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Been reading through quite a few posts here about the D7000, as I am thinking about getting one.

A lot of the posts mention that the D7000 is not that good at taking fast action / sports shots ect, which is Mainly what I want a good camera for, aswell as good portrait shots ect.

Got me thinking about which model to get now:thinking:

I really want a good Highish End DSLR, In about the D7000 price range that will do what I want.

Any Ideas or advice on which one / model ????

Thanks Kevin
 
I used to have a D7000, it was, and still is, an excellent camera. The buffer is around 2 to 3 seconds in raw @ 6fps but more if you shoot jpeg. It was never an issue for me but could be for others. The D300/D300s has a bigger buffer and more af points (not that it is an issue on the D7000) but the IQ is better on the D7000 as the sensor and processors are all later tech. Horses for courses - and no doubt you can take great photos with either.
 
Thanks.
What I should have asked first was, which DLSR, is best for taking fast moving action shots. or are they all basically the same??
 
Buy the one you can spell ;)
(your thread title)

Joking aside, get down to a Jessops or Currys.digital and feel a few in your hand. Some people just prefer the feel of a Canon/Nikon, button placement can be slightly different etc.

The majority of professional sports / motorsports togs seem to use Canon (look at the sidelines / media areas at events with loads of white lenses), but Nikon also does a variant of pretty much all the same lenses as Canon.
 
I showed up with a D7000 to do some sports photography and they gave me a 1Dx lol.
 
If you want a cheap, but hugely capable camera, look for a used Canon 1D IIn, or a Nikon D2x. Both are pro bodies, and are still good today. Canon has 9FPS and Nikon 8FPS with fast buffer speeds. They'll take a lot of punishment as well. I've owned both, and prefer the Canon, but in the real world, I'd like the canon with the Nikon lens range. Ain't life a b*tch!

Either way, for around the same price as a mid range consumer SLR, you can get a pro body, in near mint condition, and a shutter life that will last an amateur 10 years.

Good hunting.
 
kevinp said:
Thanks.
What I should have asked first was, which DLSR, is best for taking fast moving action shots. or are they all basically the same??
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Not having shot with too many Canon cameras (I have shot some cannons though ;)) of the current crop cameras the D7 seems good, I have used the D50 and that was nice, but not in sports or machine gunned. The D300/D300s would generally be the sports crop body from Nikon for rapid fire stuff, if you don't want or need multi second bursts then just about any of the later crop bodies will be fine, the D7000 for example would work fine ime (just as long as you don't want to shoot 10 second bursts in raw ;)). Probably more important is how the camera feels in the hand, having buttons in the right place for you means you will use it more and ultimately miss less shots. If low light isn't an issue then the above suggestion of something like a Canon 1D or a Nikon D2x may be worth a look too. Again though, how the camera handles is to me as important as such things as buffers and fps (well to me it is more important).
 
You also have to take the lens into account, for fast moving objects you need a quick focusing lens, especially if they are coming towards you, panning side on
isn't such an issue.
 
hi get a shortlist of cameras and then go and try them, you have mentioned d7000 so look at the canon 7d and 70d. you will have to factor a lens or 2 in as well so for fast sports you want some good glass and also for portraits same applies so look at spending the the same money on the lenses as well
 
ACW said:
.............., get down to a Jessops or Currys.digital and feel a few in your hand. Some people just prefer the feel of a Canon/Nikon, button placement can be slightly different etc.
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When I was looking for a camera at the end of last year, I read this advice a few times. I remember thinking, does it really make that much difference? :shrug:

For someone that had never even had a DSLR camera in their hands, I was amazed at the difference there was between the feel of a Canon and a Nikon, granted I was looking at entry level, but the Nikon just felt so much better :)
 
Sports is a bit of a nightmare for the D7000. The buffer is a bit terrible so you really have to know what you're doing.

I usually end up shooting jpg because the buffer slows me down too much.

For everything else, the D7000 is a fantastic camera and a pleasure to use but for sports, it's annoying.

I believe this would be the same for the equivalent Canon model though so comes down to how it feels and lens choice.
 
The only advantage with the Canon, is that they pronounce the name the same all over the world, Nikon however..... :D

H
 
+1 for the Canon 1D MKII or 1D MKIIn, its only an 8MP camera, but you are not going to be printing above A2 with sports photos.

Fast.Realiable.Good Buffer Speed and very reasonably priced. I still have the MKIIn and its taken a beating and still going strong. had the 7D for Soccer but did not rate it much for sharpness (still soft images for me)
 
shooting sports i wouldnt worry about the RAW buffer.. you really shoudlnt be shooting sports in RAW to start wiht...

As for your question..

Find the nikon camera you like (you have found the d7000)
Find the canon equivelant.. (probably a 7d not sure)
Toss a coin
 
kevinp said:
Been reading through quite a few posts here about the D7000, as I am thinking about getting one.

A lot of the posts mention that the D7000 is not that good at taking fast action / sports shots ect, which is Mainly what I want a good camera for, aswell as good portrait shots ect.

Got me thinking about which model to get now:thinking:

I really want a good Highish End DSLR, In about the D7000 price range that will do what I want.

Any Ideas or advice on which one / model ????

Thanks Kevin
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if you don't need video go for a d300 with grip 8fps, or a d700 with a grip same frame rate with a grip but ff (my choice), or if you need video then d300s. as you already own a nikon it gets expensive to change unless you hav'nt spent much yet/built up some gear. hth mike.
 
I'd also look at prices of lenses and way up which will be better suited to your budget, those long lenses ain't cheap.
 
ACW said:
Buy the one you can spell ;)
(your thread title)
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You could also have said, from his choices the best one would be the Nikon.

Try as hard as I can, I have yet to get my Cannon to take any sort of photo, but it does do an excellent roast beef ;).
 
Dave1 said:
You could also have said, from his choices the best one would be the Nikon.

Try as hard as I can, I have yet to get my Cannon to take any sort of photo, but it does do an excellent roast beef ;).
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You don't know what you are missing till you get a Stoves!
 
Dave1 said:
You could also have said, from his choices the best one would be the Nikon.

Try as hard as I can, I have yet to get my Cannon to take any sort of photo, but it does do an excellent roast beef ;).
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Think how much beef you could fit in this bad boy. They also use the same colour off white, what a beauty. The model below isn't compatible with my 7D though.

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kevinp said:
Thanks.
What I should have asked first was, which DLSR, is best for taking fast moving action shots. or are they all basically the same??
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They're far from all the same, the best is the Canon 1dx, it's close to 5 grand body only, then for motorsport and portraits, if you want the best, you'll want about another 10 grand for lenses. (I'd go with the 35 1.4, 50 1.2, 85 1.2, 135 2.0, 300 2.8 70-200 2.8 and the 300 2.8 and 1.4 and 2x extenders)

Of course if we had a budget to qualify against best, and some idea of your experience and whether you're prepared to get 2nd hand, and whether you want pro level build quality or you're happy to live with lighter cheaper build and what sort of motorsport (tracks need longer lenses, rallying shorter but faster).
 
Phil V said:
They're far from all the same, the best is the Canon 1dx, it's close to 5 grand body only, then for motorsport and portraits, if you want the best, you'll want about another 10 grand for lenses.
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For football my pitchside setup costs 17 thousand pounds.. and I havent got the best equipment :(
 
KIPAX said:
For football my pitchside setup costs 17 thousand pounds.. and I havent got the best equipment :(
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Yeah, we've far from the best gear either and our wedding setup is eye watering. (4 cameras, multiple flashguns, 7 or 8 fast lenses), I could easily spend another 10 grand just upgrading to FF without an improvement in lens quality.
 
Looking at your previous thread, either a canon 7d or nikon d7000 will be within your new camera budget. A d700 would be a great buy if you were thinking second hand, it's something I've thought about as a way to try full frame.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/which-camera.519718/#post-5974712

As others have mentioned lenses are important too, they do make a difference to focus speed. I loved my nikon 70-300 vr lens (great buy for the money) but the difference between the focus speed compared to a nikon 300 f4 AF-S D was quite startling for me, saying that it is roughly 3-4 times the cost so would hope it was better. the 70-300 is a great lens and definitely shouldn't be overlooked.

If your budget is £700-800 then a d7000 and a nikon 70-300 vr would be a good setup for that budget. Of course canon also do an equivalent that will be equally as good. The most important thing is getting a camera that is nice to hold and that you feel comfortable using rather than worrying whether it's a canon, nikon, Sony, Pentax, Olympus etc. I went with nikon as 2 friends had nikon and the d7000 felt nice to hold, having friends with the same brand can help when you need to try your camera/lens on another camera/lens when you think there may be a fault. The is not really that much between nikon or canon, plenty of second hand lenses around.

I'm guessing this is just the start of a hobby rather than a start to pro sport photography so expensive fast lenses and top end bodies are not required.
 
Just had a look for some football images that I took 2 years ago with the d7000 and nikon 70-300vr and thought it may give you an idea of what a complete begineer was able to get. The images below are not brilliant by any way (composition is pretty awful to be honest) and looking back at these I hope I've improved in the last 2 years!! I would definitely push ISO more to get a faster shutter speed. I've only tried sports a couple of times and its something I'm hoping to start up again now I've finished playing.


Stewartby Village FC Wootton Away D7K_5629 by Rob - Nikon, on Flickr


Stewartby Village FC Wootton Away D7K_5610 by Rob - Nikon, on Flickr
 
Thanks Again for advice everyone.
One thing I did not mention was that I am not bothered about Video been on the camera, also main photos will be of dogs, and horses, hunting ect, so probably need a decent zoom lens.
 
ACW said:
Think how much beef you could fit in this bad boy. They also use the same colour off white, what a beauty. The model below isn't compatible with my 7D though.

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lmfao now that is funny :lol::'(:lol::'(:'(:lol::agree:
 
a sony or pentax system will likely be just fine too, you should try em in the shops
 
I've seen pro s with pentax at motorsport events...
and the last few reviews I've skimmed over have been positive for pentaxes, I got a sony myself so I don't have direct experience
 
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