My camera is a POS (apparently)

I know :)

In the next few weeks I'll get a LX7, but I own that monster combo on the end and it is a little weighty!
 
dalegt4 said:
to be frankly honest i couldnt give a monkey about owning a ff camera, i must be bottom of the barrell trash in that case as my camera is a 1100d...
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No, that will be me with my 2x crop mega POS micro four thirds gear.

Stop typing on this forum and go out and take some pictures the lot of ya :D

The best camera is the one you have with you :thumbs:
 
Cagey75 said:
FF doesn't have to be expensive. Ever hear of a 5D mkI?
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+1


straycat said:
50 has to be 50 to me so does 24 have to be 24
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my favourite lens is actually a 65mm 1.4- but as they don't make that one I have to stick with the 50mm on a 1.3crop
and I like that a lens can serve double (or triple) duty depending on what sensor crop you have it on


I shoot all 3 formats, full frame (1ds2), 1.3 crop (1d3) and 1.6 crop (nikon d300)
so canon and nikon!
oh and an iphone-3gs

all are good in their own way, sometimes the depth of field can be too shallow with full frame, or the lens doesn't focus close- so I have to shoot a little wide and then crop down later in post
I shot 90% of my work with the 1.3 crop, now shooting 1.6 or 1.0 I have to adjust my thinking to get my 'mental framelines' to sit right
shoot one thing and stick with it, or at least understand the purposes of each tool in your arsenal

speaking of arsenal- call of duty, most professional call of duty players use the same weapon for everything, and learn to use it like a machine gun, a sniper rifle and a support weapon, and maybe just maybe use a real specialist tool when the appropriate time comes- the worst players in the game are the ones who constantly change weapon looking for some kind of competitive advantage
 
People take photographs, not cameras.

I'm not sure I've ever seen any elitism on here regarding FF cameras either.
 
bl0at3r said:
No, that will be me with my 2x crop mega POS micro four thirds gear.

Stop typing on this forum and go out and take some pictures the lot of ya :D

The best camera is the one you have with you :thumbs:
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Haha!

i love my 1100d , off out on a job tomorrow to do a christening .


been too rough today to take photos! ha :-D
 
Slaphead said:
It's not a case of full frame being better than crop frame. It's a case of picking the right tool for the right job.
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I have had my crop sensor for two years and have pushed it to the limit, I have just placed an order for a D800 because I truly believe that is the tool for the job, especially with it being weather sealed when out and about around Snowdonia, I fully intend to keep both FF and crop sensor cameras
 
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i agree, people take shots, not cameras.

We always say this when we go racing, just because you turn up in a Mclaren, doesnt mean you can drive like Button, same goes with cameras
 
artyman said:
It's a bit like Ferrari and Lambo drivers looking down on Audi's & Mercedes, I wouldn't worry about it. Probbaly a case of "All the gear and no idea" a lot of the time. :D

I could go and buy a FF tomorrow, the Ferrari might be a bit more of a challenge, but I have no desire for either to be honest.
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Whereas us Vauxhall/Ford/Peugeot drivers have got our heads screwed on right for not paying all that extra for 4 rings, or a funnily little statue on our bonnets ;)
(joke btw but I drive a vauxhall 4x4 but when it came to shelling the extra out for a landrover I didn't feel it offered more for MY needs even though I could afford it)

Sorry to admit this but I ignore all the crop or FF threads now, different strokes and the like. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that not everyone needs the biggest, fastest, 'better' kit, it may not be what suits them (I won't let my husband upgrade from his xxxD line camera yet :D )
 
I don't know about being elitist but I dare say FF owners are enthused about there camera.

To be fair though, why wouldn't they be????

I remember that first time unboxing my D700 and drooling over the build and being blown away the first time I looked through that massive viewfinder. Everything about it felt miles ahead of the D7000 it replaced.

There is nothing wrong at all with shooting with a crop, I bought a D300 not that long ago myself. However, it is rarely used while my D700 gets used almost every day.

The step up from a basic level cropper is huge in terms of the difference in image quality, build, controls and just the sheer enjoyment in using them, not such a big leap from the higher end crop camera's though.

Can you take fantastic images with a cheap camera, absolutely but it is easier with a higher end camera to do so and for me as a non professional the enjoyment of using a higher end camera was well worth the cost difference alone.

I don't believe for a minute than any full frame shooter feels elitist because of the gear that they own especially when you consider what a real photographer can do with very basic gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX76k-chflo
 
Soda Farl said:
I don't know about being elitist but I dare say FF owners are enthused about there camera.

To be fair though, why wouldn't they be????
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Because they're tools to do a job with.

Soda Farl said:
I remember that first time unboxing my D700 and drooling over the build and being blown away the first time I looked through that massive viewfinder. Everything about it felt miles ahead of the D7000 it replaced.
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It's this pointless fawning over gear that makes people think they need to upgrade. Effectively, all you're doing here is trying to show off really isn't it? All the reasons you're saying it's better are not even anything much to do with being FF.. with the exception of viewfinder image size you're going on about build quality.... well, the D300 is beautifully built, and so is the D2x... so basically, why bother coming into this thread and banging on about how great your FF camera is?

Soda Farl said:
There is nothing wrong at all with shooting with a crop, I bought a D300 not that long ago myself. However, it is rarely used while my D700 gets used almost every day.
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Even here... you say there is nothing wrong with shooting a crop sensor... but just can't resist finishing the sentence with telling us it is never used any more... because you use the much superior FF camera instead.



Soda Farl said:
Can you take fantastic images with a cheap camera, absolutely but it is easier with a higher end camera to do so and for me as a non professional the enjoyment of using a higher end camera was well worth the cost difference alone.
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Well.. as a professional, I'd say it makes little practical difference. I use what's appropriate for the job. If it's a light, smaller camera that's needed then a crop sensor camera may well be what I'd use. I really don't see how a higher end camera makes anything easier. With the exception of a larger viewfinder image, how does using a D700 become easier than with a D7000? I'd even argue that the smaller viewfinder image isn't really that much of a handicap.

Soda Farl said:
I don't believe for a minute than any full frame shooter feels elitist because of the gear that they own especially when you consider what a real photographer can do with very basic gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX76k-chflo
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Then why is your post basically informing us A) How brilliant, and how proud you are of your FF gear, and B) How you never actually use your crop sensor camera any more, and furthermore, C) that it's easier to shoot with a FF camera than a crop sensor camera?

I think you need to re-read what you wrote in the context of someone feeling like they need to upgrade because of all the FF willy waving that's going on :) ...maybe then you'll see why people are feeling like this.
 
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David, I suspect that came across a lot harsher than I think it was written, you may want to re-read yours too as that looked like a bit of an attack to me, not really the place as this (at least in the OP) is a really lighthearted and sarcastic thread :)
 
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Not an attack.. just plain speaking. I'll change nothing thanks.

All this stupid one-upmanship is laughable.
 
Be honest until recently most went FF because they could not afford a cropped 1D IV. :)
 
Soda Farl said:
.....Can you take fantastic images with a cheap camera, absolutely but it is easier with a higher end camera to do so and for me as a non professional the enjoyment of using a higher end camera was well worth the cost difference alone....
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Cost is relative and i suppose this is what determines to many, whether the upgrade to FF is worth it.

I agree that good photographers can use cheap camera and produce good results but again, cheap is relative; cheap to me is £100-£200, something like a used D70 which in all intents and purposes, isn't that far removed from my D7000. Cheap to other people might be a D600 compared to a D4....

I wouldn't say high-end equates to an easier way to fantastic images - you still have to be a good photographer regardless and to be honest, the tech on low-end cameras these days is closer to the top models than ever before, and in some cases, it exceeds it.... it would be interesting to see if some FF users would be as quick to make the changes now as they were several years ago when crop camera tech wasn't as impressive.
 
specialman said:
I wouldn't say high-end equates to an easier way to fantastic images - you still have to be a good photographer regardless and to be honest, the tech on low-end cameras these days is closer to the top models than ever before, and in some cases, it exceeds it.... it would be interesting to see if some FF users would be as quick to make the changes now as they were several years ago when crop camera tech wasn't as impressive.
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Exactly.
 
Pookeyhead said:
Because they're tools to do a job with.



It's this pointless fawning over gear that makes people think they need to upgrade. Effectively, all you're doing here is trying to show off really isn't it? All the reasons you're saying it's better are not even anything much to do with being FF.. with the exception of viewfinder image size you're going on about build quality.... well, the D300 is beautifully built, and so is the D2x... so basically, why bother coming into this thread and banging on about how great your FF camera is?



Even here... you say there is nothing wrong with shooting a crop sensor... but just can't resist finishing the sentence with telling us it is never used any more... because you use the much superior FF camera instead.





Well.. as a professional, I'd say it makes little practical difference. I use what's appropriate for the job. If it's a light, smaller camera that's needed then a crop sensor camera may well be what I'd use. I really don't see how a higher end camera makes anything easier. With the exception of a larger viewfinder image, how does using a D700 become easier than with a D7000? I'd even argue that the smaller viewfinder image isn't really that much of a handicap.



Then why is your post basically informing us A) How brilliant, and how proud you are of your FF gear, and B) How you never actually use your crop sensor camera any more, and furthermore, C) that it's easier to shoot with a FF camera than a crop sensor camera?

I think you need to re-read what you wrote in the context of someone feeling like they need to upgrade because of all the FF willy waving that's going on :) ...maybe then you'll see why people are feeling like this.
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Lolzz..... roflcopter etc.
 
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Oh well... at least it amused you :)
 
Feel a bit better now knowing my humble camera shares the same battery as a certain FF body which is only slightly less legendary than excalibur, I suspect it was extracted from the very same stone

Yes this was meant as a light hearted comment on the recent FF clamour, but it is slightly worrying that some especially newcomers could be put off thinking you need to spend thousands before producing a decent photo (everyone knows you only really need white lenses or ones with a red ring for that)
 
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tijuana taxi said:
Feel a bit better now knowing my humble camera shares the same battery as a certain FF body which is only slightly less legendary than excalibur, I suspect it was extracted from the very same stone

Yes this was meant as a light hearted comment on the recent FF clamour, but it is slightly worrying that some especially newcomers could be put off thinking you need to spend thousands before producing a decent photo (everyone knows you only really need white lenses or ones with a red ring for that)
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Which was my worry. I'll wager the majority of casual readers of this forum (the vast majority not even being registered) come here to read advice as beginners.

I hate gear snobbery.
 
you can still get the same shots, whether full frame or not.... whats a step or two???

its the photographer that makes a photo, i've seen good and bad photos from full frames, just as i have from crop cameras

i was happy with my 1000d canon, and even happier with my 650d canon... maybe down the line i'l get a full frame? hard to justify costs over my needs....

i just enjoy taking photographs and cant be bothered to listen to anyone puting anyone down above what they do or dont have....
 
A lot of pros (and amateurs) look down on people for no other reason than rubbish photography. Then there's those that look down on amateurs (and pros for that matter) because they don't like or get their style.
 
everyone starts somewhere!!


even the so called 'pros' once upon a time where probably awful at taking photos, before they learned their craft...

life is a learning curve...

photography is just as curvy lol
 
decigallen said:
A lot of pros (and amateurs) look down on people for no other reason than rubbish photography. Then there's those that look down on amateurs (and pros for that matter) because they don't like or get their style.
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That's not really what this thread is about though. If done sensitively, what you are talking about is critique, as critting someone's work shouldn't JUST be on technical merit alone.

Disparaging comments about someone's work because it was shot on cheap equipment is just ridiculous, and fortunately, not something I've ever seen on here.
 
Oh dear... an internet forum thread has changed topic 3 pages in... hold the front page :)
 
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