Anyone watching the NRA press conference?

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So far they've blamed films, video games, music videos, the lack of a database of the mentally ill on the school shooting. It's a wonder that we're not all serial killers.
 
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"


How about a culture where the bad guy can't get a gun in the first place.
 
I heard something on the radio this week

There's an estimated 300,000,000 guns in the US

It doesn't matter what they do, it's too late
 
Ricardodaforce said:
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

How about a culture where the bad guy can't get a gun in the first place.
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You can't expect sense from the NRA! Everywhere that has introduced gun control have experienced fewer shootings. That's the uncomfortable truth for them.

An escalation of weaponry is never a good idea.
 
srichards said:
You can't expect sense from the NRA! Everywhere that has introduced gun control have experienced fewer shootings. That's the uncomfortable truth for them.

An escalation of weaponry is never a good idea.
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Apart from this country
 
The concept of armed people in primary schools makes me shiver. To offer this as a solution, to what is a ludicrous problem speaks volumes
 
Davec223 said:
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not?
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Hell no. No sarcasm intended. If I went off on a rant I'd be banned for an eon.
 
Davec223 said:
Ok cool, sorry to question you, just my opinion on this isn't what most people like.
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Not a problem. We shall nurse our opinions quietly :D
 
I would imagine with the volume of weapons available, the amount of employment from their manufacture, sale and maintenance, subsequent use at ranges and the like, any ban on the ownership and use would have a fair effect on the economy and employment in the USA.

I remember seeing a video on youtube where a couple of bad lads attempt a robbery in a slot machine arcade, an old guy draws his gun and starts shooting at them, foiling the robbery. He was hailed as a hero for his action, my thoughts were that as he had not actually hit either of his targets where were the bullets going, and what was the chance that a stray would have hit an innocent bystander.

Gun ownership is fully entrenched in the American way of life, good luck to any one trying to curb the ownership of firearms there now.
 
Me either. But I've been banned once, and it ain't pretty :D
 
srichards said:
You can't expect sense from the NRA! Everywhere that has introduced gun control have experienced fewer shootings. That's the uncomfortable truth for them.

An escalation of weaponry is never a good idea.
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Has it really? This country has some of the strictest laws on gun ownership, the stats on this reports paint a very different images to yours above

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm
 
'Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius'

or

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad

'My right to possess a semi-automatic full bore rifle is more important than the life of your child'

I think not
 
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I began reading the press release, reached the phrase "driven by demons" and decided I probably shouldn't read anymore. It couldn't have sounded anymore crazy if it was written as a spoof.

The fact that such an organisation has achieved as much political and cultural influence is deeply worrying.
 
Richard King said:
The concept of armed people in primary schools makes me shiver. To offer this as a solution, to what is a ludicrous problem speaks volumes
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TriggerHappy said:
I began reading the press release, reached the phrase "driven by demons" and decided I probably shouldn't read anymore. It couldn't have sounded anymore crazy if it was written as a spoof.

The fact that such an organisation has achieved as much political and cultural influence is deeply worrying.
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Indeed.

The satirical site Newsthump suggests the NRA banning schools. I wonder how far away the NRA are from advocating this.....
 
Just watched the whole conference and its more bonkers than the satire..

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Here in the UK we have BASC (British Association of Shooting & Conservation). I'm a long term member.

BASC is the source of knowledge and advice on everything to do with shooting, guns safety and firearm law in the UK, and they provide this advice to shooters, HMG and the police. If you like, they are our answer to the NRA.

I'm not going to say anything about the NRA because talking about extreme right wing fanatics isn't allowed on here.
 
Guns don't kill people, Morons do!!
Essentially it's a tool to do a job, the rifle doesn't fire itself.
 
Reidy36 said:
Guns don't kill people, Morons do!!
Essentially it's a tool to do a job, the rifle doesn't fire itself.
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Absolutely, and if the moron doesn't have a gun he won't shoot anyone.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"


How about a culture where the bad guy can't get a gun in the first place.
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Too late for that, and as I posted in the other similar thread, over here - a mass shooting stopped by an armed civilian has an average of 2.5 deaths. A mass shooting which is put to an end by either law enforcement or the shooter taking his own life has an average of 14. Of course, in a perfect world there would be no shooting in the first place.
 
As a friend of mine summised it:

"So judging by their press conference, the NRA want to demonise/possibly ban all media that makes glorifying reference to guns. Surely, this would include all media put out by the NRA, including the press conference itself."
 
Davec223 said:
Doesn't matter if they make all guns illegal, it will still happen.
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In this case though, would it have happened, a young apparent loner with aspergers that was said to normally exist in his basement playing games. Would he have gone on a gun rampage without freely having access to guns. Where would he have got them from?

In a vast majority of other cases i'd say yes they'd have more than likely got a gun from another source but in this case I strongly doubt it would've happened if he didn't have all these weapons at arms reach ready to go.
 
AndyB1976 said:
Stop selling ammo?
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Wouldn't work.

It works, up to a point, in the UK with our very tight controls, making it difficult for criminals to get ammo. But they still get it.

In the US,with virtually no controls of ammo, there will be untold millions of rounds in circulation. And even if that could be dealt with in some way, people could make it themselves. Here in the UK, anyone was able to buy the reloading equipment until a few years ago - that has now changed but you know what? ammo can be made even without a reloading press. All that's needed is primers, readily available, propellent, readily available, empty brass, readily available and a bullet (controlled sale but easily made out of a lump of lead).
 
MWHCVT said:
Has it really? This country has some of the strictest laws on gun ownership, the stats on this reports paint a very different images to yours above

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm
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That's a bit out of date. The latest figures are here

Problem is, the figures are confusing because of the way in which crimes are reported and the data is compiled, and just to make it more complicated, because Scotland has different laws and different reporting criteria from England and Wales, there are differences there too.

And just to make it even more complicated, the figures don't distinguish between legally and illegally held firearms. And where shotguns are involved, there is no distinction between legal ones and the sawn off ones.

And if that isn't enough, if a member of the public says that a gun was seen then this is accepted as fact, unless the police are able to establish that there was no gun. Sometimes of course the public can have a vivid imagination, and on top of that someone may report seeing someone with a gun who then isn't found - apparently that goes down as a gun crime, even though it may have been someone legally shooting rabbits who had gone home by the time the police arrived.

44% of reported firearms offences were committed with handguns, which were almost completely banned 15 years ago, indicating that banning them hasn't stopped criminals from getting hold of them.

But overall, there is a year on year drop, which indicates that the police must be doing something right.
 
AndyB1976 said:
The satirical site Newsthump suggests the NRA banning schools. I wonder how far away the NRA are from advocating this.....
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Bizarrely, It's not so far from reality.

There were a few posts on freerepublic.com (a US right wing site) suggesting that since all these we're taking place in government run schools, then government should get out of running schools. This from people who said they home school their kids so they have a gun to hand to defend themselves.
 
Making your own ammunition does require some brain power though.

Supermarkets selling ammunition seems completely inappropriate to me. You have to be trained and responsible to use guns. They're not just for anyone. We have driver's licences and HGV licences as vehicles can be used to kill and do particularly if stupid people get hold of them. I don't see why guns shouldn't be restricted in similar ways. I don't think anyone would argue for total car ownership and no restrictions on cars and to allow just anyone to drive? Why would anyone argue the same for guns. They have one purpose, to kill things. Cars have alternative purposes, to get from a to b. Killing things can be a consequence but it isn't their sole reason for being. I'm sure the US restricts the sale of explosives so why are guns such an issue?

There was a 'gun' incident locally. It was a can of cillit bang!!!! Entire armed response unit came out and closed the whole road off for some nutter doing some cleaning.
 
srichards said:
Making your own ammunition does require some brain power though.

Supermarkets selling ammunition seems completely inappropriate to me. You have to be trained and responsible to use guns. They're not just for anyone. We have driver's licences and HGV licences as vehicles can be used to kill and do particularly if stupid people get hold of them. I don't see why guns shouldn't be restricted in similar ways. I don't think anyone would argue for total car ownership and no restrictions on cars and to allow just anyone to drive? Why would anyone argue the same for guns. They have one purpose, to kill things. Cars have alternative purposes, to get from a to b. Killing things can be a consequence but it isn't their sole reason for being. I'm sure the US restricts the sale of explosives so why are guns such an issue?

There was a 'gun' incident locally. It was a can of cillit bang!!!! Entire armed response unit came out and closed the whole road off for some nutter doing some cleaning.
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Sorry guns are not only for killing things, I used to shoot competivately and my guns were never used to kill anything. I truly believe that thus country has proved that gun bans do not work.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Wouldn't work.

It works, up to a point, in the UK with our very tight controls, making it difficult for criminals to get ammo. But they still get it.

In the US,with virtually no controls of ammo, there will be untold millions of rounds in circulation. And even if that could be dealt with in some way, people could make it themselves. Here in the UK, anyone was able to buy the reloading equipment until a few years ago - that has now changed but you know what? ammo can be made even without a reloading press. All that's needed is primers, readily available, propellent, readily available, empty brass, readily available and a bullet (controlled sale but easily made out of a lump of lead).
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Sure criminals can get guns, bullets or whatever they want and criminals by definition work on the other side of law. Prohibition has probably never been completely effective for the majority of things. If it has to be smuggled or home-brewed then that can only disrupt supply and future dwindling stock.

I just think having mass produced, quality controlled, precision made, limitless ammo for sale in Walmart is indefensible.

How many perpetrators of the US mass shootings have acquired their munitions from criminal/underworld sources and how many acquired theirs via legally purchased means?
 
AndyB1976 said:
How many perpetrators of the US mass shootings have acquired their munitions from criminal/underworld sources and how many acquired theirs via legally purchased means?
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Actually it seems that a high number of them are committed using other peoples weapons - which is basically theft, so more than you might think, even though the actual weapon and ammunition was legally obtained.

FWIW, I do think that all weapons should be sold differently to the way they are today - but I really don't think that will stop these kinds of things happening again.
 
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srichards said:
Making your own ammunition does require some brain power though.

Supermarkets selling ammunition seems completely inappropriate to me. You have to be trained and responsible to use guns. They're not just for anyone. We have driver's licences and HGV licences as vehicles can be used to kill and do particularly if stupid people get hold of them. I don't see why guns shouldn't be restricted in similar ways. I don't think anyone would argue for total car ownership and no restrictions on cars and to allow just anyone to drive? Why would anyone argue the same for guns. They have one purpose, to kill things. Cars have alternative purposes, to get from a to b. Killing things can be a consequence but it isn't their sole reason for being. I'm sure the US restricts the sale of explosives so why are guns such an issue?
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There are very few restrictions on purchasing smokeless propellant and black powder in the US.
 
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