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    Yes, unless you reclassify it you are restricted to 60 on dual carriageways and 50 on single carriageways. I'd had campers for about 20 years before I discovered this and assumed the speed limit was the same as for a car, and always drove up to the car speed limits, and never got pulled or zapped.

    It was a bit of a shock to discover that I may have been breaking speed limits all that time. However when I looked at the vehicle reg. documents on my current van I discovered the Converter had recassified it before my purchase - so good on them.
     
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    same as for the van.
     
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    Steve.....pleeeeaaassssseeee...........:confused:
     
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    And forcefed coffee with piped music on fixed headphones........
     
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    One thing that has not been mentioned here so far is the layout of the van. As I mostly use mine on my own it has two single beds when fully converted for night time use. The front seats fold down and slide forward to connect up with the two rear seats. I find that really useful because when I am away on my own I can leave one bed set up (on the passenger side obviously), and there's no need to do any complicated manouvres at night when you are ready to doss down. If you want to convert it into a (very wide) double bed there's a metal framed central unit which you can slide out and a mattress which also forms the backrest to one of the back seats (if that makes sense).The kitchen, cupboards etc are at the back.

    Most vans seem to have a double rock and roll bed which you have to set up every night and put back in the morning. I gather that with this layout the bed can impede access to some of the kitchen facilities. Of course it may have advantages as well, as I've never used one, but if I do upgrade my current van at some stage I'll probably stick with the two single bed option.

    There 's also the question of the lifting roof. As far as I can see a van with the two single beds option (like mine) should have a roof that opens along the axis of the van, so that headroom is maximised from front to back, whereas the standard layout can have a front lifting roof as you only need headroom at the front.

    Just a few thoughts if anyone is planning a conversion.......:)
     
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    Next you'll be threatening to turn up to a lake on a still day and throw stones in it or worse feed the ducks so they ripple the reflections. Or worse, let a dog off the leash and into the lakes. That happened to me once, killed an awesome reflection.
     
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    I'm going to bow out of this thread now - it seems other than loving photography, the outdoors and landscapes my views and tastes are just polar opposites of the posters on here. When I say I do not like dogs, I actually cannot bear them and proactively seek out non dog friendly places to stay and eat as I really really cannot stand being near them. I even cross the road when I see someone coming with a dog and just won't go certain places where I know they are favoured by dog walkers.

    My distaste for vans is not that vehement but I have said my bit about what works for me etc in the context of sleeping out in a vehicle.

    Enjoy your dogs and your vans, I will enjoy my Lex and peace.
     
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    It’s not meaningful participation and it’s becoming common round here.

    When Nikon announced they were launching radio OCF it piqued my interest, I read the thread (about the new cameras) and contributed that their implementation was rubbish. They should have done better. I may have discussed it with anyone wanting details but then I left that thread as I had nothing meaningful to add.

    A new Canon or Nikon camera appears now and threads are full of the same half dozen idiots who have no interest in those cameras, but keep repeating the same post ad-infinitum. It’s boring and pointless.

    Your posts here are in the same vein. Yes you have a different view, and you’ve expressed it. Now it’s time to leave the actual discussion about camper vans to those interested in it.
     
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    Phil - he's already said he's gone. He won't come back and post in this thread again #. Don't take things further off track by going into what happens on the gear-threads - we get enough bloody hassle from them as it is.


    # how do I know this... it's a little thing called a thread-ban. I was just in the process of typing a reply to this thread, stating that we'd all heard Steve's contribution now, and could choose to take it on board or not, but any further repetition would be in the realms of trolling, and that as such he was no longer welcome on here.

    However, he said he'd leave, and as such, I've simply made sure that he's gone through a 1 way door and can't come back.


    Listen folks - people have different ways of doing things, and some people are devoid of the social graces to realise that what they're saying is not actually germane to the conversation, so keep on harping on (and on, and on) about it. We see it in lots of threads, especially "gear specific" ones, where some people fail to realise that what works/is perfect for them may not be the perfect solution to everyones situation. If they keep repeating, and it gets upon your pecs, then, use the damned Ignore feature... Believe me, there's nothing I'd like more than to be able to ignore certain people - the problem is, the very ones I'd want to ignore, are the ones that make this place less pleasant to be around in - so, as staff, I can't ignore them - indeed, it feels like most of my time on here is spent slapping them for something or other.
     
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    Just another thought on camper van classification.

    There is also another category of vehicles called "car-based vans". I can't remember what that involves but it probably refers to things like a Fiesta vans and similar. My first one was probably one of those, based on a tiny Renault something-or-other.
     
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    Terry,please don't bow out....some of us really want a van but are still at that stage of indecision about so many things. I'm pretty settled that a T5 is what I want. but nowt written in stone... I ain't got pots of money. sure I might not take the cheepest route,but i'm not elitist and would value the real world experiences of good folks like your self. I'm a bit out of sorts at the mo,being told I might go blind in one eye and all that malary has thrown me a bit ,I'm also trying to rest the bugger which means typing is more of a PITA to me than normal. I'd really like to draw on the expriences of others,from the cheepest self build to the guys whom are fortunate enough to have a pro conversion. I just can't really tap into all the expertise at this time.. although I'll try a bit below


    Jerry, there are vans in the T5 range which I believe are classified as cars,ie shuttle and almost certainly Caravelle. i'd really like someone here whom is certain they are sure,to outline M1.N1 classification.

    Also I'd love to hear from a party that has made a claim on an adapted van. I have done a lot of homework on this and there is much confusion typically main insuraers wont touch these types of modified buggies. Many use one company which is just a broker...i'd rather not state that name i'm aware of a horror story. with a claim

    Jerry who converted your van,i'm aware of many of the designs to layout. At the mo I need to sleep two and be able to carry 2 passengers safely and legally I know I want heating for the winter months. and an insulated van...

    I'd also love to know the implications of whole type aproval gas lockers/certification rock and roll bed certification modified seats to an insurance company . I understand a M1 crash tested bed is needed to carry passengers I understand that side o9f things,but not how this relates to insurers

    Having the history I do ie trained with car body work I want to be in a buggy that is safe if I have an accident. I don't want stuff flying about simple as !!

    does a split charge system have to be installed by an qualified electrician,does one need any certificate for this. Does the fact that it's 12v negate the need for a pro...what about 240 hook up is that bypassed because it's basicaly an extension lead ??

    Finally diesels inner city bans emmisions ERG thingies etc. Does anyone have any knowledge they can share. I am like a fish out of water in a city,I'll be thankful if I never have to visit one again period,but I need to know more about all this and how it might affect the ownership of an older van say T5 not 4 or 5.1

    I've read up a bit on the VW scene becuase so many vans get 'erm played with even things like wheels get changes,cause a 20" alloy looks smoky in that wheel arch;). VW to the best of my knowledge never fitted a 20rim to any t5,the biggest is an 18" on the sporlines Surely all the gearing is now out of kilter,the speedo is going to read worng if a different circumferance is touching the road. Lots of range rover wheels out there,load rated sure...but not meant for a comercial ,a mate was told by the RAC these invalidate insurance....true or false??

    There is alot of things I personally am unsure about the camper scene is quite chiled and unregulated I like that we have enough laws already,but I want to be safe and travel in a van that is safe and complies with the law,best I can.

    I'll stop there it's enough to get your collective teeth into:p

    ok sod it one more :D who knows about the T5 4motion drive train what are the negatives how much does it add to the value and running costs. Yup again I understand a bit the tyre side,right boots needed.............. but little else

    and add

    Steve ( from the states:) I love your van,seeing a tripod and seat atop a van the practical nature of it all is really thought provoking:cool:

    stu

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    Guys forgive me , I am simply not up for fighting with eng lang at this time,I hope this isn't too hard to read:(
     
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    Im sure you remember the image with Ansel Adams atop his car?
    https://www.lomography.com/magazine...ith-a-large-format-camera-mounted-on-a-tripod
     
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    Where I live most of the driving is either highway (with double semi's) or backroads that wind through the mountains (which are bad enough in the dark, worse in bad weather/fog).
     
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    Maybe that's because they are designed for carrying passengers, rather than goods?

    I'm not sure if mine would count as an adapted van, and I've never made a claim, but I don't see why the specialist insurers shouldn't (in general) be trustworthy. A review in the summer 2018 issue of What Motorhome recommended Comfort Insurance 08000 304206 or google.

    A company called Leisuredrive, who are near Bolton. Not many other companies seen to do the "two single beds" design but they still do.

    That's the 4 wheel drive version, is it? Can't help you with that, i'm afraid.

    Sorry I can't answer any of your other questions!
     
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    No David I wasn't aware at all,cheers for the link.I'm aware to the man though:) !! It's kinda funny I always seem to be looking lower and lower POV wise depends what each of us shoots I guess. It's the flexiible practical side of Steve's van though that really interests me rather than the quest for absolute best POV which is a given for any of us I suppose. I'd sort of mused why would a landscape guy get up there for half a second then had to admit it's exactly what I do if I though it might help. I don't shoot many landscapes David so have little to draw upon. I do occassionaly make images from a van, even though really I'm a fish out of water there too. The magic of all this for me is being with my subjects for me i'm not even a huge hide fan...I make image of birds and mainly beasties David

    cheers again cool to see:)
     
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    I didn't bow out really, just stopped commenting until the irritation was removed.

    I'll try and answer the questions I can. I only have experience of a certain amount and I'm in now way a professional camper converter.


    "does a split charge system have to be installed by an qualified electrician,does one need any certificate for this. Does the fact that it's 12v negate the need for a pro...what about 240 hook up is that bypassed because it's basicaly an extension lead ??"

    I fitted mine after watching a good Youtube video of it from VanlifeTV. In fact Matt's conversion inspired us to actually attempt it in the first place.
    If you get a VSR (voltage sensitive relay) split charge kit then the instructions included are really simple. I've always been ok with 12v electrics and more recently with 240v as well.
    The kit came from Simply Split Charge and they were very helpful on the phone, lot's of useful knowledge.
    I fitted the kit and bought an AGM 110Ah leisure battery from County Batteries (fist one they sent was a lead acid battery so back it went - no hassle). I bought this one https://www.countybattery.co.uk/lei...e-and-marine-battery-12v-110ah-800cca-sealed/
    Once fitted it works a treat. When you start the van the alternator charges the starter battery and the leisure battery. I have a power meter in the van to tell me what state of charge the battery's at. I don't know how accurate it is as it never seems to read more than 12.9 volts after a long run.
    When you stop and the starter battery level falls below 12.5v the relay cuts off so you're running on solely the leisure battery so you can still start up and drive off again.



    I even fitted the mains consumer unit and associated sockets. They all work and I didn't kill myself.
    However when we apply to the DVLA to convert to motor caravan on the V5 I will have had a habitation check carried out for their peace of mind and our own.

    The 240v hookup is completely separate from the leisure battery, unless you connect a battery charger on 240v to charge the leisure battery. Then obviously there's a connection.




    Finally take a look at the government requirement for conversion, there aren't as many requirements as you'd think and most are common sense.


    Cheers,

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    If there is a joke or special meaning I'm sorry I don't get it, otherwise my name is actually Soeren (Søren) :D
    Steve's image and you mentioning it reminded me of the Ansel Adams one so I'd just thought Id bring up some historical context :)
     
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    Not at all buddy a great help,I need to talk to folks whom use............. do what I do,well( ok roughly:D).

    Terry please forgive i've seen your post i'll come back later mate I need to be careful at this time,don't think I'm being rude
    Thanks both(y)(y)

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    mate my bad,eye issues saw the quote at the bottom there is no joke just me being stupid:oops: :$

    Hey Soeren how the devil are ya good sir..........:D

    i#ll see myself out
     
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    Ahhh offcource, sorry not stupid at all. Well it also about time to change that one.......... Now let's see :thinking:
     
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    No worries Stu
     
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    To show the kind of difference it can make, I ran into an acquaintance earlier this month while photographing the elk rut. He was staying at the only place he could find which was "technically" only 1hr away but they are mountain roads, steep/winding with heavy fog common and the drive could easily double. We were both staying several days.
    With wildlife (and scenics) the best shots come early and late, if they occur at all. And there's a long break in the middle with nothing much to do. I would wake up at dusk to the sounds of elk bugling, make coffee and breakfast, then put on/set up my gear and walk to where I was going to be photographing. When the action died I would head back, read a book, make lunch/dinner, clear dishes, take a nap, edit/review images on laptop, or wander around looking for other opportune things to photograph (and scout locations). And I was right there ready to go again in the evening. One evening it rained so bad that I got soaked even wearing rain gear... no biggie, changing into dry stuff in the van is easy.

    My friend on the other hand would get up at 4am, grab a cup of crap coffee and hit the road (no-one is doing breakfast at 4am)... he probably had snack stuff in his car. If he made it in time (he didn't always) he'd head out for photography, and when things died down he would usually head back for food/rest, and because the day could be pretty boring. Then he would drive back for the evening photography, and then back again for the night. The night it rained he bailed... not quite prepared for the weather and no desire to drive 1+hrs while soaked in the off chance there was going to be a great photo op (there wasn't).

    IME, there is no way to be properly/comfortably equipped for several days with a car... maybe if you pack a lot and leave much of it behind hoping you won't need it (which is when you will). And of course he had much higher living costs (hotel/food/fuel/etc).
    TBF, you can buy a lot of food and rent a lot of rooms for the price of a vehicle. And if you're only driving out for either the morning or evening you probably don't need/want much. Even if it's just one full day starting/ending in the dark it's not that bad... but I'm usually completely exhausted by the time I get home again (16+ hr day). Of course, it depends on how seriously you approach it... as a hobby it may not be worth it to rough it (one way or another) for several days in a row, or a week. And you might choose not to go at all if the weather forecast isn't good. But if you are more serious it is probably (occasionally) worth it and you might choose to go because the forecast isn't so great. And either way you have to have the time/ability to make the choice, and for many that doesn't often exist. I didn't own a camper van for photography when I had a regular job, and I probably still wouldn't if I worked a 9-5 5-6 days a week. I also think it depends on what you photograph... if it's not landscapes or wildlife then being in the right place at the right time; repeatedly many times over, isn't nearly as important.
     
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    My van is actually a 1991 RHD Mitsubishi L-300 imported from Japan... it's the only way to get a mini van with proper 4wd in the states. They did make pop-tops and camper versions, and there are more modern versions available (have to be 25yrs old to import to USA). I chose a less dedicated van for "practicality" as you say... Driving it on the road is like driving an old VW bus, not a lot of power/speed to be had, but I enjoy it. And I haven't had to winch out of a hole yet :D


    View: https://youtu.be/tviqBE6qlDY
     
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    I nearly bought a Delica in the early 2000’s. Same running gear as the Pajero, also an import here in the Uk.
     
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    Apologies, I was composing that post whilst he was leaving.
     
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    Will help where I can...


    We did our own but have a bigger van than a T5, we have 2x Renault Espace seats in the rear on a frame secured into the old minibus tracking that's in the van.

    Gas, depends on your insurer, ours hasn't asked for anything, just be sensible and get it done well. We're having an underslung tank fitted soon.

    In a word, no, nothing is needed legally, your insurer may say otherwise. We have found that if it's a self build, insurers expect them to be self built and all that goes with it.

    As a self builder, the only thing I've found to be a legal issue converting a van is re-registering it with the DVLA. The rest seems to be common sense and if you're uncomfortable get a tradesman in. If you're unsure, ask your insurer.
     
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    Why would you ban him?
    I know he did bang on a bit, but after his initial posts, it was always in response to comments made about his preference of a car over a van.
    Is he not allowed to argue/discuss his point?
    He wasn't rude or cheeky and didn't resort to name calling etc, so why the thread ban?
    I would appear that other/s with no actual shown interest in campervans or cars only participated to accuse Steve of trolling, and making sarcastic comments. Suppose that's ok though?
     
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    I quite fancy something like that. Rugged, go anywhere and you can kip in it.
    I saw one on Google that has a camo paint job, massive wheels and cool nudge bars.
    It looked pretty mental.
    Not tbis one, but same idea.....

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    I just sold my l400 . Fantastic wagon . Is yours the manual ?
     
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    Wondering what MPG you get out of this?
     
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    I got around 18-20 from mine
     
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    Nope, automatic...
    I might consider the L400 when it becomes import eligible here... but I do like the flying shoebox shape of the L300.
     
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    I average about 23 USM/G (36-37 KMPG)... it's a 4cyl TD
     
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    I sometimes find folks first names lurking at the base of posts,Soeren,so many folks use sig thingies I was ignorant to the simple fact it is your christian name,it is my bad I'll own this one bro. Thank you for being so cool

    As to your boxes,maybe i'm not the best to find them:D,but it looks to me like the talent one is right behind those specs ;)
    This is a great help Terry, cheers for the patience I'd got to the bottom of most of it, but having done it you have added a good dollop of clarity for me. thanks for taking the time. I'd probably want to add solar into the equation and honestly am unsure if 240 is something we will ever use bar some niggles.. I have no real desire to be on a campsite at all . !!!!!!!!!!!

    Terry with regards to say charging a camera battery is there a workaround with 12volt?? My canon is a 10.8volt according to what is written on it,this is one of my niggles is there some form of alternative charger.?? Canon generic batteries are alot of money,but having spent so much on my brick ( 1dxii) I really don't want to use copies. The thought has just occured how would I charge if I had one of those mad red letter days early in a trip. So how does everyone work around this. or is it simply a case of we can't??

    Terry this is why I want to ask here,not on say a camper forum. I want that real world experience of image makers with campers rather than talking to professional converter's at the mo.

    Mate what does the habituation check involve??

    I will have a dig about what the gov wants,at the mo i'm just trying to work out what I really need to work for us

    thanks again kiddo



    Danny as with Terry very useful info thanks. I had no awareness of underslung gas tanks. My initial though has always been I'd like to avoid gas if possible ,but it's cool hearing all the options out there !! As before I'm pretty much an open book just evaluating my needs really


    cheers both(y)

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    Yeah mine was auto . The l300 is very very cool . My friend has a 400 and is in the middle of doing up a 300 manual
     
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    For electrical I use a 12v power bank/jump pack that also has an inverter/USB/12v outlets... I just charge it off of the alternator and it's enough for what little electricity I use (propane stove/heat and a 7day ice chest, LED interior lights). You can usually find battery chargers that will run off of 12v directly rather than inverting it to 120/240 and dropping it back down. Same for laptops/etc...
     
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    I would not own a Delica that has been lifted that high... anything over a couple inches of suspension lift requires a lot of engineering and probably wasn't done "correctly." Plus these vans don't really have the motors or brakes for that kind of rolling mass. And that kind of body lift still leaves all of the vitals a whole lot lower... It's "ok" for looks if that's what you want, but mostly impractical/bad otherwise (IMHO).
     
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    With regards to electrics we have the following:

    2x 120ah Leisure batteries
    3x 100w Solar Panels
    CTEK 250 Dual charger
    Waeco CRX110 fridge

    We didn’t go for a split charge relay as they are ‘dumb’ chargers that can only charge batteries to around 80% full, the CTEK is a batttery to battery charger that is also a solar controller that is smart and can trickle charge batteries to 100% full, including the vehicle battery when the leisure ones are full. I know that all 3 batteries in the van are fully charged right now!

    We have only ever used a campsite once to take the baby swimming and have ‘wild camped’ for 8 nights with ice creams at -18c!

    Camera batteries charge perfectly fine in cheap USB chargers (£6 off eBay!) if you are worried, get an inverter (pure sine) and use your current mains ones.

    We also have a 12v charger for a Macbook Pro that works fine.

    Weirdly, none of our iOS devices will charge from any USB port on our 12v setup! We have many genuine cables and currently usb battery banks to charge them which charge fine from the same ports!. Bizarre!

    From what I can work out, a habitation check is just an extra income stream for dealers!
     
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