Eye and bill (not you Bill ) look in focus to me Denis - I guess the branch referred to by Phil is in the same plane of focus as the eye.
Russ
looks on the eye to me, (the only thing that is really sharpe),…….. but isn't it more to do with the increased shallowness of DOF at the same aperture with really long lens
Now sure what f-value Denis used…… but depending on the distance I find that even f8 can give a very shallow DOF
Almost Dernis but not quite I am afraid,slight motion blurr on the head
That's cruel Lynne, he did use 1/80th and I bet he "hand held" it
Great shot?...........Nothing cruel about it Bill, a lot of sharp images have been posted at far lower speeds.It is a blurred image imho,what else would you like me to say about it?
Nothing cruel about it Bill, a lot of sharp images have been posted at far lower speeds.It is a blurred image imho,what else would you like me to say about it?
my comments were in #4
Sorry Bill,perhaps I have missed something here, but I fail to see what your point is.
Rich
It is just that we have discussed how to deliver crit recently, as this seemed to be causing problems in the minds of some people ........ I am not one to be "soft" ...... look at the arguments I get into,
but I said in #4
"looks on the eye to me, (the only thing that is really sharpe),…….. but isn't it more to do with the increased shallowness of DOF at the same aperture with really long lens
Not sure what f-value Denis used…… but depending on the distance I find that even f8 can give a very shallow DOF"
By the way I am sure Denis knows all this
I never said the shot was "Good shot" or indeed a "Bad Shot", all I tried to do was to imply what the problems, in my opinion, were
I could have said ...... which means exactly what I said
"The only thing that is in focus is the eye
You have used too slow a shutter speed ........ or maybe you should have used a higher ISO value
If you take a shot from that angle you will always have a problem with DOF especially if you use too wide an f-value, and the longer the lens the worse it will be"
I could also add IMHO and that I often make the above errors
Hope this explains my thought process, and all I said was that I felt one of your points was bit "cruel" as Denis had used 1/80th sec
I quite like the shot, particularly the eye, which I find to be the "soul" of the bird and that is what draws me to the shot ........... but I know we aim for perfection in the Bird section
The hand held comment was for amusement as I would think that Denis used a tripod ....... so I could even have suggested that he needs to improve his technique
so here we go again discussing how to deliver critique, (again) ...... we all have different ways, and if one person comments on the way it has been delivered by another the debate continues
My answer to you to see #4 was a shorter version of what I said above
Cruel,really Bill? If I was stood looking at a painting hanging in an art gallery with somebody,I would not be discussing excuses because the artist used the wrong brush or indeed whether he was on his head or arse when he painted it. It has also been discussed in the past, that it helps to give people an idea by adding a bit of information in with the thread to start with.With all due respect,if Denis thought this shot was perfect to start with then so be it, but if not, why post an image which in all honesty is not sharp on the main point of the subject (that being the eye) in a forum dedicated to giving honest crit. I really cannot understand how people find such a simple thing hard to follow.If you think my reply was innapropriate in any shape or form then please feel free to report it.I will not however change my style of replying to anybody just to please an individual.
I'd report him coz he's a fool.
As for the picture itself, personally if it were mine I'd not have posted it for the reasons given about the sharpness or lack there of. Regardless of the reasons ie shallow dof, slow ss, camera shake, motion blur etc etc it is a sub standard shot and the OP is capable of far better than this and I'm sure he knows it too.
Looking at the image critically I would agree with the comments as regards the lack of sharpness on the eye, obviously the most important area, the shot was taken at the side of a a path on a walk around at Leyton Moss & was hand held, I did not think that overall the shot was that bad, but with hindsight maybe i should not have posted as it is not 100% perfect, i will strive to do better.
Looking at the image critically I would agree with the comments as regards the lack of sharpness on the eye, obviously the most important area, the shot was taken at the side of a a path on a walk around at Leyton Moss & was hand held, I did not think that overall the shot was that bad, but with hindsight maybe i should not have posted as it is not 100% perfect, i will strive to do better.
Well said Denis, nice to see some one not taking offence at what others may say, after all, they are only opinions.As I said Neil fair comments, no offence taken.
All of these arguments could have been spared of everything just agreed with what my underlined but unwritten statement was; the bird isn't sharp lol.
It has been sharpened to try and reclaim aome detail but yeah, just soft. Shame because it was a good pose and well framed. Ah well, you have some excellent shots in your collection so this is just one that didn't work *as well*
Bill, you on drugs or summat?
FFS here we go again ,denis i,m sure can see the imperfections (which by the way are minor ) and overall its a pleasant image .if we were selling our photos and it had to go before a board meeting to see if it was good enough ,fair does .
BUT the majority of us take photos for pleasure and relaxation ,not for a inquisition by a small gang of so called perfectionists .in my mind there should only be two types of comment
Post in the appropriate section then Jeff.
(1) a comment explaining what is wrong in the eye of the viewer AND explaining how to correct it properly and helpfully without ANY bitchy remarks
I adopted this approach with one of your shots once, only to be met with dummy spitting
(2) if you don't like a photo and its not up to your perceived vision of perfection SAY f*** ALL
FFS here we go again ,denis i,m sure can see the imperfections (which by the way are minor ) and overall its a pleasant image .if we were selling our photos and it had to go before a board meeting to see if it was good enough ,fair does .
BUT the majority of us take photos for pleasure and relaxation ,not for a inquisition by a small gang of so called perfectionists .in my mind there should only be two types of comment
(1) a comment explaining what is wrong in the eye of the viewer AND explaining how to correct it properly and helpfully without ANY bitchy remarks
(2) if you don't like a photo and its not up to your perceived vision of perfection SAY f*** ALL
No. It is a Critique section the same as any other. No special request has to be made. If the pic is posted here, it's open for critique. The end!!!!Just as an aside, Brian, if I may be so familiar, is it an "unwritten rule" that all the shots in the Bird forum are there to be critiqued - or are they there just for comment unless tagged with the Critique label?
No. It is a Critique section the same as any other. No special request has to be made. If the pic is posted here, it's open for critique. The end!!!!
No!! See #33so have you and "others" stopped posting images because no one critques them?
No!! See #33
No. I/we're sick of the kiss arse comments given to images that are clearly not all than and when honest crit is given you get snidey remarks contradicting the comments you have honestly given "Ooooh, I think the comp is fine," or "I don't think it's over sharpened," or whatever. Mugs!! Did you mention Trolls? There you go. I'm at work at the moment and too bust to continue this line.so you (and others), have stopped posting on here because of how others comment on images posted on here
(I am not trying to start an argument - i.e. I am not intentionally "trolling" AFAIAA - just discovering all these internet words)
you should both or all three or four of you post more images, I have always found them interesting
so have you and "others" stopped posting images because no one critques them?
(I am not trying to start an argument - I.e. I am not intentionally "trolling" AFAIAA)