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Due to the increasing number of members who are charging and profiting from studio meets days, we have decided to introduce a new sub-forum for Studio Meets.

The criteria for this forum is that anyone who stands to make a profit from such a thread will have to pay to post it here.
We will moderate each thread, so if you're not sure, post it and we'll look at it for you.

If youre a studio owner or a model and wish to promote a photography day, please use the Contact Us function and we'll discuss it with you.

Please note, any studio found using a member's account to promote their studio will have their thread removed and account possibly suspended.
 
What do you class as a studio meet? I don't own a studio but would like to make people aware of photo days that my husband and are organising - does the rule still apply?

BTW, I did try using the Contact US as requested but so far no one has gotten back to me :(
 
I'm guessing the question will be "are you profiting from organising these events?" and if so I believe the answer will be a big fat no, which is a shame.

Personally, I feel we should be allowed to tell members about good value days we arrange, regardless of whether we are making a little profit or not. I often arrange days for the local club I run that I'd love to tell TP members about. Do I get rich on them? No!! Often the models actually walk away with more than I make and I can almost always actually make more in an hours Family shoot than I could on a days group shoot. Obviously if we're talking about a day that costs £100+ each and there's eight delegates when in reality model costs are anywhere from £150-£300 a day then it's probably taking the proverbial yellow stuff to expect to advertise for free. When your talking about a day that costs £40-45 each then you can do the maths yourself and see that nobodies getting rich off of the back of the forum (and that's IF the day sells out!!)

I think it's a shame a little common sense can't be employed here as I'd often like to offer a slightly discounted rate to TP'ers on days which I'm struggling to sell out but know that it would get turned down.

But "them's the rules" as they say!!
 
I'm guessing the question will be "are you profiting from organising these events?" and if so I believe the answer will be a big fat no, which is a shame.

Personally, I feel we should be allowed to tell members about good value days we arrange, regardless of whether we are making a little profit or not. I often arrange days for the local club I run that I'd love to tell TP members about. Do I get rich on them? No!! Often the models actually walk away with more than I make and I can almost always actually make more in an hours Family shoot than I could on a days group shoot. Obviously if we're talking about a day that costs £100+ each and there's eight delegates when in reality model costs are anywhere from £150-£300 a day then it's probably taking the proverbial yellow stuff to expect to advertise for free. When your talking about a day that costs £40-45 each then you can do the maths yourself and see that nobodies getting rich off of the back of the forum (and that's IF the day sells out!!)

I think it's a shame a little common sense can't be employed here as I'd often like to offer a slightly discounted rate to TP'ers on days which I'm struggling to sell out but know that it would get turned down.

But "them's the rules" as they say!!

Have you actually approached the team with a view to advertising? If not then how do you know it's a no, I suspect it would only be a no if your not willing to pay to advertise
 
Have you actually approached the team with a view to advertising? If not then how do you know it's a no, I suspect it would only be a no if your not willing to pay to advertise

I did previously. Your last point is exactly my point though. Let's say I'm selling a studio day for £60 a pop. I'd love to be able to offer TP members the chance to come along for say £40 instead. This is the kind if thing that happened previously on this forum and the main reason I, and I'm sure many others, got into studio work in the first place. However, nice as it would be to do so, would I be willing to offer that same offer to forum members PLUS pay to advertise ?? Why on earth would I? Let's be clear here, I'm not talking about turning over the same kind of profit as Digitalrev or Phototraining4U. So why should I pay the same advertising fee as them when I'm trying to give something back to the forum by in effect NOT turning over a profit on their places?? Maybe I have it all wrong and I'm looking at it from the wrong point of view.

Just my thoughts.

Dean
 
if you say you are not profiting from this (I'm not saying you are or are not ) £40 a member for a day is a lot of money lets say times by ten people a model and electricity does not cost as much as that for a full day f you was to say £200 for full day including a model , tea and coffee that to me sounds more like something that is not making a profit but helping members out


please note i don not in anyway know the full cost for a meet in a proper studio so only going of what i know


please note I'm only going what i use to pay for a studio time £20 for half a day plus model if needed and the £20 was to cover electric costs
 
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isn't "i'd love to offer members a discount on workshops i'm struggling to sell out" another way of saying "i'd love to use TP for free advertising in order to fill workshops which would otherwise not book up ?

Strikes me that you are the one benefiting most from that not the forum - and as to why you would do that even if you had to pay to advertise, the answer is answered in the point above - because you are struggling to fill the spaces. Supply and demand suggests that when supply exceeds demand the price should come down!
 
Just spotted these two messages....

Ok firstly I would never hold a studio day with any more than 8 togs. Any more than that and they get no time at all with the model. The example I gave above was a Tina Kay shoot I arranged with Tina and another model, Jessica-Lee. Total cost for models = £380 inc travel ( and only because Jess is a personal friend who wanted to work with Tina so charged less than normal. I had 4 people signed up already at £60 a pop. (That's £240) but was struggling to get any further on. I would have liked to offer TP members the op to shoot for a discounted rate but couldn't. Yes it would have benefitted me SOMEWHAT in that I wouldn't have been out of pocket however I wouldn't have been getting rich out of it!!

And seriously, £20 for a half days studio rental??? I'd love to know where you could rent a PROPER studio (not just a converted garage) with multiple studios and sets for £20! Most studios charge more than that per hour.

I can however see I'm not going to win this argument as I've turned into the "big bad moneymaking machine" somehow in everyone's eyes so I'll step away from it.

Trust me when I say there really isn't an awful lot of money to be made on group shoots. I could easily make more from a one hour family shoot but I enjoy hosting them.

It does sadden me though that this used to happen and doesn't any more. I went to two studio days in Milton Keynes, a workshop in Colchester and a large group shoot somewhere where I can't remember through this forum and met a lot of people through them who inspired me to get to where I am now (so not that far then!) it would be nice to be able to do something similar but there you go.
 
It does sadden me though that this used to happen and doesn't any more. I went to two studio days in Milton Keynes, a workshop in Colchester and a large group shoot somewhere where I can't remember through this forum and met a lot of people through them who inspired me to get to where I am now (so not that far then!) it would be nice to be able to do something similar but there you go.

so do something similar but only charge enough to cover costs - then you won't be making money , and you won't have to pay to advertise it - and it will be just like any other TP meet. Simples

or alternately just run charging workshops and pay TP to advertise them - equally simples
 
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Just spotted these two messages....

Ok firstly I would never hold a studio day with any more than 8 togs. Any more than that and they get no time at all with the model. The example I gave above was a Tina Kay shoot I arranged with Tina and another model, Jessica-Lee. Total cost for models = £380 inc travel ( and only because Jess is a personal friend who wanted to work with Tina so charged less than normal. I had 4 people signed up already at £60 a pop. (That's £240) but was struggling to get any further on. I would have liked to offer TP members the op to shoot for a discounted rate but couldn't. Yes it would have benefitted me SOMEWHAT in that I wouldn't have been out of pocket however I wouldn't have been getting rich out of it!!

And seriously, £20 for a half days studio rental??? I'd love to know where you could rent a PROPER studio (not just a converted garage) with multiple studios and sets for £20! Most studios charge more than that per hour.

I can however see I'm not going to win this argument as I've turned into the "big bad moneymaking machine" somehow in everyone's eyes so I'll step away from it.

Trust me when I say there really isn't an awful lot of money to be made on group shoots. I could easily make more from a one hour family shoot but I enjoy hosting them.

It does sadden me though that this used to happen and doesn't any more. I went to two studio days in Milton Keynes, a workshop in Colchester and a large group shoot somewhere where I can't remember through this forum and met a lot of people through them who inspired me to get to where I am now (so not that far then!) it would be nice to be able to do something similar but there you go.

well I'm not sure on model cost but I'm sure if you go on model mayhem i think it is called or pure storm you could probably get a model for time for print with out costing you £380 you don't need a stunning model to have fun and get some good pics there is plenty of lovely lades that will do it for a lot less money

second of all the place I'm talking about is a club fair point it is a club but they do ave top quality Bowens gear multiple backgrounds multiple props and when they sit and work out heating cost etc is about £20 for half day session

because it is not run as a business they can charge this this is the point I'm getting at if it was cost only why would you be charging £60 a head you can get a model for a lot less money and people would be more willing to sign up from here and you would not occur any costs for advertising
 
well I'm not sure on model cost but I'm sure if you go on model mayhem i think it is called or pure storm you could probably get a model for time for print with out costing you £380 you don't need a stunning model to have fun and get some good pics there is plenty of lovely lades that will do it for a lot less money

Generally a model who is willing to do TF for a group shoot is worlds apart from a model like Tina Kay! I wouldn't unleash a TF model on a fully paid group shoot like this due to the fact that you have various comitancies that attend these shoots but if I did (and charged £20 a head) would that not be worse using the forums new logic as that would be pure profit wouldn't it?

I do host a club night every month that has TF (or mates rates) models and only charge £10 for that. But when I approached the forum about that before I was given my marching orders!!
 
I do host a club night every month that has TF (or mates rates) models and only charge £10 for that. But when I approached the forum about that before I was given my marching orders!!

did you approach admin and ask first ?
 
At the time I didn't realise it was an issue because it never had been. The first I knew was when I saw my post had been removed. I didn't get a message to say why but had a look and saw.

I should mention that I do understand admins standpoint here. Some people were doing well out of the forum profit wise and I get that.

However, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that this section is pretty barron right now and why. Surley there could be a mean ground?? An acknowledgement that arranging these days dies take time and effort and maybe that is worth that person getting SOMETHING for but also an acknowledgement from that person that they shouldn't take the proverbial yellow stuff?

Organiser wins, TP members win by getting cheap shoots as well as getting to socialise and network. Again, just my thoughts :)
 
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