Am I allowed to sell a software I bought with my student discount?

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I bought Aperture 2, wanting to give it a more thorough run than what the 30 days trial offered and I have to say I am a bit displeased with a few issues; but most of all I am very stuck on the work-flow method applied by Adobe Lightroom that I am finding Aperture to be annoying, no matter how hard I try to "unlearn" Lightroom.

I got Aperture 2, with my student discount, for just under £60 and I was wondering if I am legally allowed to sell it, since I don't want it!

Any feedback would be appreciated.
 
Is it a full copy e.g not a student licence?
 
Steve Smith said:
If it's yours you can do what you like with it.


Steve.
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That's not strictly true, some software, especially when it's a discounted version, will have in the terms and conditions that re-sale is not permitted (usually on those irritating screens with loads of text that you yawn at and click the 'Next' button....). I don't know about this case in particular, but I thought it might be worth a mention.......

Chris
 
I'd advise checking with Apple - if it is legal for you to sell it on to a non student, put my name on it. I am sure we can get to a deal.

Chris

(Possibly also resurrect our PMs from yesterday also)
 
It's a full version, there is no Student Version. The only thing is that Apple give really good discount to students, and even better discounts if you buy via an Internet connection from an Academic institution that has some sort of agreement with Apple.

In all cases, I've tried to find the End-User-License-Agreement (EULA) but for the life of me can't find anything to tell me that I can't sell it.

As a matter of fact, the documentations even state that I can make copies of the documentations for my own personal use. This isn't the case with all software.

Still, I don't want to be on the wrong side of the law. Also, I am not looking to sell it for any profit what so ever.

I just want to make sure I can dispose of it with no financial loss to me, or at least minimize the losses and move back to Lightroom.
 
Some MS programs are 'Not For Resale'.

NOT FOR RESALE SOFTWARE. Product
identified as "Not for Resale" or "NFR," may not be resold,
transferred or used for any purpose other than
demonstration, test or evaluation.

This may apply to Adobe and other manufacturers.
 
Thanks Bazza155, and that's exactly why I am asking about this.

This is an Apple application, and I've found nothing to say that I can't sell it. Still, I don't want to post a For Sale for something that I am not too sure I am allowed to sell.

Again, thanks for the heads-up :)
 
Wail said:
Thanks Bazza155, and that's exactly why I am asking about this.

This is an Apple application, and I've found nothing to say that I can't sell it. Still, I don't want to post a For Sale for something that I am not too sure I am allowed to sell.

Again, thanks for the heads-up :)
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I would say if its an unregistered/unopened version and its paid for and you bought it as a student then you are entitled to do what you want with it if there are no restrictions on the license:thumbs:
 
Thanks Dangermouse1964.

I forgot about the registering part, and I believe I've already registered it. Of course, it is opened and used. However, if I were to sell it then I would remove it .. I'd have no need for it since I want to go back to Lightroom.

It seems that the registration is the issue here. I will have to call Apple tomorrow and see what they say about this.

Thanks for bringing this to light.
 
Update

I've checked with Apple and since I've bought this as a student and have registered it, then I don't qualify for upgrade and I am not allowed to sell it either.

Thank you for all the feedback, and for those who've shown interest in buying it ... sorry I can't sell it to you.

I guess I am going to have to spend more time trying to learn to use this better, while learning to unlearn Lightroom at the same time.
 
Could you not give it to someone, after changing the registered email address to the person you give it to?

I am not condoning breaking the law here, but if it is yours, surely you can give it to someone if you choose to? That's not selling it, is it?
 
I didn't ask them about giving it to someone, but it seems that the student license is very restricted. Even though it's a full version, it is not upgradable!
 
General rule applies to all commercial software EULA's.
ie; You do not own the software, so cannot do what you like with it.
What you bought and paid for is the license to use it.
This is where the EULA applies.

Look in the EULA for 'Transfer of License'
There are many conditions that can allow for this (for example you bought a new computer because the old one had a meltdown - so need to transfer the license)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Sometimes it's better not to ask these things.......:naughty:
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So very true. However, if I was to sell this then I would have advertised it here. Didn't want to be doing this and breaking any laws.



sledger said:
General rule applies to all commercial software EULA's.
ie; You do not own the software, so cannot sell it.
What you bought and paid for is the license to use it.

Look in the EULA for 'Transfer of License'
There are many conditions that can allow for this (for example you bought a new computer because the old one had a meltdown - so need to transfer the license)
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Exactly :thumbs:, but (a) there has been no EULA attached with the documentation, none what so ever; (b) I've tried to search the application's Help and all other menus to find this without any success .. hence why I've had to ask there.


I've come to accept that I am "stuck" with this; so, will be giving it a try for a bit longer may be I will get to like it :shrug:
 
3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of
your license rights to the Apple Software to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all
its component parts, original media, printed materials and this License; (b) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial,
including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (c) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the
terms and conditions of this License. All components of the Apple Software are provided as part of a bundle and may not be separated from
the bundle and distributed as standalone applications.
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APERTURE SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
 
Excellent :thumbs:, and thank you so much for digging that out.

I will get back to Apple with this, since they've told me that I couldn't sell my copy :shrug:.


Again, thank you for digging this out.
 
Wail, reading what has been quoted, i wouldnt get in touch with apple, just sell it on. i get the impression it would get very confusing as they are saying something different to the EULA:shrug:
 
Well, it seems that I will give this one last run before I decide on keeping it or ditching it.

A couple of the issues I've been having with Aperture 2, with my MacBook, is that it is very slow and closes (crashes) all of a sudden. What I will do, is give it a run on my new MacBook Pro., when I get that. If it runs fine (speed and crash-wise), then I will keep it, otherwise I will put it up for sale immediately.


Thank you all :thumbs:, for your feedback, time and for effort in digging out the stuff for me.
 
Just for your reference. Adobe do have a software licence release scheme. I had some software installed on one of our work PCs and then decided not to keep it and sell it on instead. Adobe simply sent me a form to fill in which meant me promising to uninstall it and then passing this form onto the new owner of the software. so that they could legally register it. All easily done.
 
The EULA says you can transfer it, not sell it, and only to another Eligible Educational End User.

Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts, original media, printed materials and this License; (b) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (c) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this License. All components of the Apple Software are provided as part of a bundle and may not be separated from the bundle and distributed as standalone applications.

Academic Copies: If the Apple Software retail package is labeled "Academic Single User", you must be an Eligible Educational End User to use the Apple Software. "Eligible Educational End Users" means students, faculty, staff and administration attending and/or working at an educational institutional facility (i.e., college campus, public or private K-12 schools).

Saying all that, Apple are not really going to know if the person you transfer to makes a private donation to you :naughty:
 
Wail said:
A couple of the issues I've been having with Aperture 2, with my MacBook, is that it is very slow and closes (crashes) all of a sudden.
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How much memory have you got in your MacBook, and have you applied the 2.1.2 Update?

It was a bit flakey on my MB to begin with, but after upgrading to 2Gb memory and the above patch, I don't have too many problems with it now.
 
theMusicMan said:
Could you not give it to someone, after changing the registered email address to the person you give it to?

I am not condoning breaking the law here, but if it is yours, surely you can give it to someone if you choose to? That's not selling it, is it?
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Hmmm. Yes you are!:razz:

I suspect that he hasnt bought the software. He has bough a non-transferable licence to use it.

Sure, the reality is that he could sell it or 'give it away', but that would be in breech of the licence that he agreed and probably all those new copyright laws that pile up all over the place.

It is very rare for software itself to be sold these days. What is sold is the right to use. Just like all those bods who 'sell' their images.
 
Jim.R said:
How much memory have you got in your MacBook, and have you applied the 2.1.2 Update?

It was a bit flakey on my MB to begin with, but after upgrading to 2Gb memory and the above patch, I don't have too many problems with it now.
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I have 2GB RAM on my 2.1GHz MacBook; and yes Aperture is version 2.1.2 that's installed on my machine.

Thanks for the suggestion, I am guessing that maybe the size of my library is what's causing the problem. That, or that I am not using a very efficient archiving method.

Eitherway, I am not too concerned with the speed right now .. I am about to order the new 17" MacBook Pro., which I hope will be fast enough :shrug:


TG. said:
:agree: ;)
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Very true, but seeing that I have no one to pass this on to (which I did with my license of Lightroom 1), I was looking to see if I could sell this. If so, then I was going to post the Sale here. Now, I wouldn't want to be posting a "For Sale" for an item that I have no right to sell. Hence why I've brought up the subject.



who? said:
Hmmm. Yes you are!:razz:

I suspect that he hasnt bought the software. He has bough a non-transferable licence to use it.

Sure, the reality is that he could sell it or 'give it away', but that would be in breech of the licence that he agreed and probably all those new copyright laws that pile up all over the place.

It is very rare for software itself to be sold these days. What is sold is the right to use. Just like all those bods who 'sell' their images.
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I bought this application, now whatever that means in a legal term (did I buy the license to use it, the license to install it .. ) whatever :shrug:.

It's a full version, but under the Student discount via the Apple & University Campus agreement, where the discount is a lot bigger than the normal student discount you could get from the Apple store (the student discount at the Apple store only gives you 10% off).

Case here, Aperture retails for just about £110, for students via an Apple store it's about £100; through the Apple & Campus agreement (you have to log into Apple's site through a proxy of an Apple recognised academic institution, via your student ID), doing it this way Aperture comes at about £55. That's a good 50% discount.

Apparently, it's this that's causing me the problems. Had I bought it from a store then I would have been able to pass it on; but because of the scheme under which I bough it, it seems that I cannot do anything with this if I no longer want it.
 
there are good reasons wehy some of us like open source.
 
There is nothing wrong with Open Source, and I've happily used many such applications for my computers and PDAs; however I very much doubt there is such a powerful DAM application that is Open Source. If there is, please point me in that direction and I will happily give it a checkout.
 
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