Do Canon and Adobe have a hidden deal?

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Why do Canon and any other makers, which provide editing software with their cameras, not include some more editing facilities than just the basics. It surely can’t be that expensive to add extra features. I am thinking along the lines of nd grad filters, plug in facility etc. It leads me to think they maybe have an agreement with Adobe not to do so.
There just seems to be so many different editing packages out there, that all provide something, but all lacking in something else.
 
Because they are primarily camera and lens manufacturers, not software houses?
 
DemiLion said:
Because they are primarily camera and lens manufacturers, not software houses?
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exactly! theywould have to pay out alot of money (£60,000 per designer) just to give free software! It's just the same as saying why can't they give us adobe photoshop elements for free :lol:
 
Horses for courses, I guess. Canon make cameras (although Nikon devotees will speculate they would have been better sticking to photocopiers), and Adobe write industry leading editing software.
The bone of contention with me is the lack of backward compatibility between the latest RAW engine (to support your nice new body), and the version of Photoshop you bought a while ago. Designed, it appears, to force you into upgrading your copy of PS (sound of till ringing) - or use a DNG converter which is free.
 
zeugma said:
The bone of contention with me is the lack of backward compatibility between the latest RAW engine (to support your nice new body), and the version of Photoshop you bought a while ago. Designed, it appears, to force you into upgrading your copy of PS (sound of till ringing) - or use a DNG converter which is free.
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Yep that just another case of Adobes price rip off policy, and forcing you to upgrade.

Thing is there are plenty of other photo editing packages out there that for 99.99% of tog are just as good as anything Adobe has, it's just that the term photoshop has become ubiquitous just like Hover (it's a vacuum cleaner, Hover is a brand.) with magazine and on forums. How many time do we say "it's been photoshopped" when we really mean "it been edited".

Personally I VERY rarely use Adobe (I only have elements) and find I can do everything I need in Canon DPP and Apple Aperture. In fact if I'd got Aperture first I would not even have bought Elements.

Oh and some more Adobe price info from The Digital Picture website.

"Adobe announced the release of the Creative Suite 5.5 products on April, 11th. As a result of the new release, pricing for these products is increasing anywhere from 6% - 19%. Now is a great opportunity to take advantage of the current CS 5.0 pricing and receive a free upgrade* to CS5.5 once it starts shipping in early May. The last day to place a CS5.0 order is April 27th so don’t wait!"
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wegotitugetit said:
if they did the camera's would cost more and people wouldnt buy them , how ever if they did a deal with adobe to sell the adobe package and get a better deal than that might be a good idea for the people who do
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That's only true in Canon's case. Nikon solve the problem by charging for their more advanced software.
 
wegotitugetit said:
if they did the camera's would cost more and people wouldnt buy them , how ever if they did a deal with adobe to sell the adobe package and get a better deal than that might be a good idea for the people who do
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Similar for Leica who supply Adobe Lightroom with their cameras, not sure which models but I'd assume all of them would :)
 
Probably because what they do supply with cameras is enough to do a job (i.e. getting an image sharpened, tweaked and outputted). Why try to challenge a company like Adobe which has spent years (and millions) getting its core products to a level where they are arguably the best in the business for image editing?...
 
Musicman said:
You're not forced to upgrade. It's just more convenient if you do.
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If you had a Canon 50D and Adobe CS4, and you now get a Canon 60D you HAVE to upgrade to CS5 or use Adobe DNG, you can not open a raw file directly form a 60D to any version of photoshop below CS5.

Looking at the table below if you had CS3 (which was current up to Sep 2008) and you have a 1D Mk4, 5D Mk2 , 7D, 500D or 60D and I guess the new 600D then a photoshop upgrade is necessary to open canon raw files.

Now the thing is that for some reason you don't need the latests version of Elements to open any of the Canon Raw files.

For me if your going to convert to DNG you may as well use Canon/Nikon software convert to tiff and use which ever Photoshop you all ready have.

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Peter10d said:
...It surely can’t be that expensive to add extra features...
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You'd be surprised. Good software development can be seriously expensive. I've always been impressed with the quality of the Canon software including DPP and ZoomBrowser, it's one of the reasons I've stuck with Canon over the years. Which I guess is why they invest in the software.
 
SixToes said:
I've always been impressed with the quality of the Canon software including DPP and ZoomBrowser, it's one of the reasons I've stuck with Canon over the years. Which I guess is why they invest in the software.
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I too think Canon do a fairly good job with DPP, and over the years it has just got better and better with more functionality added bit by bit.
 
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