Drunken lock out?

ST4 said:
My experience with people from these countries is they drink a very small amount during the day and evening, and whilst their kids are introduced to it young, they never turn out to be the soaks ours do. Can you imagine that sort of culture over here, young children getting booze here, nightmare. I know many Greek people, they do not drink as much as us per week when added up, nor in heavy sittings.
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I'd really love it if you would stop making sweeping assumptions, with the bit in bold you are basically saying that my son is going to be a 'soak' (presumably a drunken yob too), I kind of take offence at you branding my son a future drunk/problem. You do not know me, my wife or my son so please refrain from making assumptions or at least word you points a lot better.
 
ST4 said:
My experience with people from these countries is they drink a very small amount during the day and evening, and whilst their kids are introduced to it young, they never turn out to be the soaks ours do.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". It really isn't.
 
PaulF said:
I'd really love it if you would stop making sweeping assumptions, with the bit in bold you are basically saying that my son is going to be a 'soak' (presumably a drunken yob too), I kind of take offence at you branding my son a future drunk/problem. You do not know me, my wife or my son so please refrain from making assumptions or at least word you points a lot better.
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It wasn't intended to cause offence, but you might wish to observe the behaviour of young people in offices, further education, the vast majority of them attach a great value in heavy drinking nights out. Indeed when I was a student I can think of only a few that didn't drink heavily and to excess as that was the culture. Being in an office the big social events all involve copious amounts of alcohol and the young ones tie one one.

I've never seen that level of interest in heavy drinking from people from places like France etc.
 
ST4 said:
It wasn't intended to cause offence, but you might wish to observe the behaviour of young people in offices, further education, the vast majority of them attach a great value in heavy drinking nights out. Indeed when I was a student I can think of only a few that didn't drink heavily and to excess as that was the culture. Being in an office the big social events all involve copious amounts of alcohol and the young ones tie one one.

I've never seen that level of interest in heavy drinking from people from places like France etc.
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Again with the massively sweeping generalisations backed by no evidence whatsoever.
 
ST4 said:
It's called life and personal experiences with a lot of people in a lot of organisations. I'm sorry those experiences don't tally with the "Ruth bubble".
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It's called fantasy.
 
ST4 said:
It wasn't intended to cause offence, but you might wish to observe the behaviour of young people in offices, further education, the vast majority of them attach a great value in heavy drinking nights out. Indeed when I was a student I can think of only a few that didn't drink heavily and to excess as that was the culture. Being in an office the big social events all involve copious amounts of alcohol and the young ones tie one one.

I've never seen that level of interest in heavy drinking from people from places like France etc.
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Where I work there are many offices, large and small (total of 1000's personnel), in my experience of going into most if not all of those offices, the 'young' make up a small percentage of the total - less than 10% in most and less than 20% in all. The values that the younger members of the company have are mostly related to sport for the men and what appear to be an obsession with cuddly toys for the girls. They do have nights out but they're not all drunken idiots by the end of them!

ST4 said:
It's called life and personal experiences with a lot of people in a lot of organisations. I'm sorry those experiences don't tally with the "Ruth bubble".
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And it follows that most other peoples experience does not have to tally to yours. Maybe it could be down to the employment sector you work in. (Not sure what your job is by the way just taking a guess that there maybe a high booze culture in it). The employment sector I work in there is not so again my experience will not tally with everyone's.
 
PaulF said:
Where I work there are many offices, large and small (total of 1000's personnel), in my experience of going into most if not all of those offices, the 'young' make up a small percentage of the total - less than 10% in most and less than 20% in all. The values that the younger members of the company have are mostly related to sport for the men and what appear to be an obsession with cuddly toys for the girls. They do have nights out but they're not all drunken idiots by the end of them!



And it follows that most other peoples experience does not have to tally to yours. Maybe it could be down to the employment sector you work in. (Not sure what your job is by the way just taking a guess that there maybe a high booze culture in it). The employment sector I work in there is not so again my experience will not tally with everyone's.
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Maybe, I've always worked in financial services, and there is quite a proportion of young people in our workforce (U35). They do seem to drink a hell of a lot. Not all have senior positions. The office christmas party is a disgrace, free booze for all and far too much free booze. I do not go as I do not like what I see what I last went. Yes our chaps play sports, but there's a lot of drinking goes on in nights out. Not ending in crime or law breaking, but a hell of a lot is consumed.

I'd also add I have friends who work in oil and gas, trades and they've commented all on the heavy drinking culture. Uni when I went was the worst, the amount of heavy drinking was absurd. I really hope your son manages not to soccumb to the things I have seen but rise above the heavy drink culture for what it is worth.
 
ST4 said:
Maybe, I've always worked in financial services, and there is quite a proportion of young people in our workforce (U35). They do seem to drink a hell of a lot. Not all have senior positions. The office christmas party is a disgrace, free booze for all and far too much free booze. I do not go as I do not like what I see what I last went. Yes our chaps play sports, but there's a lot of drinking goes on in nights out. Not ending in crime or law breaking, but a hell of a lot is consumed.

I'd also add I have friends who work in oil and gas, trades and they've commented all on the heavy drinking culture. Uni when I went was the worst, the amount of heavy drinking was absurd. I really hope your son manages not to soccumb to the things I have seen but rise above the heavy drink culture for what it is worth.
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Soul-taking but reasonably well paid job, dark long and cold evenings, and drinking heritage is the perfect recipe for boozing culture you describe. It is not just UK, but pretty much anywhere further up north. Change the job and move south if it is really unbearable.
 
Peter69 said:
Working with specialist doctors, I know that alcohol consumption in excess is as bad for you as smoking.
But I have a completely different out look. I believe in natural selection. Therefore alcohol shouldn't be rationed. We should let those that want to drink as much as they want. We shouldn't though offer NHS treatment for them be it that they are injured or addicted. If they die they die.
How can a species evolve to be a better species when the weak are supported and their gene pool maintained.

Lets remove the safety barriers and let nature take its course!
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You seem to have some confusion regarding natural selection. Its a complete random genetic event that happens purely by chance and is only maintained if it offers some adaptive advantage for the species. Therefore over-drinking, in fact any behaviour that is maladaptive has no place in natural selection.
 
ST4 said:
It's called life and personal experiences with a lot of people in a lot of organisations. I'm sorry those experiences don't tally with the "Ruth bubble".
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Classic. 'My evidence is taken from the internet and my mates down the pu... Temperance meetings. I don't need your stinking actual evidence backed up by official facts and figures. That's wrong'.
 
Yv said:
anyway, you lot are a right let down. Why has no one mentioned banning baked beans and brussel sprouts? I mean seriously, they create noxious gases in the digestive tract of every human that eats them, which in turn not only contributes to green house gases, but is very socially unacceptable in my opinion, surely none of us want to have to suffer being around people that have eaten these disgusting foods
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ban cows. all that methane is wrecking the environment....

:p
 
norters said:
Classic. 'My evidence is taken from the internet and my mates down the pu... Temperance meetings. I don't need your stinking actual evidence backed up by official facts and figures. That's wrong'.
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You don't need facts and figures to experience something and witness things.

A lot of government figures are massaged anyway. I prefer to open my eyes and see what I see. A do what I see isn't good.
 
ST4 said:
It's called life and personal experiences with a lot of people in a lot of organisations. I'm sorry those experiences don't tally with the "Ruth bubble".
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That type of evidence in not factual but relies on anecdotes and the problem with anecdotes is their anecdotal

adjective: anecdotal
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
 
jakeblu said:
You seem to have some confusion regarding natural selection. Its a complete random genetic event that happens purely by chance and is only maintained if it offers some adaptive advantage for the species. Therefore over-drinking, in fact any behaviour that is maladaptive has no place in natural selection.
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I think it is you that has a lack of understanding of natural selection.
 
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