Buying my first filters - help needed

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I am gradually building up a kit that I like. But as of yet, I have no filters.

I take pictures of all sorts....but recently have been more interested in landscapes.

Someone said I should get a polarizing filter. I'm looking at the Hoya brand. Money isnt a prime concern as I would like one that has good effects and quality. So, feel free to point me in the right direction.

Someone on here, also mentioned ND grad filters? Or something? I did a google search which left me even more confused. Any tips/product pointing would be great.
 
If money isn't a prime concern take a look at Lee filters, they are the best and they supply a polariser as well as neutral density filters. If you go to the Lee site you can see some examples of how the filters alter the image.
 
kabooi said:
I am gradually building up a kit that I like. But as of yet, I have no filters.

I take pictures of all sorts....but recently have been more interested in landscapes.

Someone said I should get a polarizing filter. I'm looking at the Hoya brand. Money isnt a prime concern as I would like one that has good effects and quality. So, feel free to point me in the right direction.

Someone on here, also mentioned ND grad filters? Or something? I did a google search which left me even more confused. Any tips/product pointing would be great.

What are you trying to shoot? Why do you think you need a filter? The only effect you cannot reproduce in photoshop is that of a circular polariser. I would get a good, thin one such as a Hoya to start and then spend some time taking photos. Work out from what you are shooting and how you are photoshopping what you might need next.
 
A good circular polarizing filter should be part of any landscaper's kit. Don'y buy cheaply as you will regret it. I use Hoya Pro 1 or B+W and they are both excellent.

ND grads are also very desirable. There are basically two varieties, hard grad (where the transition between filtered and unfiltered is immediate) and soft grad (where the transition is gradual). As to what suits you, only you can tell as it depends on what you are shooting. I personally favour soft grads.

Go for the square type as they will fit any lens with the appropriate adapter. The very best are generally held to be Lee, but they are horribly expensive (but worth every penny IMO).

Rather than buy a kit with 0.3, 0.6 and 0.9 filters, initially just buy the one you will use most, the 0.9. You can always add to your collection later.
 
What are you trying to shoot? Why do you think you need a filter? The only effect you cannot reproduce in photoshop is that of a circular polariser. I would get a good, thin one such as a Hoya to start and then spend some time taking photos. Work out from what you are shooting and how you are photoshopping what you might need next.
I wish it were that simple!

If you take a shot where the sky is blown, you cannot correct that in any PP.
 
If you intend to go with Lee filters for your choice of grads then you will need a 105mm polarizing filter. Placing any filter holder on top of a polarizing filter is not such a good move.

A typical landscape set up would be filter holder on lens, grad filter(s) in holder, 105mm polarizer on front of filter holder.

My set up is as above. I chose Lee as my choice of grad filters and therefore the Lee filter holder. A 105mm filter adapter ring is placed on the front and I use a B+W Kasemann 105 polarizer...
http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-...se-extension&gclid=circi5ium7ucfy7jtaodoicatw
 
Yellowbelly said:
I wish it were that simple!

If you take a shot where the sky is blown, you cannot correct that in any PP.

The take 2 and blend until you work out that this is the kind of shot you take a lot of and need filters for. Best to work it out rather than having a bag full of filters you don't use. I should imagine that plenty of people on here have that! The OP doesn't even know what an ND grad is yet, read the first post.
 
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The take 2 and blend until you work out that this is the kind of shot you take a lot of and need filters for. Best to work it out rather than having a bag full of filters you don't use. I should imagine that plenty of people on here have that! The OP doesn't even know what an ND grad is yet, read the first post.
That is a possibility as long as nothing is moving in your landscspe. Add a moving object and a filter is the only way.
 
Yellowbelly said:
That is a possibility as long as nothing is moving in your landscspe. Add a moving object and a filter is the only way.

Doesn't change the fact that the op doesn't even know what one does or what it is! I will leave you all to it. Perhaps someone could tell him what the hundreds of pounds of lee filters you are all recommending would do...
 
I think that between us, the posters who have tried to answer the OP question in good faith, have given sufficient information to enable him to research further what his most suitable options would be. If he needs further guidance, I hope he will ask more questions.

Your suggestion of merging exposures may have left him even more confused.
 
Yes it would cost a bit with Lee - but you don't have to go for the most expensive right from day 1 - there are plenty of alternatives (and loads of threads on the forum discussing what they are) that involve less cash outlay.

The generic statement "do all in PP apart from the polariser effect" is misleading IMHO. The situation where a single image has too great a range of brightness for the sensor to catch is one of these - ND grads MAY help here. PP relies on you taking multiple images in this situation - it can be done - but personally I prefer time out in the fresh air to time in front of the PC.

Also if any of you PP advocates can tell me how to replicate a 2+ minute exposure in bright daylight including reflections in a lake using Photoshop rather than using my Big Stopper then I'm all ears........
 
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Krisstiffer said:
Yes it would cost a bit with Lee - but you don't have to go for the most expensive right from day 1 - there are plenty of alternatives (and loads of threads on the forum discussing what they are) that involve less cash outlay.

The generic statement "do all in PP apart from the polariser effect" is misleading IMHO. The situation where a single image has too great a range of brightness for the sensor to catch is one of these - ND grads MAY help here. PP relies on you taking multiple images in this situation - it can be done - but personally I prefer time out in the fresh air to time in front of the PC.

Also if any of you PP advocates can tell me how to replicate a 2+ minute exposure in bright daylight including reflections in a lake using Photoshop rather than using my Big Stopper then I'm all ears........

This sums up my thoughts exactly, are we not photographers rather than computer graphic designers. I for one would rather spend my time in the great outdoors attempting to get it right and using minimal PP to process. You cannot recover detail from a blown out sky, also recovering detail from shadows produces a lot of noise.

Yes you can blend but again is time consuming and CS6 costs considerably more than a set of LEE filters. If the OP finds he doesn't use them, then that's what the classifieds are for. I can't see them devaluing that much, alternately buy a cheap set off flea bay to see the effect it has and if you are going to use them and then purchase better later.
 
Said I would leave but I thought I would try to help the OP in explaining what the filters did.

The most useful filters apart from a polariser are ND (neutral density) filters. They come in two main kinds. They can be screw in or more popularly slot in square designs.

1) ND filter- these are a solid block of grey and can be used to perform two major jobs, both of which it does by decreasing the amount of light getting to the sensor and therefore increasing exposure time.

The first is to allow you to shoot with very wide apertures (f1.8 and wider) at base iso in very bright sunlight. It is possible to hit the maximum shutter speed of your camera on bright days when you want to shoot wide open to get a shallow depth of field. A 2 to 3 stop ND filter is usually sufficent.

The second is to elongate your shutter speed so as to allow a sense of mevement, such as the "milky" water effect or the clouds blurred across the sky (some might say these are a bit overdone now! ;)). To make such an effect you need a shutter speed of usually a second (to start getting the water effects from something like a waterfall) or even longer. This is where the 10 stop versions come in. People have been known to improvise these with wielding glass.

2) ND graduated filters. These will start dark at the top and lighten as it goes down the filter. The main reason for these is to help even out the exposure betwen sky and earth. Often the sky will be much brighter and can be "blown" (lose all detail) if you expose for the ground and alternatively if you expose for the sky the ground is much too dark. By using a graduated filter you can darken the sky to bring it's exposure level to that of the ground and therefore keep the wanted exposure and detail in both. There are 3 main types of graduated ND.

Hard ND grads have a definate and "hard" line when the darker area stops. These are best for photos where the sky ends in a definate horizon and line, such as for seascapes.

Soft ND grads have a much less definate end and are therefore suited to scenes where the horizon is not a straight line, such as mountains and where you have trees and other such things sticking up into the sky.

There are also reverse ND grads which have their darkest area starting half way down the filter and then get lighter the further up you go. These are great for when you are taking a shot of the sunset and the area just above the horizon is the brightest part of the sky.

If you want to get filters I would go for either hitech or lee and start off with a holder (if you plan to shoot wide get one of the wide holders as the normal ones may vignette) and go for a Soft ND grad 0.3 (1 stop) and 0.6 (2 stop) as well as a hard ND grad 0.6 as well. I would leave a 10 stop at present as they are pricey and quite frankly the effect is becoming old hat (IMHO). I would then add to it from there. I would also get the best circular polariser I could afford that worked with the kit.


And as to those going on about people recommending doing it all in PP, read what I posted before getting your knickers in a twist. I said get a CP and try some stuff in PP. Once you know how you shoot then you get the other filters! This place is going to the dogs really.

(Ps please feel free to update/correct the techy bits about filters.)
 
Probably the most useful filters for a landscape photographer are a polariser and ND grads.

The effect a polariser produces is exceedly difficult and time consuming to replicate in editing so its a must.

If money is no object look at the Hoya Pro filters. (pro is much better than reguar Hoyas) or B + W are a good choice too.

ND grads are priliminarily used in landscaping for balancing the brightness between sky and land. The effect can be replicated in post, though almost all amatuer photographers do it badly.

Besides its much quicker to shoot it right in the first place with filters.

As others have mentioned Lee filters are good, but I prefer Formatt Hitech.
Even if you decide to go for Lee filters you may want to put them in Formatts holder, so much cheaper than Lees and just as good, if not better quality.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk
 
Sorry for seemingly abandoning this thread. I am actually on holiday so internet is limited!

Thank you for all of your advice. I was a bit in the dark about what all of these filters actually did. But now I do have a better knowledge after a lot of reading. (Got a photography book for my bday)

I would like to get a polarizing filter, and I know what the ND grads do know and so I DEF need them. I prefer to spend time in front of the camera than in PP, so this is ideal.

It's just...who...and what? Really. I looked at lee and they're expensive. They also are having back orders and are hardly any around. I almost want some kind of starter kit. If anyone could point me into the right direction thatwould be most helpful.
 
Sorry for seemingly abandoning this thread. I am actually on holiday so internet is limited!

Thank you for all of your advice. I was a bit in the dark about what all of these filters actually did. But now I do have a better knowledge after a lot of reading. (Got a photography book for my bday)

I would like to get a polarizing filter, and I know what the ND grads do know and so I DEF need them. I prefer to spend time in front of the camera than in PP, so this is ideal.

It's just...who...and what? Really. I looked at lee and they're expensive. They also are having back orders and are hardly any around. I almost want some kind of starter kit. If anyone could point me into the right direction thatwould be most helpful.

I can only recommend Lee as they're the only ones I've used. If it's of any benefit to you the filters I use most are..

0.9 soft edge
0.6 hard edge
0.9 hard edge

I hope this helps

Rgds
 
Sorry for seemingly abandoning this thread. I am actually on holiday so internet is limited!

Thank you for all of your advice. I was a bit in the dark about what all of these filters actually did. But now I do have a better knowledge after a lot of reading. (Got a photography book for my bday)

I would like to get a polarizing filter, and I know what the ND grads do know and so I DEF need them. I prefer to spend time in front of the camera than in PP, so this is ideal.

It's just...who...and what? Really. I looked at lee and they're expensive. They also are having back orders and are hardly any around. I almost want some kind of starter kit. If anyone could point me into the right direction thatwould be most helpful.

Rather than start my own thread and clog the forum up, would it be OK to carry this one on as I too am after a starter kit ND filter (screw on type). I a very much in the beginners camp and have read various good articles about ND filters and would like to get one in advance of my holiday in a few weeks time.

I don't want to spend a great deal as I have recently bought two tripods (one larger and a table top), bag, remote shutter release and also want to get a spare battery.

Thanks guys! I find this photography lark equally enjoyable as I do confusing! :)
 
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