Beginners macro lens..options

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Hi all

Still fairly new to DSLR photography , just a bit of advice please

I have a 500d with a 18-55IS,a 50mm 1.8 and a tamron 70-300mm as my kit

I have not been happy with the IQ of the Tamron at full zoom, so after reading reviews...have just bought a 55-250IS for £100 off ebay

My dilemma now is....I don't have a macro lens...do i keep the tamron for macro work (I'd probably get £60-£80 for this on ebay), which was probably it's best point....

or do i buy a 'macro' lens, and if so which one to compliment my set

Cheers

Russ
 
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I've been looking at and thinking about a "proper" macro lens for a while. Almost bought one this afternoon in fact. But think i've talked myself out of it for now.

While i like the idea of macro, i don't know how much i'll really use it, and so intend to do some improvised macro for a while to see if it's worth getting a good (and expensive) macro lens. I'm planning to use a 1x and 2x close-up filter on my 55-250mm IS kit lens, and maybe also try extension tubes (but haven't looked into those in any detail yet). I can do this all for a few tens of £, rather than the ~£400-500 i was considering spending on either the Canon 100mm f/2.8 USM or the Sigma 150mm f/2.8 HSM (which i've come to the conclusion would be my two options if i was to get a proper macro lens). Obviously using close-up filters sacrifices image quality, but probably not bad enough to pay £400+ to find out that actually i never see anything small that i want to take a photo of!

Not sure if that helps...?

David
 
Scuby, sounds like you're in a similar dilemma to me, the tamron offers good crisp 2:1 macros which is about all I want for bugs ect,I just don't know whether to keep this lens, which will be extra bulk in the bag for the few times I'll use it, or.. Opt for the macro converters and/or tubes, or get a prime specific to the job ?
 
Try a Raynox macro adapter - bargain 30 quid, off Amazon.

It's a more correctly a 'close-up supplementary lens' that clips on the front. Very easy to use and works well on lenses over about 50mm. There are two flavours, DCR-250 which will get you very close indeed, or the DCR-150 which is better for flowers and stuff. It may be all you ever need.

Here's what they can do - a few I prepared earlier :D http://www.flickr.com/groups/raynoxdcr250/
 
i am using a set of magnification filter and i am satisfied with them. Though its true that picture quality is somewhat compromised, they are good enough option for someone who is facing a dilemma of these sorts, for even less the 5 GBP.
 
:Sell the Tamron and get some autotubes for the 50mm, theres no glass in them to affect IQ and you will get better than 1:1 with a full set on your 50mm, you can also use them on your 55-250mm.

I'm using Kenko Auto Tubes 'DG' which are EF/EFS compatible you can get cheaper Ebay ones with the same functionality like these - (not endorsing the seller & you may find cheaper :) )
 
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Sell the Tamron and get some autotubes for the 50mm, theres no glass in them to affect IQ and you will get better than 1:1 with a full set on your 50mm, you can also use them on your 55-250mm.

where can you get 50mm fast prime and macro for under £130.00 :thumbs:

i think the 3rd party ones are EF so these will fit on the ef-s body :thinking:

i have some jessops ones AF confirm and they fitted my 400D ???? memorys going

Make sure there AF

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Merc
 
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BigRuss said:
Scuby, sounds like you're in a similar dilemma to me, the tamron offers good crisp 2:1 macros which is about all I want for bugs ect,I just don't know whether to keep this lens, which will be extra bulk in the bag for the few times I'll use it, or.. Opt for the macro converters and/or tubes, or get a prime specific to the job ?

While the Tamron may be marked as a "macro" lens, i think the Canon 55-250mm will actually give you a similar level of magnification if you use it on its longest focal length. So if you won't use your Tamron for other stuff, then it may not be of much benefit for macro either. Worth checking the numbers, but my 55-250mm is the one i use for "macro" at the minute. With a 2x close-up lens, the 250mm end will take a full size image of something 30mm wide, which is about 1:1 ( just slightly less) on a Canon crop sensor I believe... My close- up lenses were a few ££ from eBay for a set of four (1x, 2x, 4x and 10x) - though I won't use above 2x as the image quality degrades horrendously above that. But a 2x they're still good, and you could probably spend a little bit more to get something with much better optical quality. (and if you did get a 10x close-ip lens that you were happy with, the 55-250mm canon lens will fill the image with something 7mm wide!)

Not tried extension tubes yet - I get very confused when i look at them! :o(

David
 
Try a Raynox macro adapter - bargain 30 quid, off Amazon.

It's a more correctly a 'close-up supplementary lens' that clips on the front. Very easy to use and works well on lenses over about 50mm. There are two flavours, DCR-250 which will get you very close indeed, or the DCR-150 which is better for flowers and stuff. It may be all you ever need.

Here's what they can do - a few I prepared earlier :D http://www.flickr.com/groups/raynoxdcr250/

Good advice. If you are new to macro work then a Raynox close-up lens would be an economical way to see if macro photography "grabs" you. Quite possibly if it does grab you, you may want to upgrade to a dedicated macro lens. But jumping straight in with a £500 or so lens is a bit of an expensive experiment - not everyone gets on well with macros. I have been heavily into macros using close-up lenses for a couple of years and only now am thinking seriously about upgrading to a dSLR and a dedicated macro lens. YMMV of course.

I use the 250 and the 150, and also the Canon 500D close-up lens. They are all achromatic lenses, which use two pieces of glass (or I think three for the Raynox lenses) to cut down the chromatic aberration you tend to get with close-up filter sets where each filter only uses one piece of glass. All three can produce quite nice results, even on the small-sensor bridge camera I use (given some careful PP). Your 500D (camera) should do rather better.

I imagine you would use the close-up filter on your 55-250 - you may find there is some heavy vignetting on the 18-55 (not just light fall-off at the corners, but quite possibly a "looking through a porthole" effect).

The 250 is the most powerful of these three and best if you want to capture small insects or parts of insects (e.g. flies' eyes). The 150 is my favourite for insects, as I tend to capture middle-sized insects. The 500d is my favourite for flowers. It does vary though - I sometimes use the 150 for small flowers and the 500d (or straight telephoto with no close-up filter) for large insects. I tend to use the 250 for water droplet close-ups.

With a dedicated (prime, fixed focal length) macro lens you alter the framing/magnification by changing the distance to the subject, which is pretty straightforward. You need to be aware that there is a complication with using a close-up filter - you need to get the lens a particular distance from the subject to get a sharp image, and you alter the framing/magnification by changing the amount of zoom you are using. The required distance is around 4 inches for the 250 and around 6 inches for the 150. The 500D is less sensitive to the distance to the subject, but I use it at about 14 inches. This distance sensitivity makes these lenses more tricky to use than a dedicated (prime) macro lens, with the 250 being the most difficult. Unless you are only really interested in getting as close in as possible, I think the 150 is a good general purpose starter lens - it covers a nice range of sizes (at least for the insects and flowers in our garden) and is a bit more forgiving than the 250.

FWIW I have come to the conclusion that getting good light on the subject is as important as having good optics. I tried to use just available light for a long time but found my success rate and picture IQ improved a lot when I got a dedicated flash unit and spent some time working up DIY arrangements for diffusing and reflecting the light on to the subject. The improvements were not only when taking pictures in the all too common murky, overcast conditions we often get in this country, but also to my great surprise in bright weather, where using flash can help avoid the excessive contrasts you can get in bright sunshine.

Macro opened up a new world for me. Hope it does for you too.:)
 
Thanks for all your brilliant advice again guys, i think ill have a go with the raynox option first and see how i go.

Tamron now on e-bay if anybody interested :)

well happy with my swap for similar price hopefully

I found the tamron just wasn't crisp enough for me over about 220mm so i wont miss the extra 50mm

I'm hoping with the 55-250 ill be able to crop to a better quality than the tamron on full bore ? is this realistic
 
I got £89.99 + postage on e-bay for the tamrom :D....Jessops have got em brand new in the sale for £99.99 ...shhhhhh :D

Cost just 10 of you're english pounds for my upgrade...well chuffed

Raynox with my cash stuck in paypal me thinks :thumbs:
 
You'd better buy the macro lens if you like macro photography.
Some popular macro lenses will have the range from 60, 90 and 105mm.
One more thing if you want to go deeper into this kind of photography: you should have a flashgun or flashring.
 
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