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There's an entire thread on this review elsewhere here, Graeme. :)
 
No surprise there, the 6yr old d700 beats it!
 
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rjbell said:
No surprise there, the 6yr old d700 beats it!
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How? A quote from the article by Ross, "Nikon D700 advocates. This is your next camera. Your prayers have been answered (I came from a D700 by the way, a fantastic camera). The low light and AF increase is game changing".
 
Swanseajack said:
How? A quote from the article by Ross, "Nikon D700 advocates. This is your next camera. Your prayers have been answered (I came from a D700 by the way, a fantastic camera). The low light and AF increase is game changing".
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Think it was referring to the 5d3 :)
 
High iso noise wise, the 5d3 was all over the d700 and arguably even better than the d800 - the newer sony sensors however, a7s / d810 / df and now the d750 (being new tech) do leave the 5d3 at least a stop behind.

But, so what - does this mean that 10yrs ago nobody shot wedding receptions or in darker environments?
 
dkh said:
High iso noise wise, the 5d3 was all over the d700 and arguably even better than the d800
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Give over, there were some good responses in this thread till you spouted this garbage. So funny yet so I'll informed

The 5d3 didn't match the D700 for high ISO and even the 1DX doesn't match the D800
 
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How? A quote from the article by Ross, "Nikon D700 advocates. This is your next camera. Your prayers have been answered (I came from a D700 by the way, a fantastic camera). The low light and AF increase is game changing".
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Yes I was referring to the d700 being a better high iso performer and DR than the 5diii.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Give over, there were some good responses in this thread till you spouted this garbage. So funny yet so I'll informed

The 5d3 didn't match the D700 for high ISO and even the 1DX doesn't match the D800
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I've not read any testing sites on the subject, but having owned both I would say the 5D3 is quite a bit better than the D700 at high ISO, and even more so when the former is downsampled to match the 12mp of the Nikon.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Give over, there were some good responses in this thread till you spouted this garbage. So funny yet so I'll informed

The 5d3 didn't match the D700 for high ISO and even the 1DX doesn't match the D800
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The 1DX unfortunately is way better than the d800 for high iso and matches the 4 stop under exposure lifting of the d4. So ill informed!
 
dkh said:
The 1DX unfortunately is way better than the d800 for high iso and matches the 4 stop under exposure lifting of the d4. So ill informed!
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Nope, ive owned both and the D800 is clearly better, backed up by DXO official test results as well, check bottom of page http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-1D-X-vs-Nikon-D800/specs

Downsample the D800 to the 1DX file size and its another kick up the rear for the 1DX
 
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Gary Coyle said:
Give over, there were some good responses in this thread till you spouted this garbage. So funny yet so I'll informed

The 5d3 didn't match the D700 for high ISO and even the 1DX doesn't match the D800
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Who cares. It all cobblers. Nikon are better with noise and dynamic range because they use the Sony sensor. It only matters if you want to change brands or own a Nikon.

Its just one aspect of choosing a camera. Great cameras but erogonomically Nikons are a bloody nightmare for me so I would never buy one. And the 5D3 is good enough for me as is the 1DX.

Recently i was photographing alondside a guy using a D4. My 1DX was running off sequences of 12-14 frames perfectly in focus. His D4 wasnt even close. Does it make the 1DX a better camera. No, not really, but maybe better in this instance. Another time, another place maybe the D4 would come up trumps.

Too much emphasis on sensor quality and noise, as though its the holy grail of image quality.
 
Gaz J said:
Who cares. It all cobblers. Nikon are better with noise and dynamic range because they use the Sony sensor. It only matters if you want to change brands or own a Nikon.

Its just one aspect of choosing a camera. Great cameras but erogonomically Nikons are a bloody nightmare for me so I would never buy one. And the 5D3 is good enough for me as is the 1DX.

Recently i was photographing alondside a guy using a D4. My 1DX was running off sequences of 12-14 frames perfectly in focus. His D4 wasnt even close. Does it make the 1DX a better camera. No, not really, but maybe better in this instance. Another time, another place maybe the D4 would come up trumps.

Too much emphasis on sensor quality and noise, as though its the holy grail of image quality.
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That only proves the guy using the Nikon D4 doesnt know how to set his camera up correctlybecause ive blown 1DX's out of the water with a D3S

But i cant do anything but agree with your opening statement, No it doesnt really matter and yes it is all cobblers, unfortunatly Nikon and Canon know to sell gear and the cobblers works for sales
 
Gary Coyle said:
That only proves the guy using the Nikon D4 doesnt know how to set his camera up correctlybecause ive blown 1DX's out of the water with a D3S


But i cant do anything but agree with your opening statement, No it doesnt really matter and yes it is all cobblers, unfortunatly Nikon and Canon know to sell gear and the cobblers works for sales
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Guess the guy didnt know how to use his 1DX :)

He might take issue with you on that Gary. But its a fair point.

Poorly exposed images will test even the best sensors while well exposed ones make life a lot easier for those sensors that dont have the dynamic range.
I will be the first to admit that Nikon still have the edge in high ISO noise and dynamic range and if I was a landscape photographer i would have a D810 and put up with the quirky ergonomics for that very reason.

Canon raised their game with the 5D3 and 1DX and moved a little closer. It will be interesting to see the 7DMkII sensor range and noise to see if they have upped their game in the crop sensor as well.
 
I genuinely do not get the Nikon "quirky ergonomics" line. Having owned several bodies from each side I'd say that Nikon bodies handle much easier.
 
The23rdman said:
I genuinely do not get the Nikon "quirky ergonomics" line. Having owned several bodies from each side I'd say that Nikon bodies handle much easier.
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That's obviously just a matter of personal preference. I've also had several bodies and I prefer the 'feel' of a Canon.
 
Oh boy I wish I didn't read that! Going to give this some serious consideration, might opt for the dark side...
 
The23rdman said:
I genuinely do not get the Nikon "quirky ergonomics" line. Having owned several bodies from each side I'd say that Nikon bodies handle much easier.
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Its a personal thing. I cant operate a D4 as easily as my 1DX. The buttons just dont seem to be in the right place for me. Im not saying its not good just not right for me. Even the shutter button seems to be in the wrong place.

I could live with a D810 for landscape but for sports, wildlife i couldnt live with a D4.

"Oh boy I wish I didn't read that! Going to give this some serious consideration, might opt for the dark side...

That was my initial thought, I've heavily invested in canon gear now tho, so won't be changing we just need canon to bring out something on par"

Its not new. Nikon have led Canon on noise and dynamic range for some time. If thats all that matters to you then you should buy a Nikon. But for me its just part of the reason for buying a camera and other aspects that determine how it handles are just as important to me.

Nikon do some things better, canon do some thing better. You need to choose whats most important to you and but accordingly.
 
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Gary Coyle said:
Give over, there were some good responses in this thread till you spouted this garbage. So funny yet so I'll informed

The 5d3 didn't match the D700 for high ISO and even the 1DX doesn't match the D800
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http://www.clickinmoms.com/blog/one-photogs-comparison-nikon-d700-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii/

http://www.techradar.com/news/photo...rk-iii-vs-nikon-d800-1082753/5#articleContent

Don't seem to agree with you Gary - but as this thread has matured into a more informed discussion the above is by and by. And, it is widely known that snapsort and dxo test only the sensor rather than the actual output file via the cameras inbuilt processors.
 
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http://www.clickinmoms.com/blog/one-photogs-comparison-nikon-d700-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii/

http://www.techradar.com/news/photo...rk-iii-vs-nikon-d800-1082753/5#articleContent

Don't seem to agree with you Gary - but as this thread has matured into a more informed discussion the above is by and by. And, it is widely known that snapsort and dxo test only the sensor rather than the actual output file via the cameras inbuilt processors.
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Then why did you choose to post it and take it away from the more informed discussion it became

But feel free to come along in another couple of days to take it off tangent again.

I know what i know, ive owned all the cameras in discussion here and IMHO the 5D3 is the worst at handling high ISO's
 
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We need to ban these threads. More brand loyalty posturing on these than anything else on the forum :)

The best camera is the one that you own. And if it isnt then why do you own it.
 
Forums are used for information - I don't think this thread will disappear in two / three or even four months - facts not personal opinions should survive.

The D700, which I had and used for sports was usable up to 3200 (the files were not compareable to the later 5d3 files at high iso). I got it for high iso when I had the 5d2. I had the 5d3 and used it along side someone who used a D800. the d800 was usable to 6400 iso before looking very bad - the 5d3 was usable in extreme situations to 12800. But, at 6400 is was usable. this is all over the internet, not my opinion.

Now, I have and use a 6D (auto iso limited to 6400) and a D750 (auto iso to 12800). You could say I know what I know but, it's backed up by others experiences all over the internet.
 
But there are other opinions out there that don't agree with that. As i said before it doesnt matter. For me the "5D3/D800 which is better" is about more than noise and dynamic range. I think that the 5D3 has strengths that the D800/810 doesnt have and most of all i like the customisation options of the 5D that allows me to tailor the camera for ease of use. Similarly the 1DX. Being able to change iso, focus points, focus areas, exposure compensation, one shot af to AI servo etc without removing the camera from my eye is important for me. Then there is lens range which in certain circumstances can influence decisions.

It puzzles me why folk feel the need to defend their model/brand is the face of other opinion. If you are happy with your camera and it produces the quality of image that satisfies you then that's all that matters. There will always be something somewhere that has an edge on something else.

Ive probably only taken a handful of images where having a D800/810 would have given me a better result. Ive taken many more that I might have not got had I owned a D800/810.

Just enjoy what you've got. They are all exceptional bits of kit.
 
dkh said:
The D700, which I had and used for sports was usable up to 3200 (the files were not compareable to the later 5d3 files at high iso). I got it for high iso when I had the 5d2. I had the 5d3 and used it along side someone who used a D800. the d800 was usable to 6400 iso before looking very bad - the 5d3 was usable in extreme situations to 12800. But, at 6400 is was usable. this is all over the internet, not my opinion.
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D700 @ ISO 6,400 F/4 http://gcsports.zenfolio.com/p432611443/h26510d9#h26510d9

D800 @ ISO 12,800 F/4 http://gcsports.zenfolio.com/p649796395/h5919e5da#h5919e5da

These were so unuseable, the D800 one so much so that it was used in the RL and National papers
 
I like those Gary

Guess you were really lucky that the paper couldnt find any better quality ones for that game :exit:
 
Ah, another TP knob measuring thread.

Great.
 
Ah, another TP knob measuring thread.

Great.
 
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