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Hi All as you may be aware I bought a couple of Canon's one 10D which is only fit for spares and has now been sold with this purpous in mind and the 20D which is in very good condition apart from the fact it needs a new shutter mech (I think).
On switching the camera on the shutter continually actuates and ERR 99 flashes (sometimes) in the top LCD and no other functions will operate apart from the CF card light flashes if theres a card inserted, I only paid £60 for the pair with the intention of getting one out of the two functioning and the 20D looked the better camera.

I have been quoted £130 to have a new shutter fitted by a London firm but could really do with some sound advice form someone who knows Canon's.....this is where you may help, am I mad to put £130 into this camera or should I just sell it as parts.

Any advice will be gratefully accepted.

Pete
 
For £190 you have a great camera there, which just a few years ago was The Camera for some top wedding togs. I still have one as a spare and it still takes great pictures. although it's a dinosaur compared with my 5D2. Prefer to have this than say a 350/450D.
 
NigelPaul said:
For £190 you have a great camera there, which just a few years ago was The Camera for some top wedding togs. I still have one as a spare and it still takes great pictures. although it's a dinosaur compared with my 5D2. Prefer to have this than say a 350/450D.
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This is what I was thinking but it would be more like £150 and as I have always been a Nikon man this really is my first steps into Canon, I know the problems with Nikon and what can and cannot be corrected so thats the reason I am asking advice.......I know nothing about Canon:help:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Under £40 for the parts if you're feeling brave :lol:
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Glad you posted this Graham, I think the problem isnt the shutter unless this makes the mirror actuate but I cant see if the shutter is opening as it seems to be set at a high speed but the mirror is actuating (does this mean I need new mirror too) I know the mirror and shutter are connected but will the mirror continually actuate on its own or does this still mean the shutter is UA
 
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When I first started getting into photography I started with Nikon 35mm SLR's and know how nice Nikons are. The D100 DSLR didn't do it for me however and that's why I'm with Canon now. Today, Nykons at the higher end are considered a little better than there Canon counterparts, but they will always be much of a muchness. In the days of the 20D it was when Canon was slightly ahead of Nikons, if you get what I mean. :-)
 
NigelPaul said:
When I first started getting into photography I started with Nikon 35mm SLR's and know how nice Nikons are. The D100 DSLR didn't do it for me however and that's why I'm with Canon now. Today, Nykons at the higher end are considered a little better than there Canon counterparts, but they will always be much of a muchness. In the days of the 20D it was when Canon was slightly ahead of Nikons, if you get what I mean. :-)
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I have had quite a few D200'S and a very nice D2X but always found that when comparing photos, Canons images are much nicer untill you start going into the big money cameras and lenses, then the D3 and upwards do come into their own category and blow the lower stuff away
 
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"The national law firm of Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP, is currently investigating consumer complaints concerning the Canon EOS 20D digital camera. The complaints include allegations that the Canon EOS 20D model prematurely fails either right before or right after the one-year warranty period ends.

We are reviewing complaints concerning problems with the shutter system of the digital camera. Specifically, the camera shutter of the EOS 20D digital camera allegedly begins to fire repeatedly until the camera battery is removed. Once the shutter problem arises, the only way to resolve the issue is to send the camera to the manufacturer for repair at the cost of the consumer."
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I think with 20D's its pot luck on when they go, but they will go. My friend bought his new back in the day, and after about 40,000 actuations it gave up. I bought mine used a couple of months ago to replace my 10D and going from the file numbers its done about 60,000 actuations. Think it was in semi pro hands from the amount of wear its got on the hotshoe and on the corners, but it works fine for me.

Just a thought, I paid a little under £150 for mine from MBP with a warranty, rather then paying to have yours repaired have you thought of selling it on as spares/repairs or part exing it for an approved, warrantied used one?
 
Another bit of digging suggests that it might just be down to a gummed up or failing/failed shutter button, in which case it could be a free, or at worst cheap, diy repair....
 
I am beginning to think this will be a good camera with a new shutter and last a fair few years if the replacement shutter mechs are better designed like the one Graham has found
 
Right then, so should I sell it as bits or ressurect it and use it??????????
 
That video is quick..........but it shows the problem well and how to solve it, may just get a new shutter and have a go myself but give myself a day not 5 mins:lol:
 
Eurohitech..........anyone heard of them and if so are they good, these are the company who can do it
 
Dangermouse1964 said:
I have been quoted £130 to have a new shutter fitted by a London firm but could really do with some sound advice form someone who knows Canon's.....t
Pete
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Hope you don't mind me going off on a tangent here but have you any idea whether this is a typical shutter replacement cost or does it vary a lot depending on the model ?
 
Just working things out here

Cameras cost £60 for the pair (excluding del)
10D sold for £41 parts only which means I paid £19 for the 20D and it is a very nice camera and only shows signs of shutter failure, but as shown in the threads Graham has posted could mean nothing or it could mean a bit more but the obvious is shutter failure and untill this is rectified no other functions on the camera will work, I have the camera here in front of me and to be honest it looks like a very lightly used camera, even the LCD and TFT are mint, I would personally look at saving it if someone dropped it by me asking whether to scrap or save it......so on those words I think a new shutter should be fitted.......professionally
 
dinners said:
Hope you don't mind me going off on a tangent here but have you any idea whether this is a typical shutter replacement cost or does it vary a lot depending on the model ?
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I dont know to be honest the quote I got was £129 fitted but just go into the site and put in the details and they email the quote and then phone you to confirm it and thats the last you hear unless you accept the quote
 
Just googled them to find reviews and they are Canon trained and recommended, but havent looked far enough to see if theres any BUTS but they seem very good Phil
 
You are welcome Phil, just done some more digging and they seem quite reputable with a lot of years repairing cameras.
I am going to phone them in the morning and find out if the camera is tested before new parts are fitted and if other parts are required and if they have any policies to contact you before fitting the parts and such so will let you know in the morning
 
Dangermouse1964 said:
Just working things out here

Cameras cost £60 for the pair (excluding del)
10D sold for £41 parts only which means I paid £19 for the 20D and it is a very nice camera and only shows signs of shutter failure, but as shown in the threads Graham has posted could mean nothing or it could mean a bit more but the obvious is shutter failure and untill this is rectified no other functions on the camera will work, I have the camera here in front of me and to be honest it looks like a very lightly used camera, even the LCD and TFT are mint, I would personally look at saving it if someone dropped it by me asking whether to scrap or save it......so on those words I think a new shutter should be fitted.......professionally
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Sensible reasoning that no one could argue with, I'd do the same if in your shoes.
Also they should check/clean the shutter button and contacts when replacing the shutter mech, so thats two jobs done in one.
 
iancandler said:
Sensible reasoning that no one could argue with, I'd do the same if in your shoes.
Also they should check/clean the shutter button and contacts when replacing the shutter mech, so thats two jobs done in one.
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And the sensor, if it all goes pear shaped and the camera is buggad the bits that do work alone should bring in near enough what I have in it excluding the bit that doesnt work so I should be ok :thumbs:
 
Dangermouse1964 said:
You are welcome Phil, just done some more digging and they seem quite reputable with a lot of years repairing cameras.
I am going to phone them in the morning and find out if the camera is tested before new parts are fitted and if other parts are required and if they have any policies to contact you before fitting the parts and such so will let you know in the morning
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Cheers - I'm toying with the idea of selling my 40D which I've had from new as I love the 1D2 which I've got 2nd hand. I'd be gutted if the older shutter packed up on the 1D but I feel it's a body that would be worth having a new shutter should the worst happen. Knowing the cost of the fix would influence whether I sold the 40D or kept it tucked away.
 
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I dont know much about canon pro bodies or the 40d but are the shutters on the 1D series like Nikon and made from kevlar.....??? I thought Nikon copied Canon on that one
 
Dangermouse1964 said:
I dont know much about canon pro bodies or the 40d but are the shutters on the 1D series like Nikon and made from kevlar.....??? I thought Nikon copied Canon on that one
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I've no idea :thinking:

I can at least try and find out a cost from your previous link though. :thumbs:
 
It seems Canons Archilles seems to be low shutter life,so if you get them sorted you do have a good camera for a few years
 
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