best csc for iq
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Sony A7R unquestionably, 36Mp, No anti aliasing filter so ultra detailed, very good dynamic range and most of the time* bloody excellent tonality.
*Apparantly deep blue skies are a big no no for mine, need to further test this. (Good luck, I live in Gwynedd...)
*Apparantly deep blue skies are a big no no for mine, need to further test this. (Good luck, I live in Gwynedd...)
What do you need it for / what do you shoot with it? There are IQ differences especially if you jump sensor sizes. Newer MFT sensors might be within breathing distance and the Sony FF should be technically better but somehow I doubt that in most cases those differences are big enough to be the major factor in choosing. Handling, features and desirable lenses line up are probably more important.
I have the XE1 and love it. IQ is great but so is the IQ of my k5 and really liked what the RX100 produced too. I prefer the XE1 because the system strikse a balance of being small and light while being very easy to use. Also happens that Fuji hasn't made a single lens that is anything below very good and most of the lineup is exceptional.
I have the XE1 and love it. IQ is great but so is the IQ of my k5 and really liked what the RX100 produced too. I prefer the XE1 because the system strikse a balance of being small and light while being very easy to use. Also happens that Fuji hasn't made a single lens that is anything below very good and most of the lineup is exceptional.
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Fuji x pro1, sadly there's just not the lens range there for the sony's yet and the jury is still out on whether or not the iQ can beat the fuji's.
Also current offers mean you can get an X-Pro1 + 18mm plus your choice of 35mm or 60mm and the fuji grip for £999, given that those lenses would normaly come to over £800 its a major bargain.
Also current offers mean you can get an X-Pro1 + 18mm plus your choice of 35mm or 60mm and the fuji grip for £999, given that those lenses would normaly come to over £800 its a major bargain.
the Fuji at the moment IMO the A7 is better than the Fuji, BUT its also more expensive and as said hasnt got as many lenses available unless youre into legacy glass, then there are hundreds available. Tough choice.
18mm is £300 with CB, 35mm is £300 after CB so they arent quite worth £800. So lenses and grip are worth £650 NEW, making the camera a real bargain if you are keeping the lenses.
18mm is £300 with CB, 35mm is £300 after CB so they arent quite worth £800. So lenses and grip are worth £650 NEW, making the camera a real bargain if you are keeping the lenses.
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I haven't used the Sony however I love the X-Pro. The colours and images straight out of the camera are superb
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On APS-C format, the Fuji X-series sensors win overall IMHO. Very sharp, no moire, exceptional high ISO performance. Most of the others are also very good though, with the biggest difference in image quality terms being the lens (as always).
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I really wanted to like the Fuji's but a few issues stopped me including problems with raw - my CS5 / DNG combo gives a grid of dots over the image so I'd have had to buy new software - and the base ISO of 200 (for raw) and max shutter speed of 1/4000 meaning that ND's would be needed when shooting at even remotely wide apertures in good light. And, there were/are also lots of reviews and blogs stating that you have to adapt to the quirks of the camera and work with it whilst that may be fun personally I don't want to wrestle gear, I'd rather the gear wasn't in the way and so for me it's a case of Fuji getting frustratingly close but not close enough for me to risk buying one.
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I would absolutely agree with that. Has my Xpro1 since early November and have been very impressed with the output from it. I have owned various apsc and full frame dslr as well as another mirror less camera to compare it to.
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Suppose it depends on what software you are using. I use LR5 and PSE11 and my Fuji files work very well with them, no issues at all. I think also that all cameras have quirks or things you have to learn and get used to, I don't see the Fuji or any other camera as being any different here. Each to their own though.
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I think for me the Fuji has more than most, at least that's what I've picked up on when reading the various reviews and blogs. Certainly the Fuji's quirks seem to be commented upon quite a lot.
The only problem i found with using reviews & blogs,they very often don't include any of the updates and the Fuji range is very good at improving that way.
The Xpro-1 is really a great camera to use with the updates, and with more to come, the same with the other cameras in their range
I had a go with one theses the other day,they are well build the weight surprise me,the only thing IQ wise is when you push them to the higher iso,the Fuji and the Sony do a lot better
I had a go with one theses the other day,they are well build the weight surprise me,the only thing IQ wise is when you push them to the higher iso,the Fuji and the Sony do a lot better
The Fuji is good at Hi ISO BUT its not true ISO from what I understand, ISO 6400 is more like ISO 5000 on other cams.
Yep I believe its something to do with the way the Fuji sensor works, but its still a hell of a sensor, another really good sensor out their at high ISO is on the Sony nex 7
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I had a go with one theses the other day,they are well build the weight surprise me,the only thing IQ wise is when you push them to the higher iso,the Fuji and the Sony do a lot better
Again from Dp Review
And looking at the test shots on the review its difficult to tel much difference to the X pro1 HERE
Have they improved the focusing on the Fuji's as it was poor when I tested one with a 55 - 200 lens. They are nice cameras though.
Yep the focusing is a lot better on the Fuji now.
But thinking if you really want the best IQ say to compete with an FF DSLR, I think it would have to go to the new Sony the A7 & A7r but you need to invest in great lenses and shoot raw.
I still think you want fast focusing on longer lenses, your best bet is still an DSLR
In many ways we are very lucky with most cameras now with high ISO,i was reading an story about an famous war photographer during the Korean war, he was the only photographer going in with the first wave at the Inchon reservoir, the world press were waiting for his photos, they were going in in darkness, and the weather was really bad and he was so scared that he wasn't going to be able to get any shots, even those Leica had shipped out their fastest lens they had.
He got the shots just.
Nowadays with most cameras out their I don't think he would of had any problems
He got the shots just.
Nowadays with most cameras out their I don't think he would of had any problems
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Its not smaller or lighter, it weighs more than the X-Pro1 and is around the same size, its iQ though very good for micro 4/3rds cant touch the X-Pro1.
With the fuji you can get clean jpgs straight out of the camera up to and including ISO 3200, With the OMD EM1 the limit is ISO 1600 before noticeable image artefacts are noticed and noise starts to become an issue.
I have both, I use the EM1 with the 50-200mm f2.8-3.5 (100-400 with the crop factor) for birds, for everything else where I don't need the longer focal length I use the X-Pro1.
Side by side comparisons show the GX7 to be about the same as the EM1, but slightly worse at higher ISO's.
A part of me wishes I hadn't had to settle on the EM1 but it was the only solution that I could handhold and manage on the bed mount via its wireless live view,but it just doesn't cut the mustard after using the fuji.
One of the pluses with the fuji is that they are constantly working to get the best out of the camera & lenses, they listen to users and recent firmware updates have seen the AF performance speed up markedly, they also added focus peaking for those who prefer to manual focus and yet another update is due on the 19th that will sort out a couple of other minor issues.
But be aware its not a beginners camera, it expects you to understand the basics of exposure and how to get the best out of it, it needs input from you the photographer to achieve the great shots it produces as it has very few of the bells & whistles users get used to on DSLR's that now a days have high levels of automation.
With the fuji you just get P,A,S & M modes + auto ISO if you desire & auto bracketing of shots, thats about as far as the automation goes and its such a breath of fresh air.
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Yep the focusing is a lot better on the Fuji now.
But thinking if you really want the best IQ say to compete with an FF DSLR, I think it would have to go to the new Sony the A7 & A7r but you need to invest in great lenses and shoot raw.
I still think you want fast focusing on longer lenses, your best bet is still an DSLR
This is part of the problem though, there's only 3 lenses so far and only two of those are what I would term as fast/decent glass, the 24-70 is sadly equal to a kit zoom in terms of speed at least.