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Can someone link me to a good example of these beneton photos please?
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...a=X&ei=HWFmTK6BNI3s4AaBrbGZBA&ved=0CCwQ9QEwBQ
Can someone link me to a good example of these beneton photos please?
I do get why Luke's excited about these, and they are good ideas well shot.
But they're nothing new, the Benettona dverts in the early 1990's where pushing things far more than these have and they aren't new ideas.
Don't get me wrong, I think as a set they're great, but I don't think they match the hype created around them
As a fashion shoot i can see it, but i wonder who would use it to sell clothes. As a piece of social commentary it fails. It's fake and that's obvious.
Now, if you hadn't hyped the hell out of yourself i wouldn't be so harsh. But you did.
You're a good photographer. You don't need to vanish up your own arse.
It's more of a case I think where a company would see the images, really like them and that i'm creative and stuff, like the style I work with and then use me.
It may not seem like it but I hate having debates on here but I just can't seem to help myself, I blame it on being an Aries. Anyway with the Benneton thing, yeah they pushed the boundaries more, I agree with that buts its a bit different. Yes drugs have been used before, everything has. However I have not seen anything quite like what I have done mainly with the model shots. I have seen a few sort of attempts but none as good (IMO). I got an idea and put my own twist on it which in my eyes makes it as original as anything can be these days. If this stuff though has been done before to a high standard and i've just missed then then i'll happily accept that.
I think you're missing the point a little - everyone can see you're very talented, but have you never heard of 'trying too hard'?
People who do things that are genuinely 'edgy' and different aren't deliberately setting out to do something edgy and different, they are just doing it.
I dont believe this is trying to hard in the slightest. My works always quite creative but there is nothing wrong with pushing yourself hard. There are lots and lots of photographers on model mayhem better than me so there is nothing wrong with trying something a bit different to stand out more.
I dont believe this is trying to hard in the slightest. My works always quite creative but there is nothing wrong with pushing yourself hard. There are lots and lots of photographers on model mayhem better than me so there is nothing wrong with trying something a bit different to stand out more.
I don't mean putting too much effort in...
You are clearly very driven and I commend you for that - and I'm going to tell you the truth:
On a technical level I think these are very good and far beyond anything I am capable of.
On a "social commentary" level they leave me stone cold. As per all the other statements there is a disconnect between the models and the subject matter and not in a good way. I think you need to take it even further for that kind of juxtaposition to work i.e. if your models are going to be clean, beautiful and glamourous then everything else in the frame other than the drug paraphernalia also needs to be glossy. The drug needs to be the big elephant in the room and in these shots it's just not. The alternative is to try for a more real / documentary type approach but if you are going to do that then you will always be oershadowed by true documentary images that have been taken by other people.
The baby being involved is nothing new - it does add a different dimension but I don't think you have pushed the boundries at all.
These are very "heroin chic" - I don't think you have promoted drug use with these shots but they do glamourise the idea somewhat. I'm not going to criticise you for that but it's something to keep in mind.
EDIT - forgot to say - hype is rarely a good thing. That's all I have to say about that!
Oh yeah the main touch in processing was adding a film grain to most of them.
I totally agree with the documenary approach, I could have easily got real addicts if I wanted to and the images would always be more powerful but thats not what I wanted. I wouldnt change the solo model ones of the guy and the glamour girl but I would definately make the family set more crazy.
or trying too hard.
I'm trying to be helpful/constructive (and I'm certainly no expert) - as said, it's great that you are trying to push yourself and try new things, and you have a lot of talent - but a lot of people feel you have missed the mark with the concept.
Trying to be controversial just for the sake of it means you actually just end up being cliched. That's what I mean by trying too hard. Pushing this concept even further isn't really the answer imo.
I think if you just let your style develop more organically rather than trying to force hype and controversy into it will probably work out better in the long run - but what do I know.
I'm trying to be helpful/constructive (and I'm certainly no expert) - as said, it's great that you are trying to push yourself and try new things, and you have a lot of talent - but a lot of people feel you have missed the mark with the concept.
Trying to be controversial just for the sake of it means you actually just end up being cliched. That's what I mean by trying too hard. Pushing this concept even further isn't really the answer imo.
I think if you just let your style develop more organically rather than trying to force hype and controversy into it will probably work out better in the long run - but what do I know.
btw my favourite of the set is 4 where the heroin theme isn't quite so obvious
Well what you wanted was to "push the boundries" - I think your vision (which you obviously feel you achieved with the solo shots) and what you say you were aiming to achieve are contradictory. The solo model shots that you wouldn't change don't push any boundries as far as I'm concerned (only my opinion of course) so I'd be interested to know how you feel they fit your brief?
I'm not trying to be argumentative btw - I like that you have put the effort in and are trying to further yourself. I just think your original message has been somewhat lost and it would be good for you to know where along the way that happened - so you can improve next time.
In a similar vein (if you pardon the pun) Barnardo's
For some of the best work on drugs, look at 9th Floor by Jessica Dimmock
Warning: NSFW!
http://www.mediastorm.com/publication/the-ninth-floor
Technically fine, but the image to me does nothing and is something that has been done before with better results. As has said it's trying to be controversial and being very obvious in your way of doing it, and your photos portray you are trying to do something you have little knowledge of your subject material.
The other thing is you saying you are going to go "Crazy" with it next time. People wanting their ideas to be crazy usually end up being the opposite, at least that is my experience. It is very easy to say you are going to be different, but to do it is the hard bit, good job of taking it on the chin though and taking comments on board, fingers crossed you make it, but be careful don't disappear up your own hype!
For some of the best work on drugs, look at 9th Floor by Jessica Dimmock
Warning: NSFW!
http://www.mediastorm.com/publication/the-ninth-floor
Technically fine, but the image to me does nothing and is something that has been done before with better results. As has said it's trying to be controversial and being very obvious in your way of doing it, and your photos portray you are trying to do something you have little knowledge of your subject material.
The other thing is you saying you are going to go "Crazy" with it next time. People wanting their ideas to be crazy usually end up being the opposite, at least that is my experience. It is very easy to say you are going to be different, but to do it is the hard bit, good job of taking it on the chin though and taking comments on board, fingers crossed you make it, but be careful don't disappear up your own hype!
For some of the best work on drugs, look at 9th Floor by Jessica Dimmock
Warning: NSFW!
http://www.mediastorm.com/publication/the-ninth-floor
Blimey ! Is this thread dead already - after all the hype :shrug:!?