Canon 7D AF system - OMG

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Ok I've had my 7D for all of four days now so barely got to grips with it yet.

I'd heard the AF system was complex but OMG!

Does anyone have any links to good guides (or even books) on the 7D's AF system as I'd like to learn as much as I can so I'm confident I'm getting the best from it as it's obviously the main difference from my old 40D, the AF on which looks laughably simple by comparison :)

The manual really only states what each option does without going into what's best for a given situation. In addition to the basic settings there's a raft of custom functions in there too!

Any advice/links appreciated :D
 
Cool thanks! That'll keep me busy for a bit :)
 
Having watched the vids I'm a bit clearer but I'm still a bit confused as to which mode is most suitable for tracking moving targets in AI Servo mode, for example the Zone AF and single point with expansion seem very similar. I'd value anyone's experiences as to what the advantages and disadvantages of these modes are relative to each other.

Also, the 1st/2nd image priority custom function is still baffling me :)
 
Point expansion places the emphasis on the selected point with assistance from the surrounding ones. In Zone AF they all have equal weight.

CFn III/2controls how the camera deals with AF in continuous bursts:

0: The camera will focus first and then attempt to maintain tracking focus (ie delay shutter release if AF is not achieved).
1: Focus first and then keep shooting regardless of whether tracking AF is successful.
2: Emphasis is on shutter release for all shots regardless of focus.
3: The camera will initially release the shutter regardless of focus and then attempt to achieve AF for subsequent shots.
 
Cheers for that. Which of Zone and Expanded AF would you say is best for tracking a moving subject with AI Servo then? Obviously single point AF is best but I find I'm not always capable of keeping a single point on the subject if it's small and fast moving, such as BIF.
 
There's more explanation of the 7D AF system here - http://www.usa.canon.com/uploadedimages/FCK/Image/2010/QuickGuides/CDLC_EOS7D_AF_QuickGuide.pdf - including recommendadtions when to use certain modes and when not to.

My own personal experience of BIF photography with both the 7D and 1D3 is to use the smallest number of AF points possible to get the shot. I will often use a single point for BIF, now that my tracking skills are a little better than they once were, but if I'm struggling with that then I will usually go to expansion before zone. I have rarely used all point AF with either camera. I'm not convinced that the results are as good as with fewer points.

There are a couple of points to consider here. Firstly, the more points you activate the more data the camera has to process and the more decisions it has to make about which point is the right one at any given instant. The easier you make things for the camera the more reliable the results will be. Secondly, if you are photographing a large bird, perhaps a heron flying across your path, something like zone AF is more likely to pick up on a wing tip and focus on that rather than keeping things sharpest on the head/eye. Thirdly, if your subject blends in rather too well with the background and the background is contrasty and competing for attention then again using a single AF point of tight AF cluster will help ensure the AF is working on the right part of the scene, subject to photographer skills. :)

I find the same thing with my running dog photography. Results seem better when I use a single AF point to track the dog. That makes my task more challenging, but the camera can deliver better results.

The camera certainly has features to help you out, but I think there is no substitute for good skills at these difficult subjects. So to recap, use as few points as you can manage with. There are other techniques and settings to help out. For example, I usually set tracking sensitivity to slightly slow or slow. This gives me a moment of respite if I lose track of the subject in the crosshairs before the camera will wander off and find something else to focus on. Also, with back button AF I can simply cease AF momentarily if I lose track. This avoids the camera drifting off completely. Once I am back on target I can resume AF once more.

Lastly, when shooting action, and especially BIF, I find that a high shutter speed is usually key to success, and if you're going to pixel peep 7D images it's pretty much mandatory. For a hand held 400mm lens shooting at 1/2000 or faster is going to get you more keepers than shooting around the 1/1000 or 1/800 mark. It can be easy to confuse poor focus with camera shake or subject blur.
 
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Good post Tim....

I use the same settings and technique as you... smallest number of points, back button focus etc...
 
Indeed, thanks for the tips :)
 
It explains the reasons why back button AF is good. The article is too old to specify how to set up the 7D to do this. That does not mean the article is inapplicable. The reasons still stand. Your manual will cover the minutiae of customising the 7D to operate this way.
 
Something i was looking into today i was unsure about a few things, some great links will be checking those out soon. Usually use a single point in Servo as i shoot mountain biking or one shot focus on a spot and wait for them to go over it, can be hard to time, but never heard of back button focusing, will look into the link seems good for moving stuff so may be handy.

Thanks
 
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back button focus is set as default on the AF-ON button I think ?

Yup, but if you want to use it properly then you have to disable AF on the shutter release, otherwise it's fairly pointless.
 
I think it is not applicable to the 7D.

Something I recall in Custom settings does the same thing.

Regards.

I use it on my 7D....

Love it, so flexible and useful...

It did take a little getting used to....
 
Something i was looking into today i was unsure about a few things, some great links will be checking those out soon. Usually use a single point in Servo as i shoot mountain biking or one shot focus on a spot and wait for them to go over it, can be hard to time, but never heard of back button focusing, will look into the link seems good for moving stuff so may be handy.

Thanks

It is great for moving objects...

AI servo set...
Pick the object up on the back button
keep tracking the subject..
Click to shoot when you like...

No 1/2 press trying not to shoot when your not ready, losing focus because you let up a little on the button....

Love it...
 
It is great for moving objects...

AI servo set...
Pick the object up on the back button
keep tracking the subject..
Click to shoot when you like...

No 1/2 press trying not to shoot when your not ready, losing focus because you let up a little on the button....

Love it...

Hopefully this is set this up now, will see how it works.

Regards.
 
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That was being patient, extremely so.


The links already provided on this thread give all the info needed when used in conjunction with the camera's user manual, and short of completely retyping the guides that show up on the first 5 links of a Google search what else did you expect someone to do?

It obviously worked since you've edited your original comment.
 
Good post Tim....

I use the same settings and technique as you... smallest number of points, back button focus etc...
Sample here where I had been using Zone AF earlier but falling light levels meant that the camera was struggling to distinguish between the subject and the background, especially when my aim was a bit off. This is with a single AF point plus expansion....

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Vertigo1 said:
Ok I've had my 7D for all of four days now so barely got to grips with it yet.

I'd heard the AF system was complex but OMG!

Does anyone have any links to good guides (or even books) on the 7D's AF system as I'd like to learn as much as I can so I'm confident I'm getting the best from it as it's obviously the main difference from my old 40D, the AF on which looks laughably simple by comparison :)

The manual really only states what each option does without going into what's best for a given situation. In addition to the basic settings there's a raft of custom functions in there too!

Any advice/links appreciated :D

Talking about how superior the 7d's AF system are makes me wonder how does it compare to the 5d mark 2's. Is it that obvious?
 
Talking about how superior the 7d's AF system are makes me wonder how does it compare to the 5d mark 2's. Is it that obvious?

Well AFAIK, the 5Dii's AF system is much the same 9-point one as found on the 40/50/60D. Whilst there's nothing wrong with it per se, having just come from a 40D, I'm staggered at how flexible the 7D's system is.
 
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