DSLR's my head is spinng !

Here's another ISO800 image (again, 500D jpeg, uploaded from SD card to Flickr via my iPad with no PP involved).

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samems said:
Thats a nice shot too.
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Thanks.

I just walked around and snapped while I wait for the damned heating engineer to come back :thinking: who arrives at a job to fix a faulty unit with NO spare parts :bonk:

But that's another story.....
 
samems said:
Got British Gas calling tomorrow for our boiler!
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Good luck, they've been twice today. First one declared himself unable to work on the electrical part of the boiler :cuckoo:, so why send him when they've been told it is an electrical fault?

Second arrives 2 hours later and goes "oh yes, it is the solenoid something or other, just like the first guy said, but I haven't any spare on the van, I'll be back later"

Aaargh :bang:, useless bunch with no communication skills. My luck, it will be 4pm before I see him again, I thought I was going to be lucky enough to get away with only missing a half day.
 
Great shots Dave1 :)

Seems no one has the 600D in stock, or if they do they are full of extras that I don't really need and puts the price in the £700 bracket. Another had the 600D in stock but said its a "Rebel T3i" but its same camera ( around £180 cheaper then anywhere else), I asked about the warranty he said erm return it to us and we will repair it as its not a canon warranty that comes with the camera.
Looks like it will be comet as they have that in stock for £555 but have to travel to the one that is 30 mile away.

Good look with the boiler repairs, we had ours done last month and more or less the same story apart from we broke the switch and they could not find a replacement...out with the superglue :lol:
 
Dave1 said:
No it isn't "personal preference", I am beginning to suspect you are just trying to be obtuse and argumentative.

I specifically said

I already said similar in an earlier post when your "proof" to verify claims of poor iso performance were all based on your own "testing".

I would actually go as far as to say I doubt that there is a current DSLR from any manufacturer that won't produce a usable print at iso 800.
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You could not be further from the truth. I miss read his comment and thought he said that a higher iso had better image quality than lower iso. We all know that this is not the case. If you look a bit closer you would see that I corrected that statement.

Furthermore I did not respond to the reviews for fear of sounding argumentative. Sense you have already made an opinion about my demeanor I will point this out. The reviews say that the dslr will go up to those iso's, it does not talk about image quality at high iso. (Sales tactic imho). Kinda like mega pixels on cell phone cameras perhaps.

As far as "my testing" goes. Really?? You are questioning whether or not I am competent enough to set my camera on a tripod point it at a target and shoot at different iso's for comparison. Really sir..
 
shaylou said:
but I stay around 100-200 for almost everything or look for more light. To each is own....
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which isnt practical when shooting a wedding ceremony in low light, from a fixed position without the fredom to move arround, and with no flash allowed - then pretty much your only option is to crank up the iso enough to get sharp shots and either live with the noise or deal with it in PP

The other thing for the OP to bear in mind is that its only photographers who get excised about noise in a minutely examined 400% crop - all your freind cares about is do the pics look good in an album, on the wall, and on facebook etc

Incidentally regarding buying second hand for nikon or canon i highly recomend mpb photographic
 
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Orange_crunch said:
And I just love to open new things ( anyone else love that ?)
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Thats my weakness.... I've bought one lens 2nd hand which was only a couple of months old, boxed and as new (you couldn't have asked for it to be in better condition if it came from a shop)... even though there was no real difference, it's still not the same as buying brand new.
 
I'd get a canon 40d and a 50mm 1.8. Fantastic camera and lens and you will learn a lot from it.
 
mart77 said:
I'd get a canon 40d and a 50mm 1.8. Fantastic camera and lens and you will learn a lot from it.
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He might find it pretty difficult shooting a wedding with just a 50mm on a crop body.


big soft moose said:
Incidentally regarding buying second hand for nikon or canon i highly recomend mpb photographic
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I think I need to RTM your post you self promoting seller :D

Everyone knows MPB stands for Moose's Photographic Business :razz:
 
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Dave1 said:
Everyone knows MPB stands for Moose's Photographic Business :razz:
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Lol thats been suggested before, i'm quite suprised it hasnt become a forum title :suspect

But its completely untrue and without foundation



it stands for moose's personal benefit
 
big soft moose said:
Lol thats been suggested before, i'm quite suprised it hasnt become a forum title :suspect

it stands for moose's personal benefit
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Hmmm, you can protest all you want ;)

Now, where is an admin when we need someones forum title edited? :D
 
Dave1 said:
He might find it pretty difficult shooting a wedding with just a 50mm on a crop body.

I think I need to RTM your post you self promoting seller :D

Everyone knows MPB stands for Moose's Photographic Business :razz:
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What lenses are most wildly use for wedding? Just curious not at all interested in shooting them, but I never say never. Lol.
 
I'd generally use a 17-55 f2.8 (on a crop - if I've hired a full frame i'd use a 24-70 f2.8 instead) and a 70-200 f2.8

But theres a big variation - the 85mm f1.8 is quite widely used as well.

The 50mm f1.8 is a good lens for low light situations and i sometimes use it inside a church - but the point dave is making above is that on a crop it has a FoV equivalent to an 85mm on full frame - and if that were the OPs only lens it would be pretty difficult to get all the required group shots.

assuming hes going to be at the front he could use a 50 f1.8 inside the church and a kit lens for groups outside - but if it rains he will struggle to get suifficient light inside - I would suggest at least hiring a 17-55 and probably a 70-200 as well (and a flash gun is a must)

(of course whether someone with no experience should really be shooting a wedding at all is a different question - but not one its fruitful to go into here)
 
shaylou said:
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As far as "my testing" goes. Really?? You are questioning whether or not I am competent enough to set my camera on a tripod point it at a target and shoot at different iso's for comparison. Really sir..
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Not wishing to sound dismissive, but you do realise why higher ISOs are noisier?

Have you ever printed a 1600 ISO shot from a modern DSLR at 20x16?

Have you ever shot 400 print film and printed an 8x10?

when you've only shot modern DSLRs at high ISOs you can just about be forgiven for thinking that comparing it with the same cameras output at low ISOs. However out in the real world we're trying to shoot pictures we can be proud of. And if the choice is between shooting at 3200 ISO or not shooting, then we're not scared of a little noise.

No customer ever said to me 'wow that'd be an awesome image if it wasn't for the increased chroma noise in the red channel', they're too busy blubbing at the memory of their first dance and how I managed to capture it.
 
OP have you considered hiring a camera and lenses for the day instead of buying? Incidentally I have a 600d and have taken some nice wedding pictures with it as a guest (I used a 50mm prime)
 
goldeneye243 said:
OP have you considered hiring a camera and lenses for the day instead of buying? Incidentally I have a 600d and have taken some nice wedding pictures with it as a guest (I used a 50mm prime)
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How did you find taking group shots on the 50mm?

Way back when I did photograph weddings, 85mm on a film 35mm meant you would be standing so far away the groups would have struggled to hear your instructions.
 
Dave1 said:
How did you find taking group shots on the 50mm?

Way back when I did photograph weddings, 85mm on a film 35mm meant you would be standing so far away the groups would have struggled to hear your instructions.
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I didn't really do any group shots - I was just wandering around taking candid shots - nothing too formal (should have said that in my post :) )

I guess it depends what the happy couple want from the photographs of the day - There are always lots of people with cameras at a wedding and amongst all of the pictures there ought to be some good ones!
 
goldeneye243 said:
I didn't really do any group shots - I was just wandering around taking candid shots - nothing too formal (should have said that in my post :) )
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That makes sense, the 50 for walkabout reportage style pics is pretty good.
 
hope after all the replies you have it should be as clear as mud what you want !!!!!!!!
 
big soft moose said:
I'd generally use a 17-55 f2.8 (on a crop - if I've hired a full frame i'd use a 24-70 f2.8 instead) and a 70-200 f2.8

But theres a big variation - the 85mm f1.8 is quite widely used as well.

The 50mm f1.8 is a good lens for low light situations and i sometimes use it inside a church - but the point dave is making above is that on a crop it has a FoV equivalent to an 85mm on full frame - and if that were the OPs only lens it would be pretty difficult to get all the required group shots.

assuming hes going to be at the front he could use a 50 f1.8 inside the church and a kit lens for groups outside - but if it rains he will struggle to get suifficient light inside - I would suggest at least hiring a 17-55 and probably a 70-200 as well (and a flash gun is a must)

(of course whether someone with no experience should really be shooting a wedding at all is a different question - but not one its fruitful to go into here)
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Thanks for the info. Like I said I'm not planning on shooting any weddings but was just curious. Actually I have a 17-55 2.8 and a 70-200 2.8mrk2. I'm wonder what you think about the 17-55 vs 24-70? When I do decide to go full frame I would have to replace my 17-55 (hate it) but It's a must. I guess what i'm most worried about is changing of the focal length. Do you find the image quality equal or does the 24-70 sharper?
 
Phil V said:
Not wishing to sound dismissive, but you do realise why higher ISOs are noisier?

Have you ever printed a 1600 ISO shot from a modern DSLR at 20x16?

Have you ever shot 400 print film and printed an 8x10?

when you've only shot modern DSLRs at high ISOs you can just about be forgiven for thinking that comparing it with the same cameras output at low ISOs. However out in the real world we're trying to shoot pictures we can be proud of. And if the choice is between shooting at 3200 ISO or not shooting, then we're not scared of a little noise.

No customer ever said to me 'wow that's be an awesome image if it wasn't for the increased chroma noise in the red channel', they're too busy blubbing at the memory of their first dance and how I managed to capture it.
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Yes I understand it and I'm shooting for myself with no worries about customers.
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The only reason I did a comparison of the iso's was to see what I felt like (for my personal preference) was an acceptable noise level. That is why I said it was a subject that was based on opinion. That last part was taken and turned around into a personal attack of sorts. (not by you Phil). I guess the OP was trying to defend the 600d and did not realize I have the 600d and like it a lot. Who knows, better yet who cares... lol
 
shaylou said:
Yes I understand it and I'm shooting for myself with no worries about customers.
;)

The only reason I did a comparison of the iso's was to see what I felt like (for my personal preference) was an acceptable noise level. That is why I said it was a subject that was based on opinion. That last part was taken and turned around into a personal attack of sorts. (not by you Phil). I guess the OP was trying to defend the 600d and did not realize I have the 600d and like it a lot. Who knows, better yet who cares... lol
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No malice or offence intended :) I respect everyone's opinions and views and everyone has been very helpful.
I have been a keen Amateur photographer for many years and just want to take the next step up and get a decent camera that is going to give me quite a few years pleasure.
It gets very confusing....
Some say get a older model others say new is best...
Some say no difference in the quality of the photos from the £300 models to the £600 models...
Some say don't shoot above 800 iso other say 1600+ is still great...
List goes on and on....

As a new buyer so many decisions to be made, buy a cheaper camera and spend the rest of the budget on another lens ? Older camera with a few more lenses ? Or new more expensive camera but is it going to be any better then the cheaper or older models ? and when you finally decide :) :) your car decides to breakdown and have to spend some of the camera budget to fix it :'(

Cheapest 600D ( with lens) I have seen is at comets for £555 if anyone is looking :)
 
dave there is no import duty on cameras imported from Hong Kong to the UK there are shipping and handling charges
and there is a vat liability which the importer is liable to pay and should declare
The importer being the uk purchaser
Digital Rev and panamoz offer to refund the vat if their customer is charged, which appears to be a rare occurrence
 
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You can get an import 600d body on ebay for under £400 delivered in a couple of days. I bought one and had issues with it and returned it with no problems at all and all sorted in under a week. I would rather wait two days than pay over £100 more for the same thing tbh.
 
Rebel t3i said:
dave there is no import duty on cameras imported from Hong Kong to the UK there are shipping and handling charges
and there is a vat liability which the importer is liable to pay and should declare
The importer being the uk purchaser
Digital Rev and panamoz offer to refund the vat if their customer is charged, which appears to be a rare occurrence
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I know, I normally write tax/duty to cover both where applicable but got lazy this time ;).
 
I just think it's wrong that these hong kong based companies state that import duty is prepaid when there isn't any
Technically we are breaking the law if we do not declare the vat to HM customs when we order one
It's of no benefit to us not to declare it to HM customs as certain Hong Kong seller states they will refund the vat if we are charged
 
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