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My netbook had a camera that could take still images but I wouldn't call it (the netbook) a real camera.
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Turn your I-Phone into a X1000
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My netbook had a camera that could take still images but I wouldn't call it (the netbook) a real camera.
My netbook had a camera that could take still images but I wouldn't call it (the netbook) a real camera.
I wouldn't call your net book or my iPhone any kind of camera. I'd say they were devices with very real cameras integrated into them.
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Precisely! They are devices with camera functionality not something that can be called a camera on its own despite what some people have said previously.
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Precisely! They are devices with camera functionality not something that can be called a camera on its own despite what some people have said previously.
It must be galling then that people can produce better images than you using their non cameras eh!
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It must be galling then that people can produce better images than you using their non cameras eh!
Yeah it really hurts me and make me think that I wasted all my savings on expensive camera equipment when I could have just got myself a phone
Damn, missed a trick there !
Anyway I'm away to submit my latest getty image which was taken on this beast!
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Ooooo I like that! Seriously though I do think this snobby attitude to taking images with a mobile phone is detrimental to photography in general. What you haughtily sniff at can produce images that are artistic, full of quality and have commercial appeal. Furthermore they bring new people into the photography community and allow those that have what you call a "real" camera to expand and explore their creativity. Many times I am out somewhere and see an opportunity, and I can realise my vision using my mobile phone because I don't have my Nikon with me. Yet people like you and others here dismiss them as "snap shots".
Anything that encourages people to enjoy photography (even using something what you say isn't a real camera) is a good thing. DSLR owning people that look down on fellow photographers and dismiss their photos as snap shots is a very bad thing.
Anything that encourages people to enjoy photography (even using something what you say isn't a real camera) is a good thing. DSLR owning people that look down on fellow photographers and dismiss their photos as snap shots is a very bad thing.
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Woah their young fella! Point to any part of this thread where I have shown snobbery and have looked down on anyone and called phone images snapshots!!!!
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What I have been getting at for the last umpteen posts is that a phone is a phone with a built in camera. It is not a standalone camera as that is not its primary purpose.
Answer this question - when you have your iphone out do you say "I like that, think I will snap that composition on my phone" or do you say "I like that, think I will snap that composition on my camera"?
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Wow, interesting thread - didn't think it would take off like this when I posted the link. Very interesting all the same.
Personally I wouldn't buy one for my iphone, but it just goes to show the ingenuity behind making a buck
On the general discussions in the thread, I think the iphone is a nice easy camera (and I use the word carefully in the context of this thread) to carry around with you.
For anyone doubting it's capability as a real camera that hasn't seen this photo-shoot, then check out the images at the end, think you'll be surprised
http://youtu.be/TOoGjtSy7xY?hd=1
Personally I wouldn't buy one for my iphone, but it just goes to show the ingenuity behind making a buck
On the general discussions in the thread, I think the iphone is a nice easy camera (and I use the word carefully in the context of this thread) to carry around with you.
For anyone doubting it's capability as a real camera that hasn't seen this photo-shoot, then check out the images at the end, think you'll be surprised
http://youtu.be/TOoGjtSy7xY?hd=1
My netbook had a camera that could take still images but I wouldn't call it (the netbook) a real camera.
Precisely! They are devices with camera functionality not something that can be called a camera on its own despite what some people have said previously.
I really cannot recall anyone who denied the iPhone could make calls, send texts, check email etc so as far as I can remember, no-one has called the iphone a 'stand alone' camera.
But that's not a real built in though camera right?
Again, no-one ever denied the iPhone can do other things so don't see what you're getting at.
Also worth pointing out, it's hardly a 'stand-alone' phone either though is it?
Neither, I don't snap on anything you camera snob.
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Fair play, wrong choice of word, replace it with "capture".
I hope your accusation of snob is not in the literal sense and is merely tongue in cheek which isn't being expressed very well.
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Was not the latter as in my example i was hinting at a fleeting moment in which case would quickly grab your "device" and snap the scene before carrying on your way. Not spending loads of time over it.
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In the context of how you ask, I probably don't think either of those things though really.
I pretty much always have a digital camera and a film camera with me - if I'm outside one of them will be in my hand, turned on and ready to shoot - so fleeting moments are more likely to get caught on one of them.
I use my iPhone quite often as an alternative camera, I shoot b&w film and always have my digital camera set to b&w (even though I shoot raw so actually get a colour image, in my heads it's b&w) so will often use the iPhone camera if I think a colour image would be better.
Also, I very rarely use the 'camera' app but rather use the likes of Instagram where I am captioning/tagging and uploading immediately so the iPhone would get used if I see something and think other people would enjoy seeing it, whereas my other cameras are for images that are more personal.
I pretty much always have a digital camera and a film camera with me - if I'm outside one of them will be in my hand, turned on and ready to shoot - so fleeting moments are more likely to get caught on one of them.
I use my iPhone quite often as an alternative camera, I shoot b&w film and always have my digital camera set to b&w (even though I shoot raw so actually get a colour image, in my heads it's b&w) so will often use the iPhone camera if I think a colour image would be better.
Also, I very rarely use the 'camera' app but rather use the likes of Instagram where I am captioning/tagging and uploading immediately so the iPhone would get used if I see something and think other people would enjoy seeing it, whereas my other cameras are for images that are more personal.
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Thats the good thing about camera phones, they are fab for instant sharing and accessibility which I think is the niche of the market they are aimed at.
Like you say the heavy gear is best left for more personal and complex stuff where the extra technology starts to play a huge part.
Hmmm, dunno if I'd quite say that.
My 'heavy gear' is a Fuji X100 and a Konica Hexar and my work often isn't very traditionally photographic so the technology might not make any improvement on my technical image quality but being able to adjust things like aperture, shutter speed and focus sure makes it easier to realise my 'vision', not that such things are not possible with camera phones of course.
Ironically I have had rather heavier 'heavy gear' in the past, in the form of a Nikon D3/24-70mm 2.8/80-200mm 2.8 one touch, all of which went everywhere with me including several trips to Barcelona and Italy. What was I thinking!
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Ah, didn't realise what you were shooting.
I was kind of refering to thing like extended ISO, bracketed shots, increased dynamic range etc etc.
Whats your fuji X100 like as a camera?
The X100 takes quite some getting used to but I love it. Closest I have had to the 'perfect' camera and not much else on the market that'd be any more perfect.
I certainly used to make plenty use of stuff like bracketing and high iso so I know where you are coming from but i wouldn't feel there was a blanket requirement for a camera to have these things to be considered worthwhile.
I certainly used to make plenty use of stuff like bracketing and high iso so I know where you are coming from but i wouldn't feel there was a blanket requirement for a camera to have these things to be considered worthwhile.
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Always like the look of the Fuji.
My shooting style lends itself to requiring these features, but naturally everyone's style and genre differ.
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Just ordered my iPhone 4S as I've been due an upgrade for a while & I'm looking forward to playing around with a few of these photography apps. Well worth it for capturing decent quality & interesting photographs for creating memories! Note → I shan't be considering any of these photographs portfolio worthy nor my actual 'photography' ~ I have a range of SLR's for my photographic purposes after all & I love having full control over my work with manual exposures.
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lol.... exactly the reason my phone battery dwindles rapidly!!