Silly question, replica weapons...

[Daryl]

Agreed that no one should use a main line or still in use track. But the shots you showed . I have to disagree.

with all the permissions in place and a crew preped and in the know of health n safety. and premits in place.

I would shoot a job near a Volcanoe if was needed.

I dont look at the British public and think they will go copy it and check everything out.

As I said before, if they are stupid enoughto do it.....

 

[PerfectSpeed]

Don't worry, this railway has been abandoned for about 20+ years. I would never use a live railway.

Then again, none of this matters anyway. I just went to the location to see what had changed, and well... It's disappeared. They must have got rid of everything, all the track has been dug up by the look of it, the impressive old, rusting 'architecture' is gone, all the scrap metal and such on the floor is gone. A real disappointment, but i'm sure a relief for people here.

Personally speaking John I think setting a shoot up in unused otherwise dangerous locations with weapons is a good idea.

This is called experience, communicating with local forces, getting to knowing the laws in force, permissions, permits, health and safety, the list go on and on.

You will get a shoot few would trouble themselves with and first hand knowledge, hell, you could even become a consultant for these types of shoots.

There's some pretty cool films aimed at youth where heroes dive under moving trains, whats that all about.

And as for disclaimers, DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME FOLKS, leave that to the Americans.

 

[desantnik]

Ever so slightly sorta off topic

Picked up these little beauties below. A real genuine brand new Russian AK74 (newer version of AK47) and an RPG. They are going to make great studio props...The gun comes complete with a proper government stamped certificate stating that it has been made safe.

The "AK74" isn't Russian and not an AK74 of any kind... muzzle break, stock, woodwork, magazine... all definitely not AK74 or Russian.

Do some digging around and you'll find out exactly what it is.

The PG-7 round (for that is what it is, its not a "RPG" any more than a round (aka "bullet") is a "Kalashnikov") looks Bulgarian to me - does it have a circle with a number 10 in it? If so, Bulgarian, but I can't remember if that is the same as a Russian PG-7VM round or if they messed with the design itself. Its certainly not the round you will see in "terrorist" videos, they use mainly Chinese or much older Soviet original PG-7V's (different shape of the warhead )

The thing to bear in mind with that round is that its in the condition it would be after leaving the launcher (assuming the protective cap has been removed from the pietzo striker on the nose), ie the booster charge has fired and the impeller on the end is free to start rotation, which will flick out the stabalising fins. It doesn't look like this before its loaded....

Just a few tips for an authentic photoshoot

 

[Deano]

Well the company i purchased the AK74 from have assured me that this is 100% Russian. Very latest model. Even when i went to a separate dealer to buy rounds for the magazine they said 'Aah one of the new Russian AK74's'. I did research AK47's before buying this and there were plenty of chinese ones floating around which i was not keen on the look of.
As for the round, its in great condition with the fins all there (although they are folded up in the pic). Will check the markings when i get home. They are both ideal for what i want them for. I'm not too bothered about all the anorak details as long as they are both real items. I didn't want fake replica things.

 

[desantnik]

Ok, a friend of mine has told me exactly what it is:

That's a civilian model of the Hungarian AMMS called the SA-85, made at the FEG factory, sold in both .223 and 7.62x39.

And judging by the muzzle break and the shape of the mag, its the .223 variant.

There are many, many weapons based on Kalashnikov's designs, not all are equal and definitely not all are Soviet/Russian in origin.

Just because the guys are selling them doesn't mean they know what they are I can assure you!

If you want to see what "one of the new Russian AK74's" looks like google the term AK74M, that is the latest issue battle rifle for Russian soldiers. You'll see it looks quite different to what you have....

 

[Arkady]

Des is quite right...the one you have is a civilianised version sold on the E European market to Hunters...
Here's the real deal - note the distinctive ABS magazine and furniture, flash-eliminator/compensator, fluted gas return and lack of ridges on the stamped upper-reciever...
The 'cheap' wooden furniture is also a dead giveaway...

Still makes a great prop though...

 

[Arkady]

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[DizMatt]

can I suggest a really simple answer to all of this.

find an urban airsoft site which uses a location suitable for you.
then contact the organiser, ask to borrow some kit and go on a gaming day.
then offer to shoot some team shots for them if they want in return.

then you are on VCRA covered land etc during a recognised exercise or skirmish day
however, note that magazines shouldn't be in the 'weapon' in non gaming area...etc. etc etc.

are you over in cardiff? i have a few bits airsoft kit from my games last year but I'm over in the north east

 

[Hawker]

lol I suggested going to an Airsoft site all the way back in post 4 and was soundly ignored

ps, ... and the 2009 award for best "thread drift" goes to desantnik and Arkady

 

[Deano]

Ever so slightly sorta off topic



The "AK74" isn't Russian and not an AK74 of any kind... muzzle break, stock, woodwork, magazine... all definitely not AK74 or Russian.

Do some digging around and you'll find out exactly what it is.

The PG-7 round (for that is what it is, its not a "RPG" any more than a round (aka "bullet") is a "Kalashnikov") looks Bulgarian to me - does it have a circle with a number 10 in it? If so, Bulgarian, but I can't remember if that is the same as a Russian PG-7VM round or if they messed with the design itself. Its certainly not the round you will see in "terrorist" videos, they use mainly Chinese or much older Soviet original PG-7V's (different shape of the warhead )

The thing to bear in mind with that round is that its in the condition it would be after leaving the launcher (assuming the protective cap has been removed from the pietzo striker on the nose), ie the booster charge has fired and the impeller on the end is free to start rotation, which will flick out the stabalising fins. It doesn't look like this before its loaded....

Just a few tips for an authentic photoshoot

Right the RPG style round has a circle with number 11 in it.

 

[andya700]

There was a Militaria fair on at Chatham Dockyard last year, and so I dragged the missus in and had a look around. One stall had a few AK47s and AK74s (later type), and then I saw a quite distinctive longer barrelled rifle hanging up. It was a Dragunov sniper's rifle complete with telescopic sights. I think the guy wanted around £500 for it (They were all de-activated of course). I was surprised just how light it was, and how rough the stock and other woodwork looked. Definitely not something which you would want to be seen walking around the streets with though.

 

[Arkady]

There was a Militaria fair on at Chatham Dockyard last year, and so I dragged the missus in and had a look around. One stall had a few AK47s and AK74s (later type), and then I saw a quite distinctive longer barrelled rifle hanging up. It was a Dragunov sniper's rifle complete with telescopic sights. I think the guy wanted around £500 for it (They were all de-activated of course). I was surprised just how light it was, and how rough the stock and other woodwork looked. Definitely not something which you would want to be seen walking around the streets with though.

...and completely unbalanced compared to a 'proper' sniper rifle...I managed eventually to fire it in the general direction of 'away' when I had the chance to play with one in Bosnia years ago - but there were guys who were bloody deadly with them...just ask the inhabitants of Sarajevo...

 

[desantnik]

Its not a sniper rifle really, which is why it doesn't measure up to a Parker-Hale or similar

As you say though, still deadly...

Oh and Andy, I doubt once again it was a proper Soviet SVD you saw... they are rare beasts in the West. Will have been another Eastern Bloc copy of it, there are/were several.

 

[andya700]

...and completely unbalanced compared to a 'proper' sniper rifle...I managed eventually to fire it in the general direction of 'away' when I had the chance to play with one in Bosnia years ago - but there were guys who were bloody deadly with them...just ask the inhabitants of Sarajevo...

I have yet to find another rifle which had the balance of my old Feinwerkbau 300S which I used for 10 metre shooting back in the eighties. It didn't have the punch or range of a Dragunov though!