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Hey folks,

Just wondering how you all get along with the constant f/4 aperture, with regards to lighting and tripod use etc.

I had a 70-200 f/4 L and found without IS it was difficult in low light areas to get a sharp photo without a tripod, how is this any different on the 17-40?

I'm looking to chop in my 17-70 sigma f/2.8 for one, with low light being a key to my concern.

Cheers!
 
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Hey folks,

Just wondering how you all get along with the constant f/4 aperture, with regards to lighting and tripod use etc.

I had a 70-200 f/4 L and found without IS it was difficult in low light areas to get a sharp photo without a tripod, how is this any different on the 17-40?

I'm looking to chop in my 17-70 sigma f/2.8 for one, with low light being a key to my concern.

Cheers!

It sounds like you're forgetting the hand-holding/focal length rule - longer lenses magnify camera shake. That is, as a rough guide, your shutter speed should be no slower than a reciprocal of the focal length x crop factor, ie 200mm lens x 1.6 = 1/320sec.

Having said that, EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS is a far better allrounder lens on a crop format camera than the 17-40L.
 
Fantastic, they're a bit out of my budget but i'll see if i can find the tamron 17-55 2.8 for less. Does anyone have any test shots taken with the 17-40L?
 
Does anyone have any test shots taken with the 17-40L?
Yes. Search for my posts in the last week with 17-40 in them. Straight out of camera...
 
On 60D you should be fine using 17-40 'as normal'. On FF it is strictly landscape lens, mostly on tripod and f/11-16 - way too soft on the edges at f/4

no sigma will match the colours and contrast of that lens though
 
arad85 said:
Soft? Yes, slightly. WAY to soft? Nope, not in my book given what you are asking it to do. F4, 1/20, ISO 500, 5D2 + 17-40L @ 17mm. Unedited raw imported and then exported via Lightroom. It's 5Mbytes so....

http://www.arad85.co.uk/hosted/talkp/_8439.jpg

I don't really see what that photo proves actually.....

Anyway it's a good versatile lens at good value as well.... , not stellar in my books and it appears that there are some duff copies out there as well. I noticed at f11 that extreme corners were mush on FF, not that it bothered me - it's only when I read it the 'corners suck on 17-40' statement 100times I went to look at some of my files.
 
I don't really see what that photo proves actually.....
That it's not all soft and mushy to the edges. Yes, it softens slightly, but only right at the edge and at F4 (and all other apertures), I'm very happy with it.
 
Fantastic, they're a bit out of my budget but i'll see if i can find the tamron 17-55 2.8 for less. Does anyone have any test shots taken with the 17-40L?

Rumours are its AF is crap in low light, which defeats the object of it being an F2.8.

Get the 17-40
 
Soft? Yes, slightly. WAY to soft? Nope, not in my book given what you are asking it to do. F4, 1/20, ISO 500, 5D2 + 17-40L @ 17mm. Unedited raw imported and then exported via Lightroom. It's 5Mbytes so....

http://www.arad85.co.uk/hosted/talkp/_8439.jpg

To me that's soft - 8.5x11 crop would be good though - anything else outside is smudged. It's Ok for web editorial or newspapers, but not for printing large.
at 17mm f/4 DOF is nearly infinite so everything should be sharp
 
To me that's soft - 8.5x11 crop would be good though - anything else outside is smudged. It's Ok for web editorial or newspapers, but not for printing large.
at 17mm f/4 DOF is nearly infinite so everything should be sharp
Don't agree with that - sorry.

DoF is a rendering issue, not image capture. A lens is only ever focused at a single distance. Anything closer or further away is more or less out of focus. It 's only when you render that it becomes visible if it's in or out of focus.

For me, pixel peeping at 1920 pixels on a 24" monitor which is 55cm across at 50cm away this effectively means I'm looking at a print which is 150cm x 100cm at 50 cm. This is way larger than used for DoF calculations.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accept...le_of_confusion_diameter_limit_in_photography

you can see the CoC is approximately given by:

CoC (mm) = viewing distance (cm) / desired final-image resolution (lp/mm) for a 25 cm viewing distance / enlargement / 25

A 5D2 sensor is 3.6cm on the long side, so the magnification is 150/3.6 ~ 42. Assuming I'm going for the "standard" 5 lp/mm @ 25cm and a viewing distance of 50cm, this makes my CoC

CoC = 50/ 5 / 42 / 25 ~ 0.0095mm.

The "standard" CoC for a full frame camera is ~0.03mm so I've a CoC which is more than 3 x smaller. Looking at DoF Master, the nearest camera to this CoC is the Powershot Pro1 which has CoC of 0.008mm.

Dropping this camera into DoF master (http://dofmaster.com/dofjs.html) and assuming a subject distance of 4m (not sure what the actual focal distance was but...) at 17mm and F4 gives:

Subject distance 4 m

Depth of field
Near limit 2.78 m
Far limit 7.16 m
Total 4.38 m

So, depending on how big you look at the image and from how far away will determine how much DoF you perceive. At my viewing size and my viewing distance, I'd need to drop to F/9.5 before I'd get a DoF that appeared to be infinite. In other words, I'd expect to be able to see things in the distance out of focus.

Looking at the image again with that knowledge, it's actually a pretty good lens (from memory, the far part of the ceiling would have been ~15m away...).
 
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Having checked this all out, i'm going off the idea of the 17-40 unless i was looking at landscape on a FF body.

I think i'll be saving extra for the 24-70 2.8 L, then just keep that lens instead. All this gives me a headache :'(
 
Having checked this all out, i'm going off the idea of the 17-40 unless i was looking at landscape on a FF body.
That's what it's good for...

I think i'll be saving extra for the 24-70 2.8 L, then just keep that lens instead. All this gives me a headache :'(
Won't you miss the 17-24mm length? If so, there are better lenses for crop IMHO (17-55 f2.8)
 
That's what it's good for...

Won't you miss the 17-24mm length? If so, there are better lenses for crop IMHO (17-55 f2.8)

True, i'm not too sure if i would. I rarely shoot it wide,

would be ideal to test a 17-55 2.8 out, or maybe even a Sigma 17-70 2.8 all the way through rather than mine. (2.8-4.5)
 
There isnt a Sigma 17-70 F2.8 is there? :thinking:

Personally, I think you are still better off with a 17-40, or go with the 17-55 IS as that gives you F2.8 through the range and IS as well, and since you want low light work I think its a good option
 
arad85 said:
Don't agree with that - sorry.

DoF is a rendering issue, not image capture. A lens is only ever focused at a single distance. Anything closer or further away is more or less out of focus. It 's only when you render that it becomes visible if it's in or out of focus.

For me, pixel peeping at 1920 pixels on a 24" monitor which is 55cm across at 50cm away this effectively means I'm looking at a print which is 150cm x 100cm at 50 cm. This is way larger than used for DoF calculations.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptable_circle_of_confusion#Circle_of_confusion_diameter_limit_in_photography

you can see the CoC is approximately given by:

CoC (mm) = viewing distance (cm) / desired final-image resolution (lp/mm) for a 25 cm viewing distance / enlargement / 25

A 5D2 sensor is 3.6cm on the long side, so the magnification is 150/3.6 ~ 42. Assuming I'm going for the "standard" 5 lp/mm @ 25cm and a viewing distance of 50cm, this makes my CoC

CoC = 50/ 5 / 42 / 25 ~ 0.0095mm.

The "standard" CoC for a full frame camera is ~0.03mm so I've a CoC which is more than 3 x smaller. Looking at DoF Master, the nearest camera to this CoC is the Powershot Pro1 which has CoC of 0.008mm.

Dropping this camera into DoF master (http://dofmaster.com/dofjs.html) and assuming a subject distance of 4m (not sure what the actual focal distance was but...) at 17mm and F4 gives:

Subject distance 4 m

Depth of field
Near limit 2.78 m
Far limit 7.16 m
Total 4.38 m

So, depending on how big you look at the image and from how far away will determine how much DoF you perceive. At my viewing size and my viewing distance, I'd need to drop to F/9.5 before I'd get a DoF that appeared to be infinite. In other words, I'd expect to be able to see things in the distance out of focus.

Looking at the image again with that knowledge, it's actually a pretty good lens (from memory, the far part of the ceiling would have been ~15m away...).

Apart from the purple fringing :p

I'm joking.....!
 
There isnt a Sigma 17-70 F2.8 is there? :thinking:

Personally, I think you are still better off with a 17-40, or go with the 17-55 IS as that gives you F2.8 through the range and IS as well, and since you want low light work I think its a good option

I think there is yeah, it's around £300 with internal motors and 2.8 all the way through i believe..

I'll have to test one out to know for sure though.
 
I think there is yeah, it's around £300 with internal motors and 2.8 all the way through i believe..

I'll have to test one out to know for sure though.

Can you link me to it please?
a 17-70 F2.8 for around £300, yes please!
 
24-70 F2.8 mate :)
 
Its what I use.

Edit: wooop 2000 post! Finally!
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