
Luckily I have two 350D's to use so I was going to keep the 50mm on one all the time and the 17-50 on the other, with the option for the 70-200 if I go the chance/range to use it.
 
For candid shots I would be tempted to use your 70-200mm and look for the subject being in the distance, zoom in and take the pics without them being aware. This makes for a more genuine shot methinks.

Inside depends on light but it's going to be hard getting a candid shot with a flash stuck in their face!
 
The reception shots will mostly be people talking and dancing rather than true candid captures.
 
Yeah use the 70-200 for some good distance candid shots. Put the ISO up if it's too dark so you can get better shutterspeeds.

On a 350D I wouldn't reccommend setting it at over 800 though, too much noise on that body.
 
You'll have a lot of running around if you stick to the 50mm. I use a 60-300mm and keep my distance. 24 to 35mm is OK for group shots at closer range and I use a 24-135mm or an old constant f2.8 Tamron 35-105mm, both of which are fine indoors. Communicate with your subjects (a node, smile, wink, thumbs-up).

The Omnibounce can be useful for cutting your flash output by about 3 stops; but not much else, in my opinion. I prefer the results from a simple bounce card. Use high ISOs if you need to, and convert to B&W.

Dropping your flash output by 1 or 2 stops is OK for fill with the flash aimed direct. Sorry I haven't got specific knowledge of your gear.
 
I've been asked to talk candid pictures throughout the day at a friends wedding. There will be an official photographer there to do all the posed shots but my friends would like 'as it happens' shots throughout the day.

I mostly shoot motorsport so this is very new to me. What I'm looking for are answers (hopefully) to a set of scenarios.

I'll list my kit then the scenarios. If anyone would be good enoough to give me some answers/tips/advice I'd be very greatful.

Kit:

2 X Canon 350D
Speedlight 430EX
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Tamron 17-50 f/2.8
Canon L 70-200 F/4

Scenarios:

1. General candid shots. What apature, focus length gives the best overall results.

Depends on what you are trying to achieve. Large aperture long focal length, short distance to subject - will give creamy background blur isolating your subjects which can be nice.

2. Using the flash. Hopefully it will be a sunny day but believe fill in flash gives great results. When outside is direct flash OK? Diffuser/No diffuser?

Best to diffuse the light. A reflector may help too. Direct flash can be used but it needs to be enough to fill the shadows from the main light (i.e. the sun).


3. Group shots. What apature, focus length gives the best overall results..

Depends on the light and depth of field you require. You cannot say what is "best" unless you are there, see the subjects and see the available light. if you could give "best settings" photography would be easy! :)

If you have a 3-4 people deep group shot you need to think about the depth of field. Focal length - depends on how wide your group is. Remember wide lenses have wider depth of field than longer lenses.


4. Reception. Generally darker than anywhere else. What apature, focus length gives the best overall results..

See above - Impossible to say. put your camera in manual and set your ISO to 400 and aperture to say f5.6 and try that. remember your flash has very limited range though. Upping the ISO will help let in more light.

5. ISO. I try to use 100 wherever possible but would 200 be a happy compromise without losing quality on the 350D?.

200 should be ok but use ISO to get the required shutter speed for any given aperture /shutter speed combo you want.


6. Diffusers. I'm planning on buying a Stofen Omibounce (believe thats the correct name) Worth buying or should I stick with bouncing the flash?.

I think you really need to practice a lot by the sounds of it and reading a lot will help. The omnibounce softens the light and is meant to be used when bouncing the flash. Yes it''s better but flash range is a little more limited as you lose more light.

I appreciate anyone taking the time to help me out here. I'm not trying to do oa pro's job or step on the pro's toes. I'm there to capture the random funnies, people having a laugh and general atmosphere of the event.

TIA for any help.
Neil.

Hope all goes well but do some reading on "Exposure" and this will help you understand the relationship of aperture and depth of field, shutter speed and camera shake/subject motion and also ISO and it's effect in the Exposure triangle. Also higher ISO does = more noise but up to ISO400 you'll not notice too much so long as you get decent exposures.
 
I managed to shoot an entire wedding, for a friend, with a 30D, 17-85 f/4-5.6 lens and a 580EX flash with no modifiers. There was no pro at all and I did not have to do any posing or anything, just capture the day. I made some pretty horrendous gaffs, but by shooting in raw I was able to save the day reasonably well. The results (post edit) are in an album here - http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/EezyTiger/200610_Kim_and_Andy_Wedding.

Some lessons learned....

- Shoot in raw. It will help you out with any WB issues and, to a degree, exposure errors. Raw certainly saved my bacon.

- If you don't know your flash system then get to know it well before the wedding. Left on full auto you are likely to get surprising and possibly disappointing results. If you can avoid using flash you will make your life a lot simpler, but sometimes you may just have to use it, either because there is not enough light or you need to provide fill against backlighting. If it is sunny then you will almost certainly need flash outside because the party should be posed facing away from the sun so they don't squint. Either that or they will be in open shade but perhaps with a sunny background.

- The 50 f/1.8 may sound like great idea, and it may save you from using flash indoors but consider the following....
. The lens is sharp when stopped down a bit but not great wide open at f/1.8. If you stop down to f/2.8 you're no better off than with the Tammy.
. The AF is noisey and can hunt quite a bit in low light and may not prove that accurate
. It has nice bokeh when wide open but as soon as you stop it down the five blade aperture causes pretty ugly pentagonal specular highlights in the background.
. As I mentioned, I shot an entire wedding with an f/4.0-5.6 lens. I used Av mode at f/5.6 for most indoor stuff. Although f/1.8 may sound great you'll still be streets ahead of me when I had to use my 17-85 even if you only shoot at f/2.8.
. Since you have the Tammy I'd stick that on one body for the wide stuff and the 70-200 on the other body. Keep the 50 as a backup, but, to keep things simple, don't plan on using it.

- Exposing for the dress and everything else is a tough gig if you're not experienced. The dress is paramount. You must expose well for the dress and not blow the detailing on it. If you have constant, even lighting then use manual exposure so you can control what is going on and not have to keep dialing in EC every time the scene/subject changes. If you shoot with flash I'd say manual exposure is even more important, in order to hold the background exposure steady. Let the flash take care of subject illumination and allow the background to be underexposed just a fraction.

- If you are shooting indors with tungsten lighting and also using your flash then be very aware that you are mixing two very different colour temperatures. The ideal solution would be to use a CTO gel (colour temperature orange) to warm your flash so it matches tungsten light. Then you can easily use tungsten WB. If you have a yellow/red background and a blue/white subject your shots will look very weird - Some of mine did :(

- Check your histogram frequently, and check for overexposure - blinking highlight indicators on the image itself.

- If you can stabilise your background/ambient exposure by shooting manual you will still need to be ready to ride that FEC control for your flash. Canon's ETTL-2 system is very protective of highlights and is very prone to underexpose if you are not careful. Anything bright and reflective in the scene - glass/metal/white paintwork etc. - can fool the flash metering and cause it to quench early and underexpose the shot. If the frame is full of wedding dress then you will need to bump up the FEC by a couple of stops in order to get the dress looking white and not grey - but check the histogram to make sure you don't overcook it. Conversely, a predominance of black, like a row of tuxedos, can fool the flash into overexposing - the camera sees all the dark material and figures it will need to add a lot of light to make it "middle grey". But you want black tuxedos looking (near) black, not middle grey. Be on top of that FEC once more.

- Stay out of the way of the pro. He is being paid to get "The" shots and when he is taking photos he is going to want people's eyes focused on his lens, not yours. If people have two cameras to look at you will b****r up the happy couple's shots and neither they nor the pro will be pleased. If he is friendly and offers advice etc. then that is great. You may even be abe to complement each other's work and everyone will benefit. Who knows what opportunities may lie further down the road? It would probably be worth having a friendly word with the pro at the start of the gig, just so there are no misunderstndings. It would also be good if the B&G explain that they have asked you to shoot as well, just so he understands his clients' wishes.

- You asked about apertures and focal lengths. It's hard to offer advice without knowing the venue, the distances involved and the lighting inside and the weather outside. Sure aperture is important, for creative DOF, but the thing not to get caught out on is shutter speed. When I shot in Av mode, even with flash, my shutter speed was roaming all over the place and quite a few shots were ruined due to motion blur in my subject(s). IS saved me from camera shake but 1/40 was not a good speed for freezing motion in candid subjects. I'd say you need to keep your shutter speed at 1/60 as a minimum and that will influence your choice of aperture and ISO.

- Flash modifiers - a Stofen Omnibounce might be useful but it depends what colour walls and ceilings the venues have and how close they are. They are wasteful of light, but if the environment is advantageous they can work very nicely. A cheaper alternative would be to make your own bounce card, from a piece of white card and a rubber band, or fun foam. Have a look here for a rather long winded, but ultimately worthwhile, instructional video....

http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/

I think that's enough rambling for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask. If I think of any more crucial points I'll add them later.

By the way, I'm not a wedding tog - I've only ever shot the one wedding - but I have been doing my best to learn how my camera works and the quirks of Canon's flash system and how to tame it (a bit).
 
Personally speaking, I tend to do candids in B&W, as high an ISO as I can use, with a short (35-70, or nifty fifty) lens, get close and don't bring the camera to my eye till you have a shot in mind, set the approximate focus distance and apature first, then quickly correct focus and shoot as quickly as possible.

Edit: I'd avoid Flash Photographs, It's ok for candids to look imperfect and gritty, but you'll struggle to get natural images if everyone is uncomfortable with you around due to being disturbed by a blinding flash.
 
my "job" is shooting a lot of the candid stuff at weddings while her indoors does a lot of the more formal stuff.
if your outside, the longer lens is often an advantage.
if your not in peoples faces, theyre more relaxed , and dont notice you taking the shots. that way , theyre a lot more natural.i spend a fair amount of time "looking" for a good shot.
if your running aperture priority,( for depth of field adjustment) keep and eye on shutterspeeds.up iso if needed.
or if using shutter priority, try and keep your speeds in line with lens. ie 200m, 250 th ish.definitely above 80 if your on shorter.
i have the luxury of a slightly faster lens, but the 17-50 would be good for inside too.its easier to compose shots with a zoom lens in a lot of cases.
i use a lot of flash, but tend to bounce off ceilings where possible. and run a higher iso of around 400.keep an eye on interior lighting if not using flash. tungsten lighting may require white balance setting accordingly.
running without flash is ideal, but a lot of venues can b quite dark.and the nifty can result in a depth of field too short sometimes.
people dont stand in straight lines at receptions.
i emphasise that my mrs is the pro, not me. but ive learnt a lot, and this works for me.
 
Thank you all so much for all the great advice. I'm going to spend a few nights this week with the flash to learn more about the manual controls.

I'm really looking forward to the day but nervous about getting it right.

I'm going to re-read all the advice a few times so it sinks in :)

Luckily the reception venue is well lit and lightly coloured so there should be a good amount of light.

Besides my task of taking candid's all day I've been asked to do the following:

Few shots of Grand parents with Wedding Cars.
Cutting the cake.
First Dance.
 
(excellent link in post above^^^^)
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this is a fantastic post, i wanted to ask wedding togs if they used shutter priority much indoors as i thought this would maybe be ideal to stop motion and make sure you got the clear shots indoors as the camera tends to go to wide aperture for the faster shutter speeds anyway.
at least as an option anyway if there is a lot going on.

any thoughts anyone?

I managed to shoot an entire wedding, for a friend, with a 30D, 17-85 f/4-5.6 lens and a 580EX flash with no modifiers. There was no pro at all and I did not have to do any posing or anything, just capture the day. I made some pretty horrendous gaffs, but by shooting in raw I was able to save the day reasonably well. The results (post edit) are in an album here - http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/EezyTiger/200610_Kim_and_Andy_Wedding.

Some lessons learned....

- Shoot in raw. It will help you out with any WB issues and, to a degree, exposure errors. Raw certainly saved my bacon.

- If you don't know your flash system then get to know it well before the wedding. Left on full auto you are likely to get surprising and possibly disappointing results. If you can avoid using flash you will make your life a lot simpler, but sometimes you may just have to use it, either because there is not enough light or you need to provide fill against backlighting. If it is sunny then you will almost certainly need flash outside because the party should be posed facing away from the sun so they don't squint. Either that or they will be in open shade but perhaps with a sunny background.

- The 50 f/1.8 may sound like great idea, and it may save you from using flash indoors but consider the following....
. The lens is sharp when stopped down a bit but not great wide open at f/1.8. If you stop down to f/2.8 you're no better off than with the Tammy.
. The AF is noisey and can hunt quite a bit in low light and may not prove that accurate
. It has nice bokeh when wide open but as soon as you stop it down the five blade aperture causes pretty ugly pentagonal specular highlights in the background.
. As I mentioned, I shot an entire wedding with an f/4.0-5.6 lens. I used Av mode at f/5.6 for most indoor stuff. Although f/1.8 may sound great you'll still be streets ahead of me when I had to use my 17-85 even if you only shoot at f/2.8.
. Since you have the Tammy I'd stick that on one body for the wide stuff and the 70-200 on the other body. Keep the 50 as a backup, but, to keep things simple, don't plan on using it.

- Exposing for the dress and everything else is a tough gig if you're not experienced. The dress is paramount. You must expose well for the dress and not blow the detailing on it. If you have constant, even lighting then use manual exposure so you can control what is going on and not have to keep dialing in EC every time the scene/subject changes. If you shoot with flash I'd say manual exposure is even more important, in order to hold the background exposure steady. Let the flash take care of subject illumination and allow the background to be underexposed just a fraction.

- If you are shooting indors with tungsten lighting and also using your flash then be very aware that you are mixing two very different colour temperatures. The ideal solution would be to use a CTO gel (colour temperature orange) to warm your flash so it matches tungsten light. Then you can easily use tungsten WB. If you have a yellow/red background and a blue/white subject your shots will look very weird - Some of mine did :(

- Check your histogram frequently, and check for overexposure - blinking highlight indicators on the image itself.

- If you can stabilise your background/ambient exposure by shooting manual you will still need to be ready to ride that FEC control for your flash. Canon's ETTL-2 system is very protective of highlights and is very prone to underexpose if you are not careful. Anything bright and reflective in the scene - glass/metal/white paintwork etc. - can fool the flash metering and cause it to quench early and underexpose the shot. If the frame is full of wedding dress then you will need to bump up the FEC by a couple of stops in order to get the dress looking white and not grey - but check the histogram to make sure you don't overcook it. Conversely, a predominance of black, like a row of tuxedos, can fool the flash into overexposing - the camera sees all the dark material and figures it will need to add a lot of light to make it "middle grey". But you want black tuxedos looking (near) black, not middle grey. Be on top of that FEC once more.

- Stay out of the way of the pro. He is being paid to get "The" shots and when he is taking photos he is going to want people's eyes focused on his lens, not yours. If people have two cameras to look at you will b****r up the happy couple's shots and neither they nor the pro will be pleased. If he is friendly and offers advice etc. then that is great. You may even be abe to complement each other's work and everyone will benefit. Who knows what opportunities may lie further down the road? It would probably be worth having a friendly word with the pro at the start of the gig, just so there are no misunderstndings. It would also be good if the B&G explain that they have asked you to shoot as well, just so he understands his clients' wishes.

- You asked about apertures and focal lengths. It's hard to offer advice without knowing the venue, the distances involved and the lighting inside and the weather outside. Sure aperture is important, for creative DOF, but the thing not to get caught out on is shutter speed. When I shot in Av mode, even with flash, my shutter speed was roaming all over the place and quite a few shots were ruined due to motion blur in my subject(s). IS saved me from camera shake but 1/40 was not a good speed for freezing motion in candid subjects. I'd say you need to keep your shutter speed at 1/60 as a minimum and that will influence your choice of aperture and ISO.

- Flash modifiers - a Stofen Omnibounce might be useful but it depends what colour walls and ceilings the venues have and how close they are. They are wasteful of light, but if the environment is advantageous they can work very nicely. A cheaper alternative would be to make your own bounce card, from a piece of white card and a rubber band, or fun foam. Have a look here for a rather long winded, but ultimately worthwhile, instructional video....

http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/

I think that's enough rambling for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask. If I think of any more crucial points I'll add them later.

By the way, I'm not a wedding tog - I've only ever shot the one wedding - but I have been doing my best to learn how my camera works and the quirks of Canon's flash system and how to tame it (a bit).
 
For more candid photos, I would suggest a decent compact. When people see an SLR, they tend to ham it up for the camera but if they just see a little camera they'll tend to ignore it and behave naturally.
 
(excellent link in post above^^^^)
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this is a fantastic post, i wanted to ask wedding togs if they used shutter priority much indoors as i thought this would maybe be ideal to stop motion and make sure you got the clear shots indoors as the camera tends to go to wide aperture for the faster shutter speeds anyway.
at least as an option anyway if there is a lot going on.

any thoughts anyone?

Since I made that post above I have shot a further five weddings, four of them professionally. I am pleased to say that as far as I am concerned everything I said a year ago still stands.

As far as your question about shutter priority is concerned, it would always be my preference to shoot in manual mode for most, if not all of the time, so my exposure is not thrown off by wildly varying tones of subject. Indoors you could easily find the subject changing from a white gown to a black tux and the background changing from a dark wood panel to a lighting fixture or bright window. Any autoexposure mode is going to have you chasing your own tail unless you are pretty nifty at reading the scene and swivelling that EC dial.

Here's an example. The windows would have played havoc with metering for autoexposure and any slight adjustments to composition would have thrown things off. If the person in the black suit had been replaced with a lady in a pale dress then the metering would have been thrown off again. By shooting with manual exposure the windows didn't make a blind bit of difference to my exposures and neither did the subject. I was never more than 1/3 off of an ideal exposure within the church. The only edits to this were WB and crop, no exposure adjustments at all...

20090418_141841_6193_LR.jpg


Outdoors it's not much different - black tux, white gown, dark flesh, light flesh, brickwork background, tree background, whitewall background, blue sky background, bright white cloud background - all sorts. Meter for the light striking the subject (meter off your own palm at +1.3 stops), not the reflected light from the subject, and then set a manual exposure that will hold good until the lighting itself alters.

Now, that's not to say I'm a manual mode puritan. Sometimes things are moving so fast that I can't keep up and it is more expedient to let autoexposure take the strain. The resulting exposure may not be dead on but so long as I don't destroy the highlights there is plenty that can be done to tweak a raw file that is a little off. Here's an example after the service, where we were walking through the woods back to the bride's house. I was running backwards and the light was varying all the time as the trees' density varied, so I just stuck the camera in Av mode, with flash for fill, and let the camera earn its keep....

20090418_145946_6509_LR.jpg
 
For more candid photos, I would suggest a decent compact. When people see an SLR, they tend to ham it up for the camera but if they just see a little camera they'll tend to ignore it and behave naturally.

Who says they have to see the SLR? I'd far rather have an SLR with fast focusing, fast glass, great high ISO performance, shallow DOF and bounced flash than a compact with none of those things.

Candid at 170mm (272mm equivalent), 1/125, f/2.8, 800 ISO, bounced flash....

20080822_180027_7753_LR_filtered_LR.jpg


It's not a great shot by any means, but it's about a gazillion times better than a compact would have managed, I suspect.
 
very good, i can see exactly what you mean there, i think this is really my next thing to learn then, to meter properly, aliB was on about this the other day and im making progress but need practice but getting there.
I also wanted to ask you, you mentioned you were using a lens that stopped at f4, do you still use the same lens or have you gone for a 2.8 or something to get the extra light in?
 
very good, i can see exactly what you mean there, i think this is really my next thing to learn then, to meter properly, aliB was on about this the other day and im making progress but need practice but getting there.
I also wanted to ask you, you mentioned you were using a lens that stopped at f4, do you still use the same lens or have you gone for a 2.8 or something to get the extra light in?
That first wedding was back in 2006, when all I had was my 17-85/4-5.6 zoom. A year later I added the 17-55/2.8 IS and 70-200/2.8 IS to my collection and those were my main two lenses for weddings in 2008. I haven't used the 17-85 since getting the 17-55 and 70-200. I did have a 50/1.8 but never used it for weddings or anything else. It is now sold.

Six months ago I bought a 1D3 and upgraded my lens kit to go with it, adding a 16-35/2.8, 24-70/2.8, 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 (before the prices shot up in January onwards). My last wedding was shot just with the 1D3 and mostly the 24-70 with a few evening shots taken with the 16-35. Of 143 shots remaining from the shoot, 84 (59%) were taken at apertures faster than f/4. The only reason that so many were stopped down to f/4 and slower is because for the outdoor shots I needed fill flash to fight the bright sunshine/backlighting and I did not want to use HSS. Thus I had to stop down to remain within my camera's max sync speed (1/300).

An f/4 lens can get the job done, just about, if the light is kind and the wind is in your direction, and your camera has good AF and you have a decent flash, but if the heavens conspire against you you will be screaming for a faster/wider aperture. Suppose you are in a dim church and flash is not allowed and your lens only opens to f/4? I've had to shoot a service from the back at 200mm, 1/60, f/2.8, 3200 ISO, no flash on a crop body camera. I scraped by, just, but with an f/4 lens I would have needed a shutter speed of 1/30 (too risky) or an ISO of 6400 - not good on a 50D.

I have the 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 handy just in case f/2.8 is not enough. So far I have not needed them, but I wouldn't want to be shooting weddings regularly or professionally with lenses that only opened up to f/4.
 
thanks mate thats exactly what i had predicted really, rumour are there will be a 24-70 soon with IS included. so i may hang around for that as i wont be doing weddings any time soon.
however i have a 40d and i dont think its really going to handle low light well anyway as anything over iso 800 is really quite grainy. Well see though, maybe L quality glass will let in more light at 2.8 than a cheaper tamron will at the same settings.

been an interesting thread this mate. thanks.
 
If you expose well then 1600 ISO on a 40D is absolutely fine. Example with no edits....

40D + 17-55 @ 35mm, 1/100, f/2.8, 1600 ISO, bounced flash. This was actually fired from the hip, quite literally, while I was standing chatting to the guests, so the framing is a little off. Amazing focusing performance from camera and lens for a snatched shot, I think. As for the noise.....?

20080816_222531_7342_DPP.JPG


Here is a 50% crop....

20080816_222531_7342_DPP_50.JPG
 
wow, so thats just down to good exposure, bloody hell i have a long way to go, the more i learn i find the further i have to go, its like watching the road in front stretch further and further the more you walk lolol.

thanks for that though, its great to see what CAN be done. :)
 
Well see though, maybe L quality glass will let in more light at 2.8 than a cheaper tamron will at the same settings.

been an interesting thread this mate. thanks.

ehhh, no.... lol 2.8 is 2.8, you'll still use the same other settings for 2.8 regardless of lens use.

The Tammy is fine, have that any day of the week over the 50 1.8 at a wedding.
 
Well I'm still learning and still making mistakes. Correct exposure, or ETTR exposure, is an excellent weapon against noise. Even so, sometimes things go wrong and yet the results don't seem awful once you downsize. Pixel peeping can be a real curse and keep you needlessly awake at night.

This shot was taken only 8 seconds after the image of the young lady above. Exposure settings were the same, with +2/3 FEC, yet I've had to boost the exposure to +1.5 in DPP before converting to JPEG. I guess that white shirt really fooled the flash. NR is at very low values (2,0). I've made no effort to fine tune the IQ here. This is just defaults, plus the 1.5 on exposure....

20080816_222539_7343_DPP.JPG
 
this thread has been a real eye opener to me, very useful, im trying to understand what im meant to be doing but i dont even know what im meant to be doing with the metering, however i will figure this out as it WHAT to do cant be that hard but doing it will no doubt take months of progress.

that website is great but i see stuff like
"Because I wanted to move around, I decided to use TTL and not manual flash – but this meant I had to bracket my exposures and ride my flash compensation."

and i have no idea what it means lol. anyway google is my friend for now so will get all this nailed soon. thanks for all the input, been great.
 
that website is great but i see stuff like
"Because I wanted to move around, I decided to use TTL and not manual flash – but this meant I had to bracket my exposures and ride my flash compensation."

and i have no idea what it means lol. anyway google is my friend for now so will get all this nailed soon. thanks for all the input, been great.

What he means is that he used "Through The Lens" (TTL) automatic flash exposure. The flash fires a pre-flash, checks the brightness of the reflected flash light, through the lens, and then decides just how much flash power to output. This is almost instantaneous and fully automatic.

Manual flash is great if you are working at a fixed distance from your subject and can control the lighting environment. But what he was doing when he made that statement is moving about to shoot the couple from different angles and distances, and with the background and other reflective surfaces changing. Basically he had to adjust the strength of the automatic flash, up or down, depending on the exact scene, his distance from the subject and whether or not each exposure came out properly. That's what he means by "riding the flash compensation". Bracketing is simply shooting at a few different exposure settings so that hopefully one will be perfect and the others can be discarded. You can bracket the background exposure by tweaking your manual exposure controls, or your flash exposure by changing FEC from shot to shot. You can bracket manually or set the camera/flash up to fire off bracketed exposures automatically.



Regarding exposure and metering, you may find some helpful concepts discussed in this thread - http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=115623
 
Hi, thanks for that again, that makes things a lot clearer and again gives me more to read up on, was starting to work it out as i read on further on the site, so i think reading the site through a few times will help as well.

the other thread you linked to has just destroyed tomorrow for me :D
and probably the best part of the weekend lol. excellent stuff.



What he means is that he used "Through The Lens" (TTL) automatic flash exposure. The flash fires a pre-flash, checks the brightness of the reflected flash light, through the lens, and then decides just how much flash power to output. This is almost instantaneous and fully automatic.

Manual flash is great if you are working at a fixed distance from your subject and can control the lighting environment. But what he was doing when he made that statement is moving about to shoot the couple from different angles and distances, and with the background and other reflective surfaces changing. Basically he had to adjust the strength of the automatic flash, up or down, depending on the exact scene, his distance from the subject and whether or not each exposure came out properly. That's what he means by "riding the flash compensation". Bracketing is simply shooting at a few different exposure settings so that hopefully one will be perfect and the others can be discarded. You can bracket the background exposure by tweaking your manual exposure controls, or your flash exposure by changing FEC from shot to shot. You can bracket manually or set the camera/flash up to fire off bracketed exposures automatically.



Regarding exposure and metering, you may find some helpful concepts discussed in this thread - http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=115623
 
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