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These are going to be part of my 2nd year submission for my City & Guilds course.

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I'm now 3 stone heavier, as I had to eat all the cakes when I had finished (y)!
 
A beautiful set of images! Particularly like 2, 6 & 7.

I may be wrong but this might be in the wrong section, doesn't seem very macro to me :shrug:
 
A beautiful set of images! Particularly like 2, 6 & 7.

I may be wrong but this might be in the wrong section, doesn't seem very macro to me :shrug:

Thanks for the feedback.

I agree, they're not macro, but the section is titled "Macro and Close-Up If it's close-up, in detail, macro or micro, share your photos of it in here", so I guessed this was the best section. Marcel, please can you move if needed?
 
superb set of pictures
I like the lighting, and the pics seems to have that undefinable "oomph" :clap:
be interested to hear the feedback from C&G
 
Oh man, I wasn't hungry, but I am now... Lovely set of shots... I think #3 for me
 
Thanks. I'm on the second year of the two year course. The submission of the photos and course work doesn't have to be done until June, but I will be doing some more pictures to give me a wider range to select from (and more cakes to eat :LOL:). We have to submit a minimum of 10 mounted images. I am very behind on the coursework though :help:. Aparently the Royal Photographic society are meeting this week to evaluate the course to see what combination of credits and distinctions are needed to attain RPS accreditation; I could have LRPS after my name :woot:. I got a distinction for my images and a credit for my course work last year.

Sorry, that sounds like I'm boasting, but I'm not. I'm just pleased with the way I've been able to implement what I've learnt.
 
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Seeing as this is a C&G submission, can you explain the overall theme and the ideas behind each of your shots?
 
Seeing as this is a C&G submission, can you explain the overall theme and the ideas behind each of your shots?

That sounds like an exam question :help:. One of the subject we had learn't about this year was product photography, it was also one of the subjects you could chose for the submission. I had origianlly thought to do beer and had a contact at the Fullers brewery in Chiswick, but that fell through. I was then going to do the sort of shots you might see in a recipe book of a number of differnt dishes. I bought the heart cake on a whim and took a photo of it. One of the people on the course said that as it had turned out so well I should do all cakes. So I found the patisery in Guildford, bought the cakes and then bought the props to go with the cakes. For example, the apple tart looked very earthy, autumnal and rustic, a garden centre near us does pick and mix pot pori which fitted the bill nicely.
 
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That sounds like an exam question :help:.
Well, it sort of was in a way. I know how the C&G courses work (or at least I used and figured there would be more to the images that merely meets the eye.

One of the subject we had learn't about this year was product photography, it was also one of the subjects you could chose for the submission.
So what course/module are you currently doing?

As for the photos themselves, I'm somewhat torn between liking them and not. I'll explain.

#1: I have to say this shot doesn't work for me at all, and it's for a number of reasons. Firstly, I wouldn't know it was a food shot unless you'd specifically told me. I might hazard a guess that the object in the middle was an apple pie of some sorts, but it could equally be a large piece of potpourri or a decorative object. Couple that with the rest of the potpourri and the slightly staid composition and this doesn't feel appetising in the slightest. Food and inedible objects (that aren't a natural part of the presentation or serving of the food item) don't really mix.

#2: Ah, now we're talking. This is more like it. A classic, if slightly clichéd composition, but it works well and it explains more about the food than a simple shot of the cake itself would. We instantly know it's a coffee cream slice and we can gaze longingly at the cake, wondering what it tastes like. There are however a couple of niggles with this one. Mainly it's down to the beans and how you've scattered them. It needs to look more stylishly random than it doe snow, as it feels a little cramped and bunched up in places. And you probably want to avoid having any of the beans actually touching or propped up against the pastry, unless you're covering the whole surface with them.

#3: A nice little advert for Raymond's patisserie, but I'm not convinced with the setting. Putting it on something that looks somewhere between a fabric and a piece of wallpaper doesn't work for me, as it's not its natural home. You would never serve a cake like this so to see it sat there makes me (and maybe it's just me) think something is wrong and it detracts from the subject matter itself. I'd much prefer to see this on a serving plate or a completely neutral background like in #2.

#4: I really like this one but the longer I look at it the more I find my sense of scale drifting. Either the cakes are massive (and that's a GM strawberry) or the teacups and teapot are tiny. However it's a nice little composition and a pleasing photo. Very tasty indeed. My only real thought for improvement would be to have placed the arrangement on the grass for that 'picnic' feel.

#5: I think this is a case of 'right idea, wrong execution' as there's an excellent shot in here waiting to get out. You've got a nice little arrangement of cakes, nicely iced and dressed, but what I'm seeing more of is the cake stand and I really ought to be seeing a lot more of the cakes themselves. It's fine to include the stand in the shot as the cakes need it to be there, but I'd like to see a more overhead view than what we have here and possibly a slightly lighter, more airy setting.

#6: Now this looks like a pistachio cupcake. Yummy. Everything looks good here apart from the unfortunate gaps in the fruit and nut mixture that you've used as your setting. If the whole frame was covered equally this would be virtually perfect.

#7: Pretty much the same comments as before. Although if you're going to submit them both you'd be advised to mix up the composition and focusing a little bit as they're effectively the same shot.

#8: This doesn't work at all for me. The lighting is too harsh and the gold 'things' are an unnecessary distraction from a rather tasty looking square of patisserie. I'm not seeing the correlation between them and the cake, unless you're trying to emulate the shape of the fruit slice on top? Ultimately this would work a lot better if the cake was on something more befitting it rather than in a somewhat abstract arrangement. The photography is also a bit staid as it's just an 'everything in focus' moment without your previous attention to detail and shallow-ish DoF.

#9: I'm not overly keen on the choice of plate, although it does look vaguely French and therefore fits the patisserie theme quite well, but this is more like what you should be doing. The cakes seems so much more at home on a serving plate that you just gloss over that detail and start to concentrate on the cakes themselves. All this needs is a nicer setting, ideally something a lot more airy and flattering, to give it the real food photography sheen it deserves.
 
Well, it sort of was in a way. I know how the C&G courses work (or at least I used and figured there would be more to the images that merely meets the eye.

So what course/module are you currently doing?

As for the photos themselves, I'm somewhat torn between liking them and not. I'll explain.

#1: I have to say this shot doesn't work for me at all, and it's for a number of reasons. Firstly, I wouldn't know it was a food shot unless you'd specifically told me. I might hazard a guess that the object in the middle was an apple pie of some sorts, but it could equally be a large piece of potpourri or a decorative object. Couple that with the rest of the potpourri and the slightly staid composition and this doesn't feel appetising in the slightest. Food and inedible objects (that aren't a natural part of the presentation or serving of the food item) don't really mix.

#2: Ah, now we're talking. This is more like it. A classic, if slightly clichéd composition, but it works well and it explains more about the food than a simple shot of the cake itself would. We instantly know it's a coffee cream slice and we can gaze longingly at the cake, wondering what it tastes like. There are however a couple of niggles with this one. Mainly it's down to the beans and how you've scattered them. It needs to look more stylishly random than it doe snow, as it feels a little cramped and bunched up in places. And you probably want to avoid having any of the beans actually touching or propped up against the pastry, unless you're covering the whole surface with them.

#3: A nice little advert for Raymond's patisserie, but I'm not convinced with the setting. Putting it on something that looks somewhere between a fabric and a piece of wallpaper doesn't work for me, as it's not its natural home. You would never serve a cake like this so to see it sat there makes me (and maybe it's just me) think something is wrong and it detracts from the subject matter itself. I'd much prefer to see this on a serving plate or a completely neutral background like in #2.

#4: I really like this one but the longer I look at it the more I find my sense of scale drifting. Either the cakes are massive (and that's a GM strawberry) or the teacups and teapot are tiny. However it's a nice little composition and a pleasing photo. Very tasty indeed. My only real thought for improvement would be to have placed the arrangement on the grass for that 'picnic' feel.

#5: I think this is a case of 'right idea, wrong execution' as there's an excellent shot in here waiting to get out. You've got a nice little arrangement of cakes, nicely iced and dressed, but what I'm seeing more of is the cake stand and I really ought to be seeing a lot more of the cakes themselves. It's fine to include the stand in the shot as the cakes need it to be there, but I'd like to see a more overhead view than what we have here and possibly a slightly lighter, more airy setting.

#6: Now this looks like a pistachio cupcake. Yummy. Everything looks good here apart from the unfortunate gaps in the fruit and nut mixture that you've used as your setting. If the whole frame was covered equally this would be virtually perfect.

#7: Pretty much the same comments as before. Although if you're going to submit them both you'd be advised to mix up the composition and focusing a little bit as they're effectively the same shot.

#8: This doesn't work at all for me. The lighting is too harsh and the gold 'things' are an unnecessary distraction from a rather tasty looking square of patisserie. I'm not seeing the correlation between them and the cake, unless you're trying to emulate the shape of the fruit slice on top? Ultimately this would work a lot better if the cake was on something more befitting it rather than in a somewhat abstract arrangement. The photography is also a bit staid as it's just an 'everything in focus' moment without your previous attention to detail and shallow-ish DoF.

#9: I'm not overly keen on the choice of plate, although it does look vaguely French and therefore fits the patisserie theme quite well, but this is more like what you should be doing. The cakes seems so much more at home on a serving plate that you just gloss over that detail and start to concentrate on the cakes themselves. All this needs is a nicer setting, ideally something a lot more airy and flattering, to give it the real food photography sheen it deserves.

Sorry, not been in this part of the forum recently, and hadn't realsied you had replied. Thanks for taking the time to provide the detailed critique. I initially thought it was a bit harsh, but thinking about it, I would agree with some of the comments.

#2:Mainly it's down to the beans and how you've scattered them. It needs to look more stylishly random than it doe snow, as it feels a little cramped and bunched up in places. And you probably want to avoid having any of the beans actually touching or propped up against the pastry, unless you're covering the whole surface with them.

This is about attention to detail (not as good at that as I should be) and the one up against the cake does iritate me.

#4: I really like this one but the longer I look at it the more I find my sense of scale drifting. Either the cakes are massive (and that's a GM strawberry) or the teacups and teapot are tiny. However it's a nice little composition and a pleasing photo. Very tasty indeed. My only real thought for improvement would be to have placed the arrangement on the grass for that 'picnic' feel.

Looking at this during the week, I was thinking the same thing about the lack of reference for the size (it is a small china tea set loaned from a friends daughter). I am going to attempt to reshoot today with some toys ala "Toy Story and see if that improves it.

#8: This doesn't work at all for me. The lighting is too harsh and the gold 'things' are an unnecessary distraction from a rather tasty looking square of patisserie. I'm not seeing the correlation between them and the cake, unless you're trying to emulate the shape of the fruit slice on top? Ultimately this would work a lot better if the cake was on something more befitting it rather than in a somewhat abstract arrangement. The photography is also a bit staid as it's just an 'everything in focus' moment without your previous attention to detail and shallow-ish DoF.

I was definately running out of time, energy and inovation at this point :LOL:

Anyway, I have more cakes and more props so I'll see how I get on today.

The course is the C&G 7511 - level 3 2 year course, but down in Bracknell.
 
Sorry, not been in this part of the forum recently, and hadn't realsied you had replied. Thanks for taking the time to provide the detailed critique. I initially thought it was a bit harsh, but thinking about it, I would agree with some of the comments.
You're perfectly entitled to think I'm being harsh if you so choose. I'm merely being honest instead of dressing it up for you.

This is about attention to detail (not as good at that as I should be) and the one up against the cake does iritate me.
It might well be that nobody else notices and/or it's not really a problem. I just tend to notice these things and find them a distraction.

Looking at this during the week, I was thinking the same thing about the lack of reference for the size (it is a small china tea set loaned from a friends daughter). I am going to attempt to reshoot today with some toys ala "Toy Story and see if that improves it.
Teddy bears picnic perhaps? Stick it on the grass and borrow some cuddly toys?

The course is the C&G 7511 - level 3 2 year course, but down in Bracknell.
Sounds interesting. Seems to be somewhere between the old 6923 and 6924 in terms of content and requisite proficiency.

Are you studying at WHH?
 
You're perfectly entitled to think I'm being harsh if you so choose. I'm merely being honest instead of dressing it up for you.

It might well be that nobody else notices and/or it's not really a problem. I just tend to notice these things and find them a distraction.

Teddy bears picnic perhaps? Stick it on the grass and borrow some cuddly toys?

Sounds interesting. Seems to be somewhere between the old 6923 and 6924 in terms of content and requisite proficiency.

Are you studying at WHH?


Glitch, please please don't get me wrong. I am really grateful and surprised that you spent so much time giving such detailed feedback. I was initially just surprised at the honesty of it, but having reread your comments, a lot of them are very accurate and I'll definately try and bear your comments in mind when I do the photography today. Everyone else who have looked at them have just said how appetising the cakes are.

You are 100% right about the positioning of the course. It was the first course which C&G did which was orintated towards Digital rather than "wet" photography and printing. Having said that, The wet darkroom sessions have been some of the most enjoyable. There's nothing like seeing the picture appear at about 30 seconds in the developer.

I'm actually doing it at Bracknell and Wokingham College. We learnt a lot in year one, but there's a general feeling in the group that year two is a bit lacking, but I'm not sure if that is due to the course itself, or how the college have implemented it.

Year one
Year two
 
Glitch, please please don't get me wrong. I am really grateful and surprised that you spent so much time giving such detailed feedback. I was initially just surprised at the honesty of it, but having reread your comments, a lot of them are very accurate and I'll definately try and bear your comments in mind when I do the photography today. Everyone else who have looked at them have just said how appetising the cakes are.
I think we're talking at cross purposes here. I only really comment on stuff that I feel qualified to or have enough of an interest to provide an objective view, and when I do I try to give as much detail as possible.

When I said that you were perfectly entitled to think I was being harsh, it was more along the lines saying that you are entitled to have your opinion of my opinion as much as I'm entitled to have an opinion of your work, and not that I couldn't care less what you thought.

I like this sort of photography and I want to see you succeed!

You are 100% right about the positioning of the course. It was the first course which C&G did which was orintated towards Digital rather than "wet" photography and printing. Having said that, The wet darkroom sessions have been some of the most enjoyable. There's nothing like seeing the picture appear at about 30 seconds in the developer.
So what made you pick this one? Or are they phasing out the 692s?

I'm actually doing it at Bracknell and Wokingham College. We learnt a lot in year one, but there's a general feeling in the group that year two is a bit lacking, but I'm not sure if that is due to the course itself, or how the college have implemented it.
Sounds familiar...

Ah, it is still at Woodley Hill House then. Are you in the modern classroom or the drafty one with the blue door?
 
I think we're talking at cross purposes here. I only really comment on stuff that I feel qualified to or have enough of an interest to provide an objective view, and when I do I try to give as much detail as possible.

When I said that you were perfectly entitled to think I was being harsh, it was more along the lines saying that you are entitled to have your opinion of my opinion as much as I'm entitled to have an opinion of your work, and not that I couldn't care less what you thought.

I like this sort of photography and I want to see you succeed!

So what made you pick this one? Or are they phasing out the 692s?

Sounds familiar...

Ah, it is still at Woodley Hill House then. Are you in the modern classroom or the drafty one with the blue door?

Yes, at some point the 692's will go, but I'm not sure when. Having purchased the DSLR, I wanted a digitally oriented course. I also wanted to go further than an A level, but not as far as an HNC/degree, although my sister is doing an HNC, and it looks quite interesting.

Our class room is the more modern "hut" a round the side. The one with the large darkroom attached. Do you live locally to it then?

Another problem with the course, was that our first year lecturer retired, so we had a different one for the second year. Although we have all got used to and like the new guy, it obviously took a few sessions to get used to his teaching style, whereas if we'd had the original guy, we could have just started where we left off.

Do you do food photography for a living?
 
Yes, at some point the 692's will go, but I'm not sure when. Having purchased the DSLR, I wanted a digitally oriented course. I also wanted to go further than an A level, but not as far as an HNC/degree, although my sister is doing an HNC, and it looks quite interesting.
That was my gripe with the 692s. Literally no interest in digital technology up until a few years ago when C&G finally recognised they did exist.

Our class room is the more modern "hut" a round the side. The one with the large darkroom attached. Do you live locally to it then?
Local-ish. But I've been there on a few occasions and know the facilities quite well. I think I was one of the first to see the 'new' darkroom.

Another problem with the course, was that our first year lecturer retired, so we had a different one for the second year. Although we have all got used to and like the new guy, it obviously took a few sessions to get used to his teaching style, whereas if we'd had the original guy, we could have just started where we left off.
That wasn't Dave M, was it?

Do you do food photography for a living?
Strictly amateur at present as I'm nowhere near good enough, but the intention is to go professional at some point.
 
That wasn't Dave M, was it?

Yep. We tried everything to get him to stay for one more year; from bribery and corruption down to pulling on his consience for leaving us in the lurch but his mind was made up. It was a real shame; he had a lovely relaxed approach, but had spent years in the industry doing exactly what I'm trying do do here.
 
Hah, he's a legend. I've never know him to be able to explain anything without going off onto a tangent.

I only wish there were more people like him teaching photography. Some of the other lecturers would have put even the most dedicated amateur off for life.
 
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