plea to end 'hostile' public searches

Be interesting to see how things proceed if I ever get stopped whilst taking photographs, as I never carry any form of ID on me. And I am more than capable of providing false details that are genuine, if that makes sense. I.e. details that would check out as genuine, but have absolutely no relation to me.

Would that be enough to please an enquiring constable? And if I really was a terrorist, how would he know?
 
Be interesting to see how things proceed if I ever get stopped whilst taking photographs, as I never carry any form of ID on me. And I am more than capable of providing false details that are genuine, if that makes sense. I.e. details that would check out as genuine, but have absolutely no relation to me.

Would that be enough to please an enquiring constable? And if I really was a terrorist, how would he know?
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I too never carry and form of ID, so would be in the same boat, just give them any old story, they never going to check anyway.

To be more than honest, I just don't understand all the fuss about so called terrorists, they are not really a problem to the lives and infrastructure of Britain

Now snow and cold weather, that's the really problem to our transport system it's will stop every plane taking off, stop every train and car running, and make it slippery when going to the pub.
 
I think I'd be as cooperative as possible to resume what I was doing as quick as possible. I'd show my ID (press card). Obviously if the person that had stopped me started to restricted me by saying I had to stop what I was doing then I'd get a bit incy. I don't think I'd refuse to show my ID, right or wrong, it would just keep you there longer than you needed to be.
 
That about sums it up Natjag. DO what is asked whilst somebody tries to produce the figures showing how many photographers have been arrested on suspicion of being a terrorist.

In the end, personally I don't give a **** if other photographers think refusing to show ID is the way forward. I take photographs because it's what I want to do and I will deal with police the way I feel works for me so that I can continue to do what I want to be doing.

And eveyone else should do the same and stop complaining abouit the outcome. MAke a choice and stick with it but don't cry when it goes wrong.
 
Why do people refuse to show ID? I think that counts as being antagonistic in itself
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Because we live in a country that values democracy and it is the state that has to provide proof that you are guilty of an offence, not the Citizen to prove they are innocent.

To go down the latter route is to live in a society where the sectet police stop you on the street and say in a Heir flick voice 'Papers Pleez'.

And that my frien is not the society that my and oter peoples fathers and mothers fought and died for in two world wars.

I will respond as I always do when approached by anyone asking what I am doing wth my camera " minding my own business":razz:
 
Holden Caulfield;2182780]Because we live in a country that values democracy and it is the state that has to provide proof that you are guilty of an offence, not the Citizen to prove they are innocent.

To go down the latter route is to live in a society where the sectet police stop you on the street and say in a Heir Flick voice 'Papers Pleez'.

And that my friend is not the society that my and other peoples fathers and mothers fought and died for in two world wars.

I will respond as I always do when approached by anyone asking what I am doing wth my camera " minding my own business":razz:
 
Holden Caulfield said:
To go down the latter route is to live in a society where the sectet police stop you on the street and say in a Heir Flick voice 'Papers Pleez'.

And that my friend is not the society that my and other peoples fathers and mothers fought and died for in two world wars.
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Your are very correct with your statement, unfortunately, there are a few people (terrorists and others) that have spoilt things for the rest of us in England and other countries. I'd much rather show my cooperation (show my ID) in the fight against anti-terrorism so the Policeman that incorrectly stopped me can move on and find the real terrorist threat. Rather than get involved in a heated debate about whether or not I have the right not to show my ID. The world changed on 11 Sept 2001 due to the actions of a few people that had a huge effect on the world. It does seem the terrorist are winning as the heightened and sometimes irrelevant security has caused disruption via their actions by stopping the enjoyment innocent activities such as photography.
 
The thing I don't understand is - what difference does showing them ID make? If you're up to no good, does it state this on your drivers license/passport or other form of ID?

If I was really up to no good, (IE part of a "proper" organised crime ring) surely I'd have access to and use false ID anyway?
 
Simmotino said:
The problem is most of the hostility in recent 'news' stories has come from those being stopped and spitting their dummies out.
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100% agree.

unless you where born yesterday how shocked can you be if it happens?
 
When the law says I have to tell anyone ( including some "security jobsworth" on the street) my name when I have done NOTHING wrong and nobody could possibly have any reason to think so. It will be too late and it'll be time to start a riot. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Sorry.... lapsed into an uncontrollable "Citizen Smith rant" there... that little vein on my neck has started pulsing now...:razz::bang:
 
On the railway we have an ID card scheme which works great. The card contains a photo, name, job title, unique identifying number and a list of the duties that the carrier is competent to perform. the card can be checked by a simple phone call to the issuing database and this is encouraged on every level for anyone to use.

Regardless of your job, you are actively encouraged to check the ID of anyone you work with or encounter on the line, wether they be transport police or top brass gaffers.

As I say, it works well and I wouldn't mind something similar being legislated for nationwide. If the police or anyone asks for your ID, you can ask for theirs without any stigma attached or dummies thrown.
 
Same argument and the same people doing the arguing - I think we all know by now who sits on which side of the fence and why.
This is what? The third or fourth thread concerning this topic?

It's not even a debate as neither side is willing to budge from thier previously-held stance:

Bang-Bang: you're dead; no I'm not; yes you are; no I'm not; yes you are...etc etc etc.
ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Take it to the playground FFS...

Back to the top:
Anyone recognise any of those names that signed the open letter? I read down it twice and no-one stood out for me. Maybe if you showed me some of their images I'd recognise them, but the photographers? Nope...
So a bunch of jobbing togs signs a letter...so what?
If this issue is going to get any legs under it, we'll need some heavy-hitters involved...

I wonder if Joanna Lumley uses a Nikon? :thinking:
 
Arkady said:
Same argument and the same people doing the arguing - I think we all know by now who sits on which side of the fence and why.
This is what? The third or fourth thread concerning this topic?

It's not even a debate as neither side is willing to budge from thier previously-held stance:

Bang-Bang: you're dead; no I'm not; yes you are; no I'm not; yes you are...etc etc etc.
ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Take it to the playground FFS...
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Bloody well said......:thumbs:
 
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