Poll , Would you contribute to the running of T.P

Are you willing to contribute ?

  • No

    Votes: 14 13.6%
  • Yes , More than happy

    Votes: 76 73.8%
  • Not sure if I should

    Votes: 8 7.8%
  • Why , It's allways been free

    Votes: 5 4.9%

  • Total voters
    103
  • Poll closed .
And I would be out of a job :D
Yes its a PITA at times, but we all knew what we were getting into :)
Yes, being a Mod can be a trial at times and rewarding at others...especially when hitting the big red ban button.:cool:;)
Another problem of being a Moderator, is the weighty cross we bear for being perfect.:giggle:
 
e********e charge £15 a year for membership but you don't have to subscribe to get a lot out of it. There are quite a few adverts on there but I don't think they are that intrusive. Even for free members there are instructional articles of a variety of topics, equipment reviews and a forum too. What it doesn't seem to have is a sense of camaraderie and my fear is that regardless of the pay/don't pay argument, if that is lost here then so is this forum. I think discussing whether or not people pay is premature, we proles do not know what is happening behind the scenes and until we do all this discussion is moot.

Would I pay a subscription? I shall answer like a lawyer -- it depends.
On the site you refer to, the emphasis of the membership is more focused on the galleries. The forums used to dominate, but have declined, due in part to the fact that the most active posters were banned for various reasons, or were tired of people not agreeing with their opinions. ;-)
A lot of the camaraderie is hidden, in the form of members DM-ing each other a lot...
Here on TP, the emphasis seems to be far more forum related, with images being less of a priority than discussion. Which is why belong to both sites...
 
Here on TP, the emphasis seems to be far more forum related, with images being less of a priority than discussion. Which is why belong to both sites...
Which IMO is a bit of a shame, that wasn't how or why TP set up for.
But I guess its a sign of the times.
And yes Talk photography was a bit of misnomer back in the day, but it does seem more relevant these days.
 
Which IMO is a bit of a shame, that wasn't how or why TP set up for.
But I guess its a sign of the times.
And yes Talk photography was a bit of misnomer back in the day, but it does seem more relevant these days.
Totally agree, as taking photos sharing and critiquing, discussing them is what it is all about. The image should be the focus of our attention....
 
Which suggests that we need to think about ways of changing the balance back in the right direction, without losing any of the quality of discourse...
 
Totally agree, as taking photos sharing and critiquing, discussing them is what it is all about. The image should be the focus of our attention....

How about it being a platform for example to arrange meet ups, after all photos get taken on those occasions.
Or currently to arrange for members to print a zine and share them amongst all those who are taking part.

Photo sharing and critiquing sounds like the average camera club, less than exciting.
If this site only had that as its focus don't think I would hang about and sure others would depart too.
 
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How about it being a platform for example to arrange meet ups, after all photos get taken on those occasions.
Or currently to arrange for members to print a zine and share it amongst those who are taking part.

Photo sharing and critiquing sounds like the average camera club, less than exciting.
If this site only had that as its focus don't think I would hang about and sure others would depart too.
I wasn't suggesting the site becomes focused entirely on this one aspect of photography, merely pointing out, as I said in an earlier post, that sharing and discussing actual photos has taken a back seat to discussing everything else photographic.
I agree that any site that only had sharing and critiquing would be more boring than even the worst camera club... ;)
 
The f&c crowd did (pre-covid) organise occasional togging outings, and hopefully will resume this post-covid. There's no reason why similar could not be organised by other people for non-film sessions, even informal workshops with people who know a location particularly well or would like a gathering of people to try a new genre with. It's all there just needing someone to take a lead in organising.
 
The f&c crowd did (pre-covid) organise occasional togging outings, and hopefully will resume this post-covid. There's no reason why similar could not be organised by other people for non-film sessions, even informal workshops with people who know a location particularly well or would like a gathering of people to try a new genre with. It's all there just needing someone to take a lead in organising.

I was saying that's what TP is good for apart from photo sharing
Started a few meet up threads myself, had a couple of nice London wanders.
Covid put paid to the third planned meet up, maybe try again later this year.
Nearly forgot nice meets in Cambridge and the Peak District too.
 
How about it being a platform for example to arrange meet ups, after all photos get taken on those occasions.
Yep me also, yearly nutters meets at Whipsnade its high in the Chilterns and gets bloody cold in the winter, hence nutters meet.
They were usually well attended too ..

For those that don't know, there is a "meeting place" forum, but its not been used very much recently ( obviously)
Maybe once we are allowed we could all make more use of it. (y)
 
I definitely want to do more of this (film and digital) after we get released from self-imposed purdah. Especially after I finish work type stuff later in the year. I much prefer winter shooting anyway.
 
It does also permit expression of interesting points of view, but one gets the feeling some practically live in there (and I'm not just talking about the non-toggers) but there is much so baiting that goes on (from those that do know better too) I wonder if closing it might be a good move.

The past few years have been particularly “interesting” because of Brexit, Trump & COVID and a few other things.

There have a few a members members with genuine expertise* about Viruses etc which I think has been helpful to at least a few of them, myself included.

In a slightly different way I have found enlightenment on why some people who are IMNSVHO profoundly wrong on Brexit/Trump/etc — actually Trump may have been a unifying force here :) — and I have found some of those people have genuine photographic skills and are helpful to others, despite being IMNSVHO årśhœłëß ;)

Even the Mods seem to have few ... very few ... good points :) :exit:

*Even though one of them sometimes gets a bit understandably ratty and banned — which in itself is educational, or should be,no name :).
 
As hot topics seems to have become a hot topic on the future of this forum.

I like the hot topics forum. It has nothing like the amount of vitriol you find in other places like Twitter or say the BBC news site forums. At least that's how it seems to me. I rarely read either platform, but have been rather appalled on the occasions that I have

In contrast to these other platforms I've learned a lot through Hot Topics.

Because of Hot Topics I've followed up links and read things I would have never read, I've heard views from people with obviously very different life experiences and backgrounds to my own, that I would never have heard and I have benefitted from the views of individuals with specialist expertise very different to my own.

I read HT because I come to the forum to read the photography content. HT is a useful bonus that I skim through regularly and I am probably a regular, but not obsessive contributor.

I interact with some members in the photographic sub-forums, as well as the hot topic sub-forum, so it "feels" more like a discussion amongst friends than the discussions I have read in other places, and that's why I contribute to it. It's easy enough to ignore if you are only interested in the photography topics on the forum. At least it is for members, not so much for moderators.

On the down side, it does lose it's way on occasions, and it seems all to easy for reasoned discussion to give way to irrational rants or antagonistic postings that can trigger aggressive responses. But by the nature of HT, people are discussing important subjects that they feel deeply about and some posts are hard for people to ignore or "just let go" even after its' obvious the time for reasoned argument has long since past. The aim of much reasoned argument (particularly in Internet forums) is not to change other peoples opinion but to explain, rationalise and test your own.

I have the benefit (or maybe dis-benefit) of being used to *academic argument*, where I can be detached from the topic under discussion, or indeed switch sides when it seems important to counter views being presented by an over confident student. Additionally, I'm a pretty easy going and tolerant, but even I can be triggered into wanting to write a less than helpful, or pointless, response. This seems to be part of human nature.

But I never send these posts (at least I don't think I do) and I delete far more posts than I send, even if I've spent some considerable time writing them. And it’s the time writing and researching posts for HT that is the down side for me.

I think it would be shame to lose it, but I don't think it's fair to put the burden of managing what can be a difficult forum onto the moderators, and that contributors to HT need to be more self critical of what and when they post.



*Although academics (and my experience is largely in the sciences) are passionate and emotionally committed to their subject, this doesn't extend to their opinions about the subject, which should remain detached and objective. As an academic you can't afford to become emotionally attached to your opinions because you know that as evidence changes, your opinions will need to change as well. Some opinions have stood up well to the test of time, but most are rather short lived.

I do so agree with ths and I have posted similar thoughts just now but, as usual, Graham @myotis has put it better ... or at least longer ;) :exit:
 

Yes I originally just used to donate a little to the Guardian even though it all free and then became a subscriber because I think it’s a worthwhile ‘cause’.

I also donate around $4 monthly to an entirely free photography related blog that the author relies on for income for much the same reason — I think I chose the amount guessing at what I used to pay for camera or computer magazines years ago, which mostly had very little enlightening content.
 

And from that link:
The company said revenues at Guardian US and Guardian Australia have increased substantially, with both outlets considered to be financially sustainable

I know some of you here don’t like The Grauniad but at least it may help getting back a little of the respect we’ve lost in other countries and increase our influence :).
 
That's because I have so many more valuable and interesting things to say than you do ;-)
Touche' old chap Touche' (y)
 
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