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:help: Identification required on these two birds if possible I am no expert so I thought I would hand over that task to your Good selves
No1 taken in Spain around Mijas

No2 taken in eygpt

any ideas
 
anyone recomend a good website for bird identification ie like a field guide but on the web
 
Second def looks like a kite with that tail but not sure which one (y)
 
""anyone recomend a good website for bird identification ie like a field guide but on the web""

There a number of useful sites,you could try www.birdforum.net or www.surfbirds.com the later in my opinion being the better one.

You might also want to look at www.southwalesbirding.blogspot.com where there are numerous images to browse by a number of local birders/photographers

#1 Booted eagle,#2 Black kite.
 
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thanks ozzy,mex,and neil great info and have to agree with your ids I would have found it difficult without your help cheers (y)
 
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