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I saw a Neewer ad the other day where it appeared that someone was using a Godox X trigger to control a new Neewer flash (basically a V1 ripoff).

I’ve just been to look at the flash on Amazon, and there it is, with Godox compatibility mentioned in the sub head , and the V1 clone is £180 vs £300 for the Godox (64Ws).


Is this the beginning of Neewer doing to Godox, what Godox did to the rest of the market?

Has anyone got one? Does it do what it says on the tin?
 
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Yeah it looks like Godox have successfully started a standard for flash control. There's another outfit called Geekoto https://shop.geekoto.com/products/geekoto-gt200 that also offer Godox X compatibility, and it looks like you can buy them in the UK now. I like Geekoto as they make an AD200 clone (flat sided for stacking)

The Neewer Q4/Q6 is interesting :)
 
Phil V said:
I saw a Neewer ad the other day where it appeared that someone was using a Godox X trigger to control a new Neewer flash (basically a V1 ripoff).

I’ve just been to look at the flash on Amazon, and there it is, with Godox compatibility mentioned in the sub head , and the V1 clone is £180 vs £300 for the Godox (64Ws).


Is this the beginning of Neewer doing to Godox, what Godox did to the rest of the market?

Has anyone got one? Does it do what it says on the tin?
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Worth pointing out maybe that Godox is just a Profoto rip off.

Neewer has been selling rebadged Godox kit for as long as I can remember. I had a Neewer flash that worked with their triggers about 7/8 years ago.

They no longer seem to just rebadge Godox but assume they have some sort of agreement with them still as they have quite a few that work within the Godox system.
 
I know nothing about this, but I do have a pretty good understanding of how the manufacturing system works in China.

f/1.2 said:
Worth pointing out maybe that Godox is just a Profoto rip off.
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Not so. Godox, and many other manufacturers closely copy all products that are both expensive and popular. Profoto and others, especially Aputure, are obvious targets because of their very high prices.
f/1.2 said:
Neewer has been selling rebadged Godox kit for as long as I can remember. I had a Neewer flash that worked with their triggers about 7/8 years ago.
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They've been re-badging everything for as long as I can remember. But, they now also have their own manufacturing plant, turning out a wide range of stuff, some of which seems to be pretty good.
f/1.2 said:
They no longer seem to just rebadge Godox but assume they have some sort of agreement with them still as they have quite a few that work within the Godox system.
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I don't know, but Neewer are a very large and successful business, I'm sure that they have the engineering capability to produce identical or near-identical products, and they have the financial clout to get away with it, in a country that pays little attention to intellectual property rights.

Phil V said:
I saw a Neewer ad the other day where it appeared that someone was using a Godox X trigger to control a new Neewer flash (basically a V1 ripoff).

I’ve just been to look at the flash on Amazon, and there it is, with Godox compatibility mentioned in the sub head , and the V1 clone is £180 vs £300 for the Godox (64Ws).


Is this the beginning of Neewer doing to Godox, what Godox did to the rest of the market?

Has anyone got one? Does it do what it says on the tin?
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And there you go . . .

Yongnuou started the copy and undercut process with their flashguns and triggers, they were so incredibly successful at it that they completely dominated the market, to the point where they ran out of customers:)

Then Godox adopted a similar business model, they are hugely successful, a very large business that has diversified into non-photographic products too, with good reason, and their prices keep going up and up, continually. How can what is, after all, just an ordinary flashgun, possibly be worth £300? There's nothing special about it, they may make strange marketing claims about the round head producing a beautiful soft light, but it's just an ordinary flashgun, so we shouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers see and grasp the opportunity to undercut them.
 
Garry Edwards said:
How can what is, after all, just an ordinary flashgun, possibly be worth £300? There's nothing special about it, they may make strange marketing claims about the round head producing a beautiful soft light, but it's just an ordinary flashgun, so we shouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers see and grasp the opportunity to undercut them.
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Profoto did the roundhead flash first. The current equivalent of the Godox V100 at £300 costs £875.
 
f/1.2 said:
Profoto did the roundhead flash first. The current equivalent of the Godox V100 at £300 costs £875.
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And the roundhead speedlight thing is (almost?) entirely marketing BS, no matter the price...
 
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I know virtually nothing about flashguns because I have very little use for them.

I have a tiny one, very low-powered, which I use specifically for putting inside or hiding behind things, invaluable for that. I got it for a specific job, when I had to photograph a load of crash helmets, perfect for that because it not only lights the interior, it also prevents specular reflections on the visor. I also have a Nikon SB-700, which I bought (2nd-hand of course) years before Yongnuo came along. Flashguns are a very poor substitute for studio flash, when studio flash is an option, although they are also invaluable for those odd little jobs mentioned above.

Then, a few years ago, I was asked to carry out product training for Lencarta staff, which involved learning about the Godox gear – Godox because that’s pretty much all that the public buys, regardless of price, quality or choice.

I’d assumed that there must be something special about the V1 because of its price, but there wasn’t, the special qualities were just BS.

I found that the Godox triggers were clever, efficient and reliable, as long as I had time to photograph the instructions on my smartphone, enlarge them to the point where the type was big enough to actually read, and to remember those instructions, and then try to work out how to make them actually work with the various flashes, which also had very complicated menus – OK I guess for press and wedding photographers, who use them all the time, but far too fiddly for people who may want to use them occasionally . . .

Compare any of these new hi-tech flashes with my trusty SB-700, which not only just works as expected but also doesn’t overheat at the drop of a hat, and it’s a no-contest.

The main problem, as I see it, is that the manufacturers make these things far too complicated, just so that they can have an incredibly long list of bullet-point features (which pretend to be actual benefits) that very few of us will even understand, let alone use – and those features allow them to charge very high prices for what is, in effect, a simple and cheap-to-produce tool that shouldn’t need an instruction book to use.
 
DemiLion said:
Erm, nope.

The Godox V1 was launched in mid 2019.

The Profoto A10 came out a year later in Sept 2020.

So who ripped off whom?
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DemiLion said:
Argg.

Sorry.

The Profoto A1 came out in 2017.
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You jumped in to early there bro, we have all done it.

You even had me doubting myself for a sec. :D

Garry Edwards said:
I know virtually nothing about flashguns because I have very little use for them.

I have a tiny one, very low-powered, which I use specifically for putting inside or hiding behind things, invaluable for that. I got it for a specific job, when I had to photograph a load of crash helmets, perfect for that because it not only lights the interior, it also prevents specular reflections on the visor. I also have a Nikon SB-700, which I bought (2nd-hand of course) years before Yongnuo came along. Flashguns are a very poor substitute for studio flash, when studio flash is an option, although they are also invaluable for those odd little jobs mentioned above.

Then, a few years ago, I was asked to carry out product training for Lencarta staff, which involved learning about the Godox gear – Godox because that’s pretty much all that the public buys, regardless of price, quality or choice.

I’d assumed that there must be something special about the V1 because of its price, but there wasn’t, the special qualities were just BS.

I found that the Godox triggers were clever, efficient and reliable, as long as I had time to photograph the instructions on my smartphone, enlarge them to the point where the type was big enough to actually read, and to remember those instructions, and then try to work out how to make them actually work with the various flashes, which also had very complicated menus – OK I guess for press and wedding photographers, who use them all the time, but far too fiddly for people who may want to use them occasionally . . .

Compare any of these new hi-tech flashes with my trusty SB-700, which not only just works as expected but also doesn’t overheat at the drop of a hat, and it’s a no-contest.

The main problem, as I see it, is that the manufacturers make these things far too complicated, just so that they can have an incredibly long list of bullet-point features (which pretend to be actual benefits) that very few of us will even understand, let alone use – and those features allow them to charge very high prices for what is, in effect, a simple and cheap-to-produce tool that shouldn’t need an instruction book to use.
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It is a long time ago now so tbh I can't 100% remember exact figures but pretty sure when I had an SB-700 it cost about £250 or in around that, pretty sure I paid £279 for my first one. The Godox equivalent today would be the Godox V1 mid, which depending on where you buy costs anywhere between £129-£179. Considering inflation as well that means that Nikon were robbing people back then.

You could also say the same thing about the SB-900 which was £325. You can buy a Godox V100 for well under £300 again considering inflation that makes it ridiculously cheap in comparison.

The Godox V1 is actually ridiculously cheap in comparison to old flash like the SB-700 etc. I am not a fan of the roundhead type flash but even I can see they are excellent value for money compared to what has come before and what is available now.

You also mentioned overheating the Nikon SB-900 nikons top end flash back then was renowned for this. I haven't personally had this with my own godox flash and I have probably owned 9-10 of them at one point or another. I am not saying it doesn't happen a mate of mine had bother with one of his, but it's not like it happens all the time. i had 2 SB900 that were awful for overheating issues.

The only issue with Godox flash I have had is the hotshoe but that seems to only be an issue with the Sony mount due to Sony's stupid design rather than an issue with Godox itself.
 
f/1.2 said:
You jumped in to early there bro, we have all done it.

You even had me doubting myself for a sec. :D



It is a long time ago now so tbh I can't 100% remember exact figures but pretty sure when I had an SB-700 it cost about £250 or in around that, pretty sure I paid £279 for my first one. The Godox equivalent today would be the Godox V1 mid, which depending on where you buy costs anywhere between £129-£179. Considering inflation as well that means that Nikon were robbing people back then.

You could also say the same thing about the SB-900 which was £325. You can buy a Godox V100 for well under £300 again considering inflation that makes it ridiculously cheap in comparison.

The Godox V1 is actually ridiculously cheap in comparison to old flash like the SB-700 etc. I am not a fan of the roundhead type flash but even I can see they are excellent value for money compared to what has come before and what is available now.

You also mentioned overheating the Nikon SB-900 nikons top end flash back then was renowned for this. I haven't personally had this with my own godox flash and I have probably owned 9-10 of them at one point or another. I am not saying it doesn't happen a mate of mine had bother with one of his, but it's not like it happens all the time. i had 2 SB900 that were awful for overheating issues.

The only issue with Godox flash I have had is the hotshoe but that seems to only be an issue with the Sony mount due to Sony's stupid design rather than an issue with Godox itself.
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I agree with you, the Nikon (and other makes of dedicated flashguns) were seriously overpriced, back in the days when there was little if any competition.
And the SB-900 had a serious overheating problem, but my SB-700 has never overheated. The SB-900 claimed to have a higher guide number than the SB-700, but this was due to false marketing, it had lower real power than the SB-700 but they came up with a theoretically higher guide number simply because it had a longer zoom.

My point is that the flashguns of today are over-priced, over-complicated and far too fiddly, aggravated by the over-complicated flash triggers. Compared to other electronics, it's a rip off.
 
Garry Edwards said:
My point is that the flashguns of today are over-priced, over-complicated and far too fiddly, aggravated by the over-complicated flash triggers. Compared to other electronics, it's a rip off.
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I disagree.

You can buy a really good on camera flash for under £130 now. They have never been cheaper. Based on inflation and comparing to the price of the SB700 back then they should be about £700-800.
 
The latest Godox triggers and flashes with touch screens, such as the V480, are very simple and easy to use as long as you are ok with touch screens :)
 
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