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Computers only do what they are told to do. Someone has told it to download more crud and install it.....
Or, in the case referred to, Windows Updates
Wait a minute, you're right, crud it is!
Computers only do what they are told to do. Someone has told it to download more crud and install it.....
I can't say I recall ever having any major bother with WU.Or, in the case referred to, Windows Updates
Wait a minute, you're right, crud it is!
Meh... too easy to have a go. I've run Windows Updates on all the Windows machines I have ever had and I've only ever had a handful of problems. I have never had WU install clutter at startup.Or, in the case referred to, Windows Updates
Wait a minute, you're right, crud it is!
Well that worked a treat - NOT!Click on the checkbox to the left of firefox (actually, the disto I am using calls it iceweasel, but that's a different matter) and once marked, click apply. Not only can you install multiple things in one go (you can search/select multiple packages) you only ever need to go to one place - the package manager. No more google download location, download software then install... SIMPLES
Some people have an open mind and are curious. Asking can help you find out more about things.Simples. If you have to ask then you don't need it. Stick to Windows or Mac
Weird! I don't like to anything the hard way. And on Linux most things are as easy as other OSs. Linux with all its GUIs is definitely not designed for propellor heads only. I never use the command line (for reasons I posted above) and I have no interest in learning what goes on under the hood. I just use it. And have nothing to prove. As do probably the majority of Linux users. Although I am only guessing the division of casual users to propeller-heads. And I guess anyone using the command line is doing so to maintain their computer and not using it as a user. I.e for photography or office work or actually doing something.OK so Linux on the desktop is for people who like to do things the hard way and prove their technical prowess to others.
Installing on Linux is as good if not easier as Windows. The Software manager does it all for you in an easy way.In Windows to install something I just click on the Application and, HEY, it installs and stays there! - so easy!
Ubuntu also comes with a Software Manager. Synaptic package manager is not normally needed.... you most definitely do not need the command line to install stuff - Ubuntu distributions come with Synaptic Package Manager and Zorin comes with a Software Manager (Start -> Software Manager) which allows you to install from packages.
Some people have an open mind and are curious. Asking can help you find out more about things.
Weird! I don't like to anything the hard way. And on Linux most things are as easy as other OSs. Linux with all its GUIs is definitely not designed for propellor heads only. I never use the command line (for reasons I posted above) and I have no interest in learning what goes on under the hood. I just use it. And have nothing to prove. As do probably the majority of Linux users. Although I am only guessing the division of casual users to propeller-heads. And I guess anyone using the command line is doing so to maintain their computer and not using it as a user. I.e for photography or office work or actually doing something.
Installing on Linux is as good if not easier as Windows. The Software manager does it all for you in an easy way.
Ubuntu also comes with a Software Manager. Synaptic package manager is not normally needed.
How are (were?) you try Linux? Full install? Virtual Machine (and if so, saving state, or starting from scratch each time)? Live CD/DVD?Except it doesn't work!
So for me totally useless.
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It's gotta be worth a go, especially if you were going to re-install anyway (if you don't like it, all you've lost is a few days).Well I've had a think and am going to give Linux mint a go on my old dell laptop
I just had a look at it and it's windows xp so either I've got to buy another version of windows or try Linux
It's not worth spending any money on it and I've already got another laptop so nothing to lose
It needed windows reinstalling anyway as it became very slow to boot and the USB ports don't work
I will try installing mint from a DVD next week and no doubt will be posting some questions!
Will probably use the laptop for internet and photo viewing probably won't try any photo editing program's
Thanks everyone for their input it's been a really interesting thread
It's gotta be worth a go, especially if you were going to re-install anyway (if you don't like it, all you've lost is a few days).
Before you do though, run the Windows 8 compatability tool. XP shouldn't really be allowed out on it's own anymore (there are new unpatched exploits already), so whilst you have windows on there, make sure that the machine is compatable with the newest version.
thanks will doCheck this weeks "Micro Mart" for details to change WinXP to a LINUX Distro
Except it doesn't work!
So for me totally useless.
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Except it doesn't work!
So for me totally useless.
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Sorry - I only quickly googled that distro to try and help Peter. I administer all my Linux installs from the command line so only have vague recollections of any form of package manager...Ubuntu also comes with a Software Manager. Synaptic package manager is not normally needed.
If you're in a VM and can access the Internet, that's all that should be needed as you are able to resolve addresses....I'd guess that because you're running a virtual machine
doesnt generally go down well though, especially with the mac users. that lot are a law unto themselves.
I've certainly installed a system without needing the command line too....
This is the bit I don't get. You want to use Scribus - OK - I've never used that or Indesign so wouldn't know one end of either from the other - but you imply the Windows alternative is expensive. OK AN alternative is expensive, but Scribus - like MANY other open apps - is available on Windows. There does appear to be a complete blinkering of the Linux is the Only Way brigade that forgets that most of the free apps (Libre Office etc...) are also available on Windows, so the only extra initial cost is that of the OS - which comes bundled with most PCs. And, as has been said by most on here advocating Linux, other than for reviving old hardware (which Linux does well) most people also can't let go of Windows for one reason or another - normally due to needing certain Windows only apps. Why go to all that effort...?
Your rose tinted glasses are well and truly on tonight... What are the tools I'm missing out on to enrich my life that run exclusively on Linux...It is true that windows will run most, but not all best OSS tools. Some are exclusive to linux,
The CPU intensive apps I've tried (recoding video with ffmpeg which is about as CPU intensive as you can get) runs at approximately the same speed under Windows and Linux. Which ones run significantly quicker?but many will simply run faster (not so much for libre office, but CPU intensive apps will be better).
How are (were?) you try Linux? Full install? Virtual Machine (and if so, saving state, or starting from scratch each time)? Live CD/DVD?
Once a bit of software is installed, you shouldn't have to install it again...
Genuinely interested it what was happening.
Probably because they chose mac to avoid being managed by IT in the first place (it works in some places!). It is not always nice to be waiting for some key software weeks, never seeing it all or being given an inferior, unknown and paid alternative. Not all IT departments are bad, but even so there is inconvenience asking for every single small thing. I know you have a perfect answer to that - it's the policy...
If you had to look after daugirdas' IT install, you might just turn into the BOFH just to see him self-implode....(when ive had a cup of tea i might manage something a little more constructive)
I think the key reason is the free software. Free as in open and transparent. It is nice to know the software is free from NSA backdoors and is developed by the community rather than a secretive for profit company (apple I am referring to you also). Operating system is a too big deal to be closed source these days
(when ive had a cup of tea i might manage something a little more constructive)
unless you're talking about a machine 5+ years old (Win 7 RTM was mid 2009, so anything bought in 2009 would have likely qualified for a free upgrade), would have come with Win 7 anyway
Windows updates come out once a month - if the machine isn't on very often and you have auto updates on,
Probably because they chose mac to avoid being managed by IT in the first place (it works in some places!). It is not always nice to be waiting for some key software weeks, never seeing it all or being given an inferior, unknown and paid alternative. Not all IT departments are bad, but even so there is inconvenience asking for every single small thing. I know you have a perfect answer to that - it's the policy...
You had the license key. All you needed was some media which is FREELY AND LEGALLY downloadable from the net. You didn't need to pay a single $ to get Win 7 back on that machine. Here: http://www.w7forums.com/threads/official-windows-7-sp1-iso-image-downloads.12325/you misunderstand, i'm talking about a machine that came with W7 preinstalled (no disks ) but suffered a borked hard drive - having bought a new HDD i then needed a new 64 bit operating system - for which MS wanted to charge me £££ - linux was an obvious alternative
You had the license key. All you needed was some media which is FREELY AND LEGALLY downloadable from the net. You didn't need to pay a single $ to get Win 7 back on that machine. Here: http://www.w7forums.com/threads/official-windows-7-sp1-iso-image-downloads.12325/
a linux distro cant be much smaller? (havent checked for a while)
You can lead a horse to water.......
Your original point was that you moved to linux because you didn't want to spend money on Windows, but it turned out you already had Windows, just it was on a borked disk. You then said Microsoft wanted £££ to replace it and I pointed out that you can get these things free - you only need the key, so the reasons you claimed you moved to linux weren't real reasons at all - you just wanted to move. Fair enough, but it would have saved effort and frustration if you'd just said that up front and left it at that .but if it is happily not at all thirsty because its full of lovely clear linux water, you won't force it to drink a load of boggy microsoft ouse , however much you think it should
Your original point was that you moved to linux because you didn't want to spend money on Windows, but it turned out you already had Windows, just it was on a borked disk. You then said Microsoft wanted £££ to replace it and I pointed out that you can get these things free - you only need the key, so the reasons you claimed you moved to linux weren't real reasons at all - you just wanted to move. Fair enough, but it would have saved effort and frustration if you'd just said that up front and left it at that .
As to Linux being bug free... well, don't forget that the heartbleed bug is in a piece of open software that is on all Linux platforms worldwde, so no, Linux is not impervious to bugs.
And as I said, that is a misinformed position. You can get a fully legal and functional disk for $0.no - i moved to linux because it was free, easily accesible and available on a disk - as opposed to W7 which was only available on a (functional) disk if i bought a new copy, the disks that were sent out by dell being crap that didnt work.
If you read my posts, you'll see that I actually run more Linux systems than Windows. I just don't use Linux as my day-to-day UI as I think it brings more disadvantages than advantages. My basic reasoning is if I have to dual boot or run a VM just to run a UI program, I have chosen the wrong OS - and there's always something I want to run that's MS only somewhere - home is predominantly Lightroom, work is Office. I also think for most others, Windows is probably the right choice due to more people knowing about Windows, so it is easier to get help from others even though both Linux and Windows will do 95% of the jobs as well as each other.Having moved and found that linux works fine , ive no intention of moving back to W7 just because you think MS is the one true god
You implied it by "drinking the lovely clear Linux water".and I've never said that linux is bug free
It affected any server running a version of OpenSSH within the last few years, whatever the underlying OS was. There was a bug in a trusted and privileged application which opened holes.but my understanding was that heartbleed was a cross platform issue
Don't remember claiming the world as we know it was now over, nor claiming (or implying) that MS devices are immune, just that bugs can be found on Linux too. There may be less exploits, but the ones that are there seem to be pretty big (both heartbleed and the recent Apple SSL bug are pretty major IMHO).surely you arent now saying (having previously claimed that the world as we know it was over ) that all MS devices are imune ?
no - i moved to linux because it was free, easily accesible and available on a disk - as opposed to W7 which was only available on a (functional) disk if i bought a new copy, the disks that were sent out by dell being crap that didnt work.
Having moved and found that linux works fine , ive no intention of moving back to W7 just because you think MS is the one true god
and I've never said that linux is bug free, but my understanding was that heartbleed was a cross platform issue - surely you arent now saying (having previously claimed that the world as we know it was over ) that all MS devices are imune ?