Jamer,
After twice saying I will ignore this thread, I can't seem to stay away!
Firstly, I do owe you an apology. Having gone through the thread I cannot find any support from you for excluding children under a CPO, however, I am not the only person who got that impression, and you do like editing your posts. You would have to be quite cruel to support that, so please accept my apologies.
The reason I say your trolling is that in the first instance you appear to sign up on here for the sole purpose to gather support for your campaign. (hence signing up for the revolution). This is a forum full of photographers, so you would expect to get support, and beleive me no one on here wants to be in a position where they can't click the shutter.
You've jumped straight in saying that photography should be allowed in all schools, which is fine, but you haven't backed up any of the research you have done by pointing this out to us.
I am no expert on this subject but am aware of the CPO issue which I raised earlier, although you want to forget about that and soldier on.
Plenty of people have pointed out why photography cannot take place in all schools, and peope like Daryl have offered a solution. yes it would be great if everyone could take photos in every school, but it cannot happen. Daryls suggestion of a paid tog to do the photos is a much better idea - CRB checked, the school can vet every picture, and whilst many on here will have 1.4 aperture lens, with iso's in the millions to shoot in a dark school hall during a production, most parents don't. This would mean they get a photo of Little Jimmy they can use, rather than the blurry mess there compact would produce.
Your suggestion of taking the kids off the stage if they don't want to be photographed is flawed as well as it is also excluding children from a part of the performance, and makes them stand out. It would also mean that the parents would have to tell the children to get off the stage before the photos, which could mean that young kids 4/5 yrs old would have to be given reasons as to why they can't be in photos, again not good for a child.
Another school of thought with regards to children's pictures on the internet is that is may encourage then to be stalked and groomed by undesirables over a period of time. Whilst I have no idea whether this is something that does take place, it is something that parents worry about and want to protect their children against.
Then someone else drops in about other place, parks swimming pools etc. Well you walk into any swimming pool in this country with a DSLR during a public swim and you won't be in ther viewing area for long, whether the pool is filled with toddlers, teenagers or grannies. And I don't think many will argue about that.(and yes I know some people shoot swimming Gala's, that is a bit different).
You are unaware of what rights people have to take photos in public places - people are not stopped taking photos in Parks by headteachers or policeman, it tends to be members of the public who decide a man with a black camera and a big lens is a p***. So unless your going to visit the majority of the adult population and hand them a copy of the petition, this won't change that.
This is also a topic which has been covered in the national press, links have been put in this thread, which already support your argument and will have had a lot more penetration and effect, so I partly feel you have been beaten to the punch.
The theatre you mention is private property, so if they so no picture, then it is no pictures. And if you want a copy of your daughter on the CCTV footage, then send them a small cheque (I forget how much) and they have to send you a copy of the tapes.
And the argument about who decides what is or isn't suitable to shoot where under 18's are involved is another issue altogether, and one which the police take quite a keen stance on.
The reason I feel your trolling, is that I define Trolling as someone who's sole intent with a thread is to provoke an argument regardless of any argument given to them. Seeing that you have started this thread with an (albeit wellmeaning) idea, which when given a sensible argument as to why it happens and how to sort it out, you keep on dragging in other areas where you feel this argument is relevant, even though it is fairly obvious that it is not and are repeatedly being told so. As I said above, it is also a topic which has been covered already. The initial tone of your initial posts also gave me the impression that you did not expect this topic to have been debated on here previously, or that anyone may have some opinions or knowledge that you did not. It came across as a little presumptious and condescending to me.
On top of this, you have not contributed to other areas of the forum. I would like yo uto do that, as I feel you can add to the forum. That is why I say Trolling.
What I would rather you had done was to list the arguments that you are aware of, both for an against so that we knew that you had an idea of what you where talking about, including your meetings with your MP etc, who you were aiming the petition at, and what aims you wanted from it. That would have been a better way to gather support.
So whilst I may not ignore this thread completely, I still stand by what I said.
Child protection order would do that. Its ok saying that kids who cant be photographed can be out of the way why dont we make then wear big red squares on their uniform so people know not to take pictures is that the next step?
...... If I understand correctly? the OP is trying to raise awareness of people being unable to record the childhood of their children.. This isn't just about schools as it goes deeper than that! How about first swimming lesson, a day out in the park or just out playing with their friends, etc. :shrug: ... Not sure why the OP is being given a hard time by some on here :shrug:
