Canon eos 400d help

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Having just purchased a Canon 400d SLR I need help with a few questions.

I am keen to buy some filters such as a Skylight and an IR filter but need help, My lens is a standard kit lens, a 18-55.
What fitting will i need ? I think it's a 55mm
Also they vary in price, what is the difference ?

Secondly, would a very basic flashgun available in jessops be any good? i think it's about £40

Anyone else who owns a 400D who would like offer any advice on either the kit or photography techniques would be appreciated.
Thanks
 
It's not exclusive to 400D users!

A skylight filter should screw straight onto the end of the lens, the fitting diameter should be shown on the end of the lens with a diameter symbol (it looks like a circle with a diagonal line running through it). My 18-55mm IS kit lens (not sure if it's the same as your version) takes a 58mm diameter filter. The 18-55mm refers to the focal length. It's not an exciting filter (it's a good idea to get one to protect the end of your lens from possible scratches etc., but it will take the bluish cast off your pics).

In terms of flashes, I'm saving for a Canon 480EX flash... it's a good idea to have a flash with a pivoting head that you can bounce the light with, rather than aiming at the subject, you bounce it off the ceiling etc. to diffuse the light. You can get off-camera cords, which will let you separate the flash from the camera slightly. Look at http://www.strobist.blogspot.com/ for lighting. There's a lot to it, and I'm still slooowly learning about lighting. Just got to get saving!
 
BTW, I've got a HOYA UV on one lens, a Kenko on another and a 7dayshop one on my kit lens... they're pretty much of a muchness in my opinion. I wouldn't bother spending more than £12 on one.

As far as IR filters go, I can't help you on that one, but I know Cokin do a whole range of filters, with a filter holder that screws into the end of the lens, and you can 'stack' the filters, such as grads, tints etc.

I'm pretty sure that the front part your lens will rotate on focussing, so it's not the best lens to use filters with, as they'll rotate with it - a pain if you're using a grad or a polarising filter.

Great camera, btw! Have to say, my best purchase with my 400D was a cheapo Canon 50mm 1.8 prime lens. There's no zoom on this lens and the build quality is around the same as the kit lens, but the quality from it is superb (I love it for portraits). Also, I'd recommend getting some lens cleaning equipment and a decent bag to house it all.
 
Gotta remember , filters will degrade the image quality/sharpness of your shots. ESPECIALLY if they are cheap filters.

My advice, don't bother!
Unless you have like a £1000 lens, which then you could afford a £200 filter :D

Just be careful not to scratch the front element of the lens. (It is a kit lens, so it's not worth allot being brutally honest!)
 
Thank's for the quick replies, I think i'm just getting excited about accessories.

I should really just spend more time just getting to know my new camera. Really happy with it so far.

Cheers
 
I used to have the 18-55mm non-IS kit lens and it takes a 58mm filter - something like a skylight or UV filter can be useful and it can help protect the front element from scratches or dents in the filter thread. You can get them fairly cheaply but if you have properly expensive lenses then you don't want to skimp on cheap plastic in front of them.

The only other filters that are particularly useful are maybe a Circular Polarizing filter and a Neutral Density filter (either gradient or not) but make sure you know why you want them.

Unless you're really into that type of photography an IR filter isn't going to be much use to you.


On the flash, the cheapest ones aren't very adjustable and you'll quickly find you want to be able to change things... look for one that's got manual adjustment of the power settings and has a flash-head that can swivel, tilt and zoom. You can live without things like PC-cord sync or stroboscopic.
The closest thing to the Canon 430ex is the Jessops 360AFD which is normally about £99 but you can find them secondhand much cheaper (if you're happy with secondhand stuff, there's not much that can go wrong with them!)
 
You may like to consider getting a grip for it, handles much better, especially in big hands ;)
 
Thank's for the quick replies, I think i'm just getting excited about accessories.

I should really just spend more time just getting to know my new camera. Really happy with it so far.

Cheers

And so you should be :D

Deffo spend more time on getting to know her.
In the meantime, start saving your pennies.

You ARE going to need lot's of them soon, trust me!!
 
You may like to consider getting a grip for it, handles much better, especially in big hands ;)

I'll second that! (though my hands arnt that big...)
 
As a fellow 400d user of 2 years, I would forget about filters for now, and focus on other things. IMHO when you get this kit, you get a good camera with a rubbish lens.
For every day, general photography, I use the following....

Canon EOS 400D Body.
Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens & Canon EW-78BII Lens Hood
Canon BG-E3 Battery Grip.
Canon SpeedLite 430EX.

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If I were you, I'd get a better lens first.
 
As a fellow 400d user of 2 years, I would forget about filters for now, and focus on other things. IMHO when you get this kit, you get a good camera with a rubbish lens.
For every day, general photography, I use the following....

Canon EOS 400D Body.
Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens & Canon EW-78BII Lens Hood
Canon BG-E3 Battery Grip.
Canon SpeedLite 430EX.

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If I were you, I'd get a better lens first.

What sort of lens should i get ? i am keen on both landscape and portrait photography. Not quite sure on the technical side of lenses so i'm not sure what the big difference is.....

Also what type of lens hood is that on your camera and what benefit does it have ?
 
I use the Canon EF 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens which cost around £350-£400 and when mounted on the 400D gives you a good platform to start learning DSLR photography.

There' s the Canon EF-S 18-200mm f3.5-5.6 IS Lens and the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens which both hover around the £500 mark.

The 400D model may be around 2 years old but the body is still worth around £400. The basic 18-55mm kit lens is only worth around £60. At the very least, IMHO, you should have a £250 lens on your 400D and if you can afford it, a lens that cost around the same price as you camera body.

Remember, I'm no expert myself, but I would insist on a lens with the IS (Image Stabiliser) system build in.

P.S. To everyone else who reads this thread... I do know about the EF 50mm f1.8 lens. I own one.
 
I have owned the 400d for around 3 years now. It is a good camera in places. If you want to get into Infra-Red pictures, I would suggest buying a cheap R72 filter. I say cheap, because the 400d is not great for IR I think. There are two reasons for this, the camera has an internal IR filter, which blocks the infra-red light coming in. The camera does not handle noise on long exposures, or noise from high ISO that well.
The latest version of the firmware, 1.1.1, made a large difference to my camera and the handling of the noise. Uploading the firmware is easy enough.
The kit lens has a 58mm filter, you can also get stepping rings, that change the filter size, so if you are feeling flush, it is an idea to get the largest size you are likely to need, and use stepping rings to get there. For me, the largest size I have is 77mm. For filters which increase the time of an exposure a lot (like an R72 IR filter, or an ND filter), there is a school of thought which suggests that screw in filters are best, as they are less likely to allow light to get in the side. If you do do long exposures, remember to use the eyepiece cap as well (should be on the neck strap).
There are two schools on flashguns for basic use. One is to go the cheap and cheerful route, like the ones in Jessops, then you have not had to spend out much if it doesn't work out. However, the cheap route might also mean that the flash requires more manual input.
Or, to go the full-out route, I went this way, with the 580 exII recently. This flash works in an automatic way, it can calculate the distance to the subject, and modify the power output of the flash accordingly. If you want, as a basic user, all you need to do is dial in an amount of exposure compensation should the flash get it slightly wrong. However, if you want to do more interesting things too, it supports multi-flash/strobe modes and full manual control as well.
On the lens front, the 18-55 lens is meant to have been good for a kit lens at the time that it came out. I classify lenses myself as not good, ok, good, great, with unfortunately the price of 'great' ones always being more than the others. On a crop camera, my understanding is that lens focal lengths up to ~50mm are usual for portraits (but rules are there to be broken). There are two things that are kinda important for a portrait, the framing of the person/body part in the picture, and the background.
Most people think that a nice blurred background helps to bring attention to the person in the portrait. For this, you need to have a wide aperture lens. Unfortunately, the wider the aperture, the more expensive the lens. However, there is a good, cheap lens which is a place to start with portraits, and that is the 'nifty fifty', or to give it its real name, the Canon 50mm f/1.8. This is a relatively cheap ~£75 at the moment lens, about the same price of a good filter, and allows one to experiment with large apertures, without a huge outlay.
Should you feel that a fixed focal length is to restrictive, then the Canon 28-135 IS lens is a good lens, I also use mine for some landscapes. The lens has image stabilisation built in. You need to remember though that IS only helps the camera stay still, if there is movement in the picture, it will still be blurred. Although IS can be of benefit to lower focal length lenses, it really comes into its realm of use for long focal lengths. Also on this lens, it has the older type of IS, so you need to remember to turn it off if using it on a tripod (good practice anyway), and does not really support panning a moving target.
 
At the time of launch, a 400D might well have been £400... now they're changing hands for around £250 second-hand. I bought mine second hand because it was a good way into getting a decent digital camera.

Surely it makes more sense to build up your kit slowly over time and work out what lenses you're most likely to use... and when you're comfortable with the camera, then upgrade to a better lens. £500 is a LOT of money, especially if you wind up blowing it on a lens that might not suit your needs. Credit crunch and all that. A while ago I picked up a Sigma 70-300 APO secondhand and have since found that I don't use it as much as I thought I would, it gets occasional use.

The cheap kit lens (not the one that originally shipped with the 400D, the one that superceded it) comes with IS and can be picked up secondhand for around £70ish - it does a good job. There's also a lot of love around here for the Canon 1.8 50mm - for a good reason. They're not bad lenses. Sure, they're not in the same league as L glass or the more expensive Canon lenses, but they do a good job nonetheless.

Also I wouldn't dismiss getting a UV filter. They're really important in order to protect each lens - and you don't have to go expensive on them. I'd also get some decent cleaning kit, a decent camera bag to to keep things protected, a flash and a tripod (again these needn't be expensive). In terms of the flash, you don't need an all-singing-all-dancing flash, as long as it's got the tilt to bounce light, you could pick up a cheapish off-camera cord (£15-ish) to supplement it.

It's not all about the kit... It's easy to get swept up in having the newest, shiniest bits of kit, but you don't need to spend hundreds and hundreds to take good shots :thumbs:
 
It's a brilliant camera! Great fun.

Your filters will be 58mm though- and if you can afford the speedlight, go for it, even second hand. Jessops gear, by comparison, is terrible.
 
just thought id add my 2 cents.

The sigma 17-70 dg macro is a great general purpose lens for a tight budget. I think its about £250 new and is surprisingly good all round, although you will get some distortion at the wide end.
 
just thought id add my 2 cents.

The sigma 17-70 dg macro is a great general purpose lens for a tight budget. I think its about £250 new and is surprisingly good all round, although you will get some distortion at the wide end.


Another vote for the Sigma 17-70 DG Macro - :clap:

This happens to be the best lens I have now, and the one I use the most to be honest.
 
I use the Canon EF 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens which cost around £350-£400 and when mounted on the 400D gives you a good platform to start learning DSLR photography.

There' s the Canon EF-S 18-200mm f3.5-5.6 IS Lens and the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens which both hover around the £500 mark.

The 400D model may be around 2 years old but the body is still worth around £400. The basic 18-55mm kit lens is only worth around £60. At the very least, IMHO, you should have a £250 lens on your 400D and if you can afford it, a lens that cost around the same price as you camera body.

Remember, I'm no expert myself, but I would insist on a lens with the IS (Image Stabiliser) system build in.

P.S. To everyone else who reads this thread... I do know about the EF 50mm f1.8 lens. I own one.

You can get the 28-135 IS for much less than that! Its £270 new at Camerbox

http://www.camerabox.co.uk/productD...on-EF-28-135mm-f3.5-5.6-IS-USM&ProductID=2287

If only I had the cash, I'd be putting my order in today!
 
The stock lens on the 400D is not bad but not brill. First recomendation is to change that and I was in a dilemma at first as to what to get but in the end went for the 28-135 IS, whch is a luverly lens. Used, you should be able to pick one up for less than £200.

And a used 400D body is worth around the £200 mark used, prob a touch more with the lens.
 
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