Canon G7x and Sony RX100ii

G7x without question. Wider at the wide and and has a faster lens. As you know from my other post I find that Sony files need more PP to get the colours right, particularly the greens.

However, your title says the RX100 M2 but you've linked a comparison to the M3, my comments above are regarding the M2. However, between the G7x and M3 it becomes a little more tricky. Again as you know I tried the M3 but sent it back due to very slight inconsistencies in AF performance (tried 2 different cameras). MF was 100% accurate. Doesn't seem to bother most folk though so probably only the really picky people like me need to worry about this. The camera shop (who I rate extremely highly by the way) said that you have to expect things like this with cameras of this ilk, but I also tried the G5x and that was 100% consistent. If the G5x had performed the same then I'd have kept the Sony as I'd have to accept that this is the way it is, but knowing that I could get a more consistent camera I knew I wouldn't be able to 'cope' with the Sony :oops: :$:oops: :$:oops: :$ One other thing I found odd with the Sony during my test shots (which I did after I'd seen some inconsistencies) was that when you stopped down to f4 and smaller it underexposed 0.7ev despite it being on auto ISO.

Anyway I digress, forgetting the price for a second, the Sony offers more. Obviously there's the viewfinder, which whilst small and awkward to use will come in handy for those odd occasions you just can't see the LCD due to bright light, a major plus over the Canon. Another one is that you can bounce the flash. OK it's not powerful enough to do this often, but can be of use at times. You can modify the Canon to do this too, but it's a hack. The shot to shot time using RAW (time from taking a shot to it being ready to take the next shot) is pretty much instant on the Sony, on the Canon it takes about a second which can be annoying on the odd occasion, the G5x is slightly worse still. Again, it's hardly going to be a camera that you rattle shots off with so doubt it will be much of an issue, but thought I'd mention it. Here's a video to demonstrate (not mine), as you can see it's really not that bad.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fviw6aUJJBg


Edge/corner sharpness of the Sony M3 is a touch better, but I guess this is the price you pay for longer reach on the Canon. So it's really a tough call. I managed to find a mint used M3 with warranty for a touch over the (amazon) price of a new G7x and if it wasn't for my annoyingly keen eye I'd have kept this, as it stands I'm now in the market for a G7x, I just hope I don't miss the viewfinder.
 
snerkler said:
G7x without question. Wider at the wide and and has a faster lens. As you know from my other post I find that Sony files need more PP to get the colours right, particularly the greens.

However, your title says the RX100 M2 but you've linked a comparison to the M3, my comments above are regarding the M2. However, between the G7x and M3 it becomes a little more tricky. Again as you know I tried the M3 but sent it back due to very slight inconsistencies in AF performance (tried 2 different cameras). MF was 100% accurate. Doesn't seem to bother most folk though so probably only the really picky people like me need to worry about this. The camera shop (who I rate extremely highly by the way) said that you have to expect things like this with cameras of this ilk, but I also tried the G5x and that was 100% consistent. If the G5x had performed the same then I'd have kept the Sony as I'd have to accept that this is the way it is, but knowing that I could get a more consistent camera I knew I wouldn't be able to 'cope' with the Sony :oops: :$:oops: :$:oops: :$ One other thing I found odd with the Sony during my test shots (which I did after I'd seen some inconsistencies) was that when you stopped down to f4 and smaller it underexposed 0.7ev despite it being on auto ISO.

Anyway I digress, forgetting the price for a second, the Sony offers more. Obviously there's the viewfinder, which whilst small and awkward to use will come in handy for those odd occasions you just can't see the LCD due to bright light, a major plus over the Canon. Another one is that you can bounce the flash. OK it's not powerful enough to do this often, but can be of use at times. You can modify the Canon to do this too, but it's a hack. The shot to shot time using RAW (time from taking a shot to it being ready to take the next shot) is pretty much instant on the Sony, on the Canon it takes about a second which can be annoying on the odd occasion, the G5x is slightly worse still. Again, it's hardly going to be a camera that you rattle shots off with so doubt it will be much of an issue, but thought I'd mention it. Here's a video to demonstrate (not mine), as you can see it's really not that bad.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fviw6aUJJBg


Edge/corner sharpness of the Sony M3 is a touch better, but I guess this is the price you pay for longer reach on the Canon. So it's really a tough call. I managed to find a mint used M3 with warranty for a touch over the (amazon) price of a new G7x and if it wasn't for my annoyingly keen eye I'd have kept this, as it stands I'm now in the market for a G7x, I just hope I don't miss the viewfinder.
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Brilliant thanks
I put the dxo thing to show how good the g7x compared but it woukd be the mkii i was comparing it to but think there wasnt much dxo diff in mk i to mk ii
Wat does the g5x bring apart from the viewfinder and £200 more?
Thanks again great review
 
What a timely thread. Been looking at both with a view to ordering one on the used market.

What will you be shooting?
 
Don't know about the Sony but I really like the G7X, the files are really nice to work with in Lightroom, with a highish dynamic range, you can play about with the sliders to your hearts content. The build quality seems top notch. Couple of weeks ago I dropped mine, first time I've ever dropped a camera. Big gouge in the control ring, the lens cover blades came flying off. I've taken them off now and with its metal body it all still works perfectly.
 
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Don't know about the Sony but I really like the G7X, the files are really nice to work with in Lightroom, with a highish dynamic range, you can play about with the sliders to your hearts content. The build quality seems top notch. Couple of weeks ago I dropped mine, first time I've ever dropped a camera. Big gouge in the control ring, the lens cover blades came flying off. I've taken them off now and with its metal body it all still works perfectly.
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Did you get a lens cap for it?
 
SsSsSsSsSnake said:
Did you get a lens cap for it?
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Not yet Chris, I'm watching a few on eBay at the mo. Apparently an old style plastic 57mm push fit cap will do the job. By the way, I bought mine from Simply Electronics for £288 (with a discount code). I know some who've had problems with SE but my transaction was very quick and easy.
 
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SsSsSsSsSnake said:
Brilliant thanks
I put the dxo thing to show how good the g7x compared but it woukd be the mkii i was comparing it to but think there wasnt much dxo diff in mk i to mk ii
Wat does the g5x bring apart from the viewfinder and £200 more?
Thanks again great review
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Better handling/ergonomics, handles like a mini DSLR and having the front control dial as well the control ring around the lens and control dial on the back means settings (such as aperture, shutter etc) can be changed more easily. One thing I found odd with the Sony/G7x is that, when in aperture priority (the same applies for shutter priority) and you have the front control ring (the one around the lens) set to standard this controls aperture, but so does the little control dial on the rear and you can't customise the rear one. I found it better to have the front control ring changing ISO, and then the rear one changed aperture. The only 'issue' came when shooting manual as you have to press a button to change the rear dial from aperture to shutter (not really an issue in reality). Obviously with the extra control dial on the G5x you could have say ISO set to the front control ring, aperture set to the front control dial, and shutter to the rear.

Shooting DSLR and m4/3 the G5x certainly felt more natural to use and if I wasn't concerned about pocketability would definitely be the one I'd go for (despite the slow shot to shot time in RAW), but as it is I want something pocketable. The G7x-II has apparently improved shot to shot speed quite a bit (certainly watching the pre-production model on youtube this seems to be the case) and so I can imagine the G5x-II would be nigh on perfect, if you're not concerned with pocektablility.
 
SsSsSsSsSnake said:
Same sensor in 5x and 7x , why do you think there is a speed shot difference?
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Not sure, maybe sample variation although I do actually think the manuals state different shooting speeds. Could be wrong though, my memory's not the best ;)

Edit: G7x states 6.5 fps, G5x 5.9 fps. That's jpeg though, how this will translate into RAW shooting differences I'm not sure.
 
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No David,was looking for an addition :) Ive got an AX1 with 16-50 coming and looking at the XT10.love the X30
Hows it going?
 
I had a play with both and i preferred the Canon to be honest,the zoom ring for manual focus is a little stiff but the whole thing feels nice and solid and responsive,

its something i would like to buy just to have,if I wasn't getting the fuji i would have bought it today
 
Thanks for your feedback @SsSsSsSsSnake. There is no camera shop near me that stocks both so finding it difficult to test in person. Sony is a bit of a change? The creative stuff and bokeh goodness would always come from my D750 but wanted something to grab family moments without the bulk. I really missed having something last night when out for a meal. The smartphone captured mushy grainy mess when indoors so want to order something soon.
 
I have the D750 and found neither the RX100 nor G7x suited me better tbh, both are different and take a bit of learning (not long tbh). The RX100-III menu system is more extensive and you can customise more than the G7x. The G5x is a much better menu system than the G7x imo, the G7x menu looked and felt old, like it was done in the mid 2000's ;)
 
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