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A friend of my wife is with her husband on a nineteen-day Mediterranean cruise and they were confined to their cabin for three days due to Norovirus on the ship. This norovirus is quite common which is another reason we don't go on cruises these days. When that isolation expired they went ashore in Alacante and the husband felt a tug at the back of his trousers. He had his wallet in a rear pocket that was buttoned up but the wallet was stolen. After calling the bank they were told that €40 had been spent on it.

When my wife and myself are out and about abroad she keeps my wallet,along with hers, in a small shoulder bag that sits on her front at waist level. I recall catching up with my brother-in-law in Gloucester city centre years ago after seeing him walking infront of me and he had his cheque book sticking out of his trouser back pocket. A lot of people have their mobiles sticking out of a jeans rear pocket.
 
We went on our first cruise this year and as we were specifically warned about pickpockets in Italy we tried to be careful. All valuables in zipped bags held in front of us when people were around. It's almost as if the police should swamp the areas, put a stop to it and punish those responsible. Just a thought but that's probably against the thieves human rights. I have to say that I found the persistent and even agressive tat salesmen more annoying than the thought of pickpockets. We enjoyed the cruise so much we'll be hopefully going on another next year.

On ship illness is a real worry and for me so are plane infections. I'm sure I caught a bug on our flight back, it lasted a week and it wasn't very nice.

I have to say, I hate flying. I can't see how anyone enjoys it.
 
I have to say, I hate flying. I can't see how anyone enjoys it.


I despise it, it terrifies me tbh! Every time. We're trying to plan a getaway , since our daughter passed, we need it! But I feel like I'm being the sticky one, moaning about flying, and trying to get her good self to keep at least within a 4hr flight radius :/

But no matter where we decide to go, I will always do my research on the area. I watch a lot of YT vids and often Vloggers who highlight precisely this issue - pick pockets/scammers

Paris and Milan for example are notorious for both, so we're avoiding any place like that.
 
All popular tourist areas have a pickpocket problems, I wear either cargo trousers or shorts and ever since I caught a scrote trying to lift my wallet out of my back pocket I now keep both my wallet and mobile phone in the zipped side leg pocket.
 
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I couldn’t imagine going on a cruise with so many people be my worst nightmare too, but everyone is different and wouldn't criticise anyone, maybe I’m antisocial :banana:
 
A friend of my wife is with her husband on a nineteen-day Mediterranean cruise and they were confined to their cabin for three days due to Norovirus on the ship. This norovirus is quite common which is another reason we don't go on cruises these days. When that isolation expired they went ashore in Alacante and the husband felt a tug at the back of his trousers. He had his wallet in a rear pocket that was buttoned up but the wallet was stolen. After calling the bank they were told that €40 had been spent on it.

When my wife and myself are out and about abroad she keeps my wallet,along with hers, in a small shoulder bag that sits on her front at waist level. I recall catching up with my brother-in-law in Gloucester city centre years ago after seeing him walking infront of me and he had his cheque book sticking out of his trouser back pocket. A lot of people have their mobiles sticking out of a jeans rear pocket.

Yes I see that and don’t understand why people put their phone in their back pocket, just asking for trouble
 
Going on a cruse is my worst nightmare , Confined on a ship with 100s of people wanting the best holiday ever
Not even if it was offered free
I could manage on a small ship with up to about 20 passengers but definitely not on a cruise where there are hundreds and sometimes thousands of passengers.

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I despise it, it terrifies me tbh! Every time.

It doesn't frighten me. I've had a couple of rough landings including the last one when I was convinced we had gone off the runway. I just put my faith in the professionals at the controls and trusted in them.

What I hate are the cramped gosh awful conditions when you're stuffed in like sardines and can't get comfortable while the child behind screams or kicks the back of your seat the whole flight and the woman in front keeps violently adjusting her seat back. Then there's the airports where there's nowhere to sit for the two hours you were told to be there before check in opens. And the often awful food. And having to pay for a seat. And people forcing the oversized bags that they've somehow got on board into the overhead storage crushing my bag. And everyone who walks passed me when I'm sat in the aisle seat whacking me. And when the plane has landed I hate people taking their seat belts off and standing up in the aisle knowing full well that no one is going to be able to move for another 5 minutes. And just the logistics and costs of getting to and from the airport and parking at the airport.

I hate it, all of it. I just can't imagine anyone enjoying this gosh awful process and experience. I hate it.
 
Going on a cruse is my worst nightmare , Confined on a ship with 100s of people wanting the best holiday ever
Not even if it was offered free

We loved it. Mrs WW loves her food and was overjoyed to have 10 restaurants to choose from. We loved the views and going to different places, the weather, we loved just being on the ship which was spotlessly clean and tidy.
 
I couldn’t imagine going on a cruise with so many people be my worst nightmare too, but everyone is different and wouldn't criticise anyone, maybe I’m antisocial :banana:

You don't have to socialise with other passengers. TBH we spent more time talking to the staff than other passengers.
 
We went on our first cruise this year and as we were specifically warned about pickpockets in Italy we tried to be careful. All valuables in zipped bags held in front of us when people were around. It's almost as if the police should swamp the areas, put a stop to it and punish those responsible. Just a thought but that's probably against the thieves human rights. I have to say that I found the persistent and even agressive tat salesmen more annoying than the thought of pickpockets. We enjoyed the cruise so much we'll be hopefully going on another next year.

On ship illness is a real worry and for me so are plane infections. I'm sure I caught a bug on our flight back, it lasted a week and it wasn't very nice.

I have to say, I hate flying. I can't see how anyone enjoys it.

Agree with all that.Despite all the advice people still carry wallets and the like in their back pockets. We've also caught 'nasties' on flights. I have mentioned it on here before about a friend who became seriously ill with a respiratory infection caught on a US flight. It stopped him taking flights for years. Re enjoying flights. I don't think people would say they 'enjoy' them, not to mention the 'trauma' sometimes at airports prior to flights, they just have to take them if they want to go abroad if they don't want to drive. They would have to fly to an island..eg the Canaries. When I talk of wishing I'd lived in mainland Europe..not just for the. three years I was in Germany, one aspect would be having the option to drive to other European countries. With Schengen countries you wouldn't even need to stop at the border crossings.

I've heard that Italy..Rome, Milan can be bad but Barcelona has a really bad reputation for theft (pickpockets) and scams. A list of cities to be wary in. Be wary in any city but these in particular. https://www.internationaltraveller.com/europe/hotspots-for-being-pickpocketed/

Maybe you'll enjoy Youtube videos by a Czech man called 'Honest Guide".He travels within Europe highlighting the scams and calling out pickpockets . I've watched a lot and they certainly raise awareness and,no doubt, save those who watch them having bad experiences.

This link will give you access to many of his videos so just choose a couple. Problem is they can be addictive..:)


For example: Collecting for a deaf charity.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBe6qONQq0U&list=PLM9_KZNJw8qFx2I_9o_rH_P7iiBX-mYu9&index=2
 
I couldn’t imagine going on a cruise with so many people be my worst nightmare too, but everyone is different and wouldn't criticise anyone, maybe I’m antisocial :banana:
It's not being anti-social atall. It's difficult to get away from people on a cruise ship especially those with 3000-4000 passengers.

With many cruise ships you wouldn't even know you were on a ship. They are often described as floating cities. Royal Caribbean's 'Icon of the Seas' and 'Star of the Seas' have capacity for 7,600 passengers. There are cruises with only 1000 passengers but, as you can imagine, they're expensive.
 
Going on a cruse is my worst nightmare , Confined on a ship with 100s of people wanting the best holiday ever
Not even if it was offered free
My bold:

As you see in my post above ..it's no longer' hundreds' but tens of thousands.I also like a decent-sized room to sleep in not a smaillish cabin with a shower squeezed in and as for going on a cruise in any other cabin than one with a balcony...to get asway from it all..I woukdn't even think of it. We've had two Caribbean cruises and an Alaskan cruise all with Royal Caribbean. The Alaska cruise was the best one.
 
Our cabin was a bit small but adequate and apart from sleeping we didn't spend much time in it as there were more interesting and more scenic places to be like outside on deck or in one of ths many eating and drinking places. We both loved it and will be going again even if it does mean also having the hateful experience of flying.

I did want a cabin with a balcony but Mrs WW didn't and although if we had one I would sit on it I'm not bothered now as I think it's better on deck.
 
Fortunately, apart from some work flights between Birmingham and Belfast some years ago, all of my more recent holiday flights have been in Business class, thanks to racking up a huge number of frequent flyer miles for work travel in the past. However I still hate airports and the whole process of commercial flying now, and would only entertain it if otherwise unavoidable and business class not possible.
I've never taken a cruise as such, but with my parents and sister we did sail from London to Japan via Panama on a cargo passenger ship (12 passengers) in 1970. Huge staterooms, superb food, but to be fair not much entertainment on a 28 day voyage. Plenty to watch en route through the Caribbean, but otherwise nothing. Cruises do not appeal to me at all though, but I can see why some people like them.

My idea of a wonderful holiday travelling to a number of countries would be by rail. Eurostar from London to Brussels, Paris or Amsterdam, connecting to either French or Spanish or Italian long distance routes, to stay in various interesting places, not just big cities.

I've only had one pickpocketing attempt, in Windhoek, Namibia; the young lad was pretending to show me a newspaper to buy whilst trying to get into the leg pocket of my cargo trousers., but I felt his hand there, knocked it away and swore very loudly in German at him which made him run. Thankfully I've been secure everywhere else. In south America, for example, I arranged cars to meet me at the airport with the hotels, so that I didn't get the risk of a dodgy cabby.
 
It doesn't frighten me. I've had a couple of rough landings including the last one when I was convinced we had gone off the runway. I just put my faith in the professionals at the controls and trusted in them.

What I hate are the cramped gosh awful conditions when you're stuffed in like sardines and can't get comfortable while the child behind screams or kicks the back of your seat the whole flight and the woman in front keeps violently adjusting her seat back. Then there's the airports where there's nowhere to sit for the two hours you were told to be there before check in opens. And the often awful food. And having to pay for a seat. And people forcing the oversized bags that they've somehow got on board into the overhead storage crushing my bag. And everyone who walks passed me when I'm sat in the aisle seat whacking me. And when the plane has landed I hate people taking their seat belts off and standing up in the aisle knowing full well that no one is going to be able to move for another 5 minutes. And just the logistics and costs of getting to and from the airport and parking at the airport.

I hate it, all of it. I just can't imagine anyone enjoying this gosh awful process and experience. I hate it.
A few points,Alan. Well..I'll respond to all your points because they are all valid and clearly resonate with you. They did make me smile, though.

Re putting your trust in the pilots. Not just the pilots but the manufacturer, too. Boeing has been accused of cutting corners and of having a toxic internal culture. When we first went with Tui I noted that the plane was a Boeing 737 Max 8 .As they had been grounded after a couple of crashes, I had faith that the auto-pilot problem had been resolved. It has.We've flown many times on that plane since the two crashes. Ethiopean Airlines and Lion Air.

An expert said this in an interview in relation to the Ethiopean Airways crash. He's saying that Boeing convinced those companies and National Carriers buying it that as the plane is so similar to the previous age-old 737 model that Boeing didn't need the expense of re-training the pilots. Ie More profit.



Expert said this in interview.
I mean, Boeing -- it is said that Boeing wanted to be able to say to customers, you don't need to retrain your pilots, because they wanted it to be cost-effective. They wanted it to be a fast changeover for these airlines.They basically tried to add these new fuel-efficient engines onto an aging airframe. The plane wasn't designed for this kind of engine. They had to sacrifice some flight characteristics in order to get it to work.

Ethiopean Airlines. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47553174

Lion Air https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50177788

Re airports. Because of the delay through biometrics they want you at the airport, not two hours, but three hours before take-off .It can be and often is very stressful; My wife hates it,too...but she loves the hotels we go to.

Onboard Food. We buy a sandwich to have on board .I see passengers with sandwiches they made at home.At Birmingham there's M&S..Greggs..Giraff.. Pret A Mnager. All sell good quality sandwiches. I love Greggs sausage rolls..

Seat surcharge. We pay £10-15 extra for seats so I know I have a full or at least 75% window view .. for photos.I have a list of those seat numbers and they are at the front so we get off quickly. Every time, passengers in the aisle have let us out . We book seats-1-8 excluding seat 6. Past 9 are over the wings. No good for getting photos of the Alps or Pyrenees or approaching landing. After the wings there's the engine exhaust causing a heat haze.I don't know how far back that travels..quite a way,I suspect.

Bag Overheads. I also wonder at the size of some carry-on. They do take a look when you book in you suitcases. I'm allowed my camera bag under the seat infront. Next April we're booked to Madeira and we could have had the first row but my wife helpfully pointed out, after I said 'great' that our hand luggage would have to go in the overhead because,of course, there is no seat infront to put them under. We booked row 2 seats A&B. We have small carry-on.

Getting whacked.. Yes..elbows...lol. Passengers going to and from the loo, especially people who haven't experienced a diet for years.

Children screaming . Yers but mainly babies. I've seen..rather 'heard'...lol.. 4 month old babies screaming for ages. The mum or dad take them on an aisle walk to the front,to the back and repeat until said baby falls asleep. I don't think taking a 4-6 month old on a flight is very sensible tbh. There's pressure to think of and a few other issues. Can you imagine being 16 weeks into this world and you are taken up a flight of steps into a metal tube, full of huge strangers and then squeezed into a seat with mum(usually) who then puts a belt across you and minutes later the tube makes a a lot of banging and a terrifying noise and is lifted into the air making you feel strange and your ears hurt. Why are mummy and daddy doing this to me ? :help: I want to go home..............:)

Seats eased back. Yes. That's really annoying and very selfish. The cabin staff need to look out for that. On our last flight the large man in the aisle seat infront let his seat back several inches making the space between it and the man in our row aisle seat much smaller but,as he slept most of the time, it didn't bother him . His wife was in the aisle seat opposite. A lot of couples do that. On a flight back from Italy one year, I was in my window seat and the window wasn't quite square but slightly infront and a section was in the row infront. The 14/15 year old girl there just pulled the blind down not aware...I would hope..that I was photographing the Alps. I just pushed it back up.

Standing in the aisle when it lands. Yes..they just want to stretch their legs and arfe relieverd the ordeal is over...for now. I don't think it's so much to do with getting off early.

Costs to get to airport. Agree. It's costly. We pay £100 each way to B'gham for a taxi. 50-50 we stay in a hotel at the airport for an early flight...eg 0700-1300. It could be a disaster trusting the motorways... M5 & M42 will run without incident. Buying breakfast (sometimes)..a sandwich to take on the plane..and water. Lastly..A tourist tax is being imposed upon arrival at the hotel. I paid €25 at the Riu Palace hotel, Madeira last year. I was unaware of it until I was asked to pay.

You didn't mention this but there's the queue to get through security. Staff can be nice or 'orrible...lol. I now wear elasticated lightweight trousers because belts have to come off and my trousers always started slipping when I have to put both arms out to my side ,legs apart going through the x-ray machine...or metal detector,whatever. You think it's over until you're in another long queue to show your passport and boarding pass before..if you're lucky.. going down the tunnel to the plane or just outside the terminal for a very short walk..50m.. to the plane..if not then onto a bus..mainly standing ..where you're so crushed up to other people it can be hard to breathe. Getting in your plane seat is a relief...lol.

You know what, Alan...? You're right.....So..I've just shouted out to my wife to cancel the holidays abroad that we've booked....:D In July we're going to Altbea,Loch Ewe... near Mallaig for a week and then onto Southerness on Solway Firth for another week where I can visit RSPB Mereshead .....Can't wait...lol.
 
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It doesn't frighten me. I've had a couple of rough landings including the last one when I was convinced we had gone off the runway. I just put my faith in the professionals at the controls and trusted in them.

What I hate are the cramped gosh awful conditions when you're stuffed in like sardines and can't get comfortable while the child behind screams or kicks the back of your seat the whole flight and the woman in front keeps violently adjusting her seat back. Then there's the airports where there's nowhere to sit for the two hours you were told to be there before check in opens. And the often awful food. And having to pay for a seat. And people forcing the oversized bags that they've somehow got on board into the overhead storage crushing my bag. And everyone who walks passed me when I'm sat in the aisle seat whacking me. And when the plane has landed I hate people taking their seat belts off and standing up in the aisle knowing full well that no one is going to be able to move for another 5 minutes. And just the logistics and costs of getting to and from the airport and parking at the airport.

I hate it, all of it. I just can't imagine anyone enjoying this gosh awful process and experience. I hate it.


I should have put 'it also firghtens me' but yeah, agree on all the rest. I hate when people say "it's only a 3hr flight" - never mentioning the 5hrs spent in packed lines in stuffy airports AFTER making your way to the airport with your baggage, or running for your gate because you just realised it's half a mile away!!! All the while stressing that you forgot something
 
It doesn't frighten me. I've had a couple of rough landings including the last one when I was convinced we had gone off the runway. I just put my faith in the professionals at the controls and trusted in them.

What I hate are the cramped gosh awful conditions when you're stuffed in like sardines and can't get comfortable while the child behind screams or kicks the back of your seat the whole flight and the woman in front keeps violently adjusting her seat back. Then there's the airports where there's nowhere to sit for the two hours you were told to be there before check in opens. And the often awful food. And having to pay for a seat. And people forcing the oversized bags that they've somehow got on board into the overhead storage crushing my bag. And everyone who walks passed me when I'm sat in the aisle seat whacking me. And when the plane has landed I hate people taking their seat belts off and standing up in the aisle knowing full well that no one is going to be able to move for another 5 minutes. And just the logistics and costs of getting to and from the airport and parking at the airport.

I hate it, all of it. I just can't imagine anyone enjoying this gosh awful process and experience. I hate it.

I love flying.... And thanks to my frequent flyer status I get to enjoy it even more..... Priority check-in means no queuing for us and we get free lounge access at Manchester, Doha and Bangkok plus we get priority boarding meaning we're guaranteed space in the overhead storage above our seats.... We get welcomed onboard and get to pre-order our meals before trolley service....

And I'm one of those that gets up and out of the seats quickly.... Due to suffering spinal problems I need to get up and stretch after being sat for a long time....

Yep, I love flying!!!
 
Eurostar and other mainland European train companies work for us.
All border checks carried out at departure, plentiful baggage allowance and decent seating.
We do usually travel Eurostar Plus for a bit more space since my wife fractured her hip.
The sleeper train service is also booming in Europe so plenty of destinations within reach.
 
My wife and I visit Madeira twice a year, we often have a beer (or 2/3 ) at cafe at the cruise ship harbour, she looks at the ships in and counts the lifeboats hanging along the side, she then tells me there isn’t sufficient space on them for the crew never mind the 000,s of passengers, and the there doesn’t seem to be enough small lifeboats in barrels(her description) on the sides so no way cruising for her. Happy with a free 30 minute trip by bus to the airport door and a 3 or 4 hour flight to a taxi to the hotel, customs notwithstanding, second trip to Italy this year, so we’ll find out if the picture/fingerprint system remembers us. Early morning flights means after the wheels come inboard the engined drone sends me to sleep and to me flights are over in no time.
I have a couple of pair of shorts that have a pocket inside the waistband big enough for a credit card wallet and some cash, if they tried to get that I reckon I’d notice. :cool:
 
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Eurostar and other mainland European train companies work for us.
All border checks carried out at departure, plentiful baggage allowance and decent seating.
We do usually travel Eurostar Plus for a bit more space since my wife fractured her hip.
The sleeper train service is also booming in Europe so plenty of destinations within reach.
I took Eurostar to Amsterdam to see my son a couple of weeks ago. Economy on the way out and Plus on the way back. £146. With train fares to London from Manchester the cost was £210.

Much more civilised than Easyjet out of MAN and cheaper too.
 
I took Eurostar to Amsterdam to see my son a couple of weeks ago. Economy on the way out and Plus on the way back. £146. With train fares to London from Manchester the cost was £210.

Much more civilised than Easyjet out of MAN and cheaper too.
Just booked direct to Rotterdam Plus returns, went to Alkmaar last year via Amsterdam on Eurostar.
Never got off at Rotterdam so no idea what the border control is like there, only one we haven't sampled.
 
There is a terrific venue in Rotterdam. The Nederlands Fotomuseum, the National Museum of Photography
Thanks Morris, this is our third visit to Rotterdam, but must admit I haven't been there.
First time direct though, changed in Brussels the last two times and went onwards by the Thalys (now Eurostar) service,
Bet I still don't get a good photo of those Cube Houses, very interesting inside if you are ever there.
 
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