I will see if I can sort something out, it is extremely difficult capturing close up shots of these fellas out of the viv and as he says health and safety is a major issue. I know, Im working on the health and safety risk assessmnts again this week:bang:. But you can pop up when I'm there and you will at least have someone to get out any other reptiles you fancy shooting, also, depending on who is there we may b e able to organise some venomous shooting too. I may get some of them out as Ive had some training, but Ive not kept up with it so I would stick to the vipers mainly. I have another tog friend who visits most Saturdays and is one of the most competent venomous handlers I know of who may also help us out. Two handlers is best when shooting.