dust on sensor?

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my first dslr...
and recently started using f22 on some landscapes
i see dots in the sky and assume its dust somewhere...
mirror or sensor?

my camera ...olympus e-420...has dust cleaning on it which operates every time one switches on
it seemed to occur on only one day..
but i want to know if it is relatively easy to get it off the sensor
the mirror i have done on my film slrs

cheers
geof
 
i see dots in the sky and assume its dust somewhere...
mirror or sensor?

Sensor probably

but i want to know if it is relatively easy to get it off the sensor
the mirror i have done on my film slrs

It's fairly easy to control using a rocket blower. In extremis I use Pek Pads and Eclipse fluid but I appreciate that many people wouldn't want to go down the wet route.
 
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If you can see the dust on your pictures, then it is probably on your sensor as the mirror has moved out of the way before the picture is taken.

If you can see it through the eyepiece then it is not on the sensor. It is most likely on the focus screen or possibly the mirror.

Personally I wouldn't recommend a blower as this simply moves the dust from somewhere to somewhere else.
 
Or a lenspen sensorklear.

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Three steps for shifting dust on my sensor. Shoot a test frame after each one to check if you've sorted the problem.

1. Blower (manual bulb or co2, nothing with propellant)
2. Dry clean (Arctic Butterfly works well)
3. Wet clean (sensor cleaning pads - check out the 'how to' videos from leading suppliers)

Wet clean sounds scary, but okay if you follow the instructions...

Hope this helps
 
Can you use arctic butterfly on the mirror of a 5d MK II. I have dust on sensor and mirror.
 
1. Blower (manual bulb,

URM I use manual sensor clean,in your settings, thats the recommend route, it turns the power off whilst your cleaning, forget the blower it can leave carbon deposits on the sensor (making things worse and just blows the dust about), I use an Arctic Butterfly on my cameras :thumbs:
 
Can I just say no dust on your MIRROR will show up on your images so don't worry about it. Now your sensor is what matters I got my camera new and done a test shot it showed up with dust you can try a blower me personally wouldnt bother with the artic butterfly jared polin used 1 and caused bad smudging the best way eclipse fl
 
Can I just say no dust on your MIRROR will show up on your images so don't worry about it. Now your sensor is what matters I got my camera new and done a test shot it showed up with dust you can try a blower me personally wouldn't bother with the artic butterfly jared polin used 1 and caused bad smudging the best way eclipse fluid and sensor swabs.
 
I had dust on my sensor last week. Just showed up one day.

I looked in the tutorial section and there was a post by RobertP on how to wet clean your sensor. I got the glue spatulas and eclipse fluid and gave it a go........... Nightmare. Dust spots 10X worse. Started getting worried, but gave it a couple more goes. After about half an hour sensor was spotless and i'd saved a chunk of money.
 
Arctic Butterfly works well.

Definately, but only on dry dust. If you have any grease the Butterfly will simply smear it.

I don't grease my sensors so the Butterfly works a treat for me. ;)
 
loads of help here...i think i will try a little toe in the water with the arctic butterfly
and my camera does have a cleaning mode...which i thought cleaned it...but only puts all the gubbins out of the way...and warns make sure the battery is charged
thanks all
cheers
geof
look forward to shots without those out of focus birds flying all over the sky
:D
 
Personally I wouldn't recommend a blower as this simply moves the dust from somewhere to somewhere else.

I would ;) recommend the Rocket Air Blower as it worked for me for 3-4 years. :) This was before I got a camera which shook the camera sensor, which has reduced how often I need to clean the sensor dramatically.

The Rocket Air Blower may move the dust about (if you're lucky ;)), but more often than not it moves the dust out of the camera if the opening to the sensor is pointing downwards. :) It is also quite cheap compared to most other methods. ;)

The time I had to go beyond the Rocket Air was when there were dried spots of liquid on my sensor (which looked like doughnuts rather than spots), and no amount of blowing could get rid of dried liquid. :(
 
I have to ask - how did you get liquid on your sensor? :eek:

I stand by my comment - a blower will tend to move dust from the sensor to for example the focus screen.
 
I have to ask - how did you get liquid on your sensor? :eek:

I stand by my comment - a blower will tend to move dust from the sensor to for example the focus screen.

It was quite soon after I had got the new camera, so I think the liquid was possibly from a bit of excess lubrication on the shutter mechanism.

A Rocket Air Blower, or something similar, is about £10, worth a go before spending a bit more imho.

You can blow any dust that may have got on the focus screen too, regardless of how it got there. ;)

Whatever works for you though, I'm just passing on my experiences. :)
 
Oggy said:
Definately, but only on dry dust. If you have any grease the Butterfly will simply smear it.

I don't grease my sensors so the Butterfly works a treat for me. ;)

Why would you grease your sensor lol grease comes from the internal components and can get onto your sensor
 
It was quite soon after I had got the new camera, so I think the liquid was possibly from a bit of excess lubrication on the shutter mechanism.

A Rocket Air Blower, or something similar, is about £10, worth a go before spending a bit more imho.

You can blow any dust that may have got on the focus screen too, regardless of how it got there. ;)

Whatever works for you though, I'm just passing on my experiences. :)

The problem with blowers is that the dust has considerably higher mass than the air around it and when the air is forced to change direction the dust tries to carry on in the same direction.

If you are right and I am wrong I beseach you to keep quiet about it. The direct consequences would be that Dyson type vacuum cleaners and mass spectrometers would stop working. More fundamentally you will have disproved Newton's second law. That would be bad. Very bad. ;)

Blowers are great in an open space e.g. a lens, but not in confined spaces.
 
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I have to ask - how did you get liquid on your sensor? :eek:
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well andy rouse has an anecdote about some prat who managed to get marmalade on the sensor of a 10D so anythings possible

(In short the donk concerned was cleaning his sensor, but hadnt noticed the large blob of marmalade on his jumper (like you do - i prefer to eat breakfast rather than fight with it) and it apparently then just went plop straight into the camera - and his efforts to get it out again with a sensor swab just made it worse :cuckoo:)
 
If you are right and I am wrong I beseach you to keep quiet about it. The direct consequences would be that Dyson type vacuum cleaners and mass spectrometers would stop working. More fundamentally you will have disproved Newton's second law. That would be bad. Very bad. ;)

Blowers are great in an open space e.g. a lens, but not in confined spaces.

I don't respond to beseeching. ;) :lol:

I know nothing of Newton's Second Law, or how Mass Spectrometers work off the top of my head, but I thought Dyson vacuum cleaners worked by sucking the air and dirt into the machine (simplistic I know ;)), but when the power stops, gravity makes the dirt fall down. Just like the blower moves the dirt around, (hopefully) but what hasn't been already been blown out, will hopefully drop out when the blower stops. :shrug:

Like I said, I'm just passing on my experience. If my working Blower goes against any of Newton's Laws, then long may it continue. ;) :lol:
 
I don't respond to beseeching. ;) :lol:

I know nothing of Newton's Second Law, or how Mass Spectrometers work off the top of my head, but I thought Dyson vacuum cleaners worked by sucking the air and dirt into the machine (simplistic I know ;)), but when the power stops, gravity makes the dirt fall down. Just like the blower moves the dirt around, (hopefully) but what hasn't been already been blown out, will hopefully drop out when the blower stops. :shrug:

Like I said, I'm just passing on my experience. If my working Blower goes against any of Newton's Laws, then long may it continue. ;) :lol:

you are half right - "when the blower stops , and gravity overcomes the force exerted on the dust by the blower , gravity will make it fall down - however in the period in which gravity does not overcome the force exerted it will keep moving in the same direction as the air

think of throwing a tennis ball up into the air - if oggy (and newton) were wrong it should fall down as soon as it leaves your hand.

more prosaicly you are also mostly right that rocket blowers are useful bits of kit - but there are occasions when they make the situation worse by blowing dust that wasnt on the sensor on to it.
 
A decent camera shop will do a sensor clean for about £30-£50. Some do same day (expect to pay more). That way, they take all the risks, so worth it as a once-a-year-or-so cost when weighed against the cost of a new sensor.

Anyway, unless things are really mucky, I'd just use the clone stamp to get rid of marks.

And take steps to prevent dirt getting in in the first place! One of the main causes is changing lenses without turning the camera off. The sensor carries an electrostatic charge that acts, quite literally, as a dust magnet.

Changing lenses in a wind, when it's raining, on a beach, at a concert where they use a smoke machine (the smoke is oil based) are all really good ways to make your camera work worse:shrug:
 
A decent camera shop will do a sensor clean for about £30-£50. Some do same day (expect to pay more). That way, they take all the risks, so worth it as a once-a-year-or-so cost when weighed against the cost of a new sensor.

Anyway, unless things are really mucky, I'd just use the clone stamp to get rid of marks.

And take steps to prevent dirt getting in in the first place! One of the main causes is changing lenses without turning the camera off. The sensor carries an electrostatic charge that acts, quite literally, as a dust magnet.

Changing lenses in a wind, when it's raining, on a beach, at a concert where they use a smoke machine (the smoke is oil based) are all really good ways to make your camera work worse:shrug:

Good advice about when best to change lenses Jon, especially about the smoke. :thumbs:

While getting someone else to wet clean the sensor may be a good idea, it is also very expensive. For the same amount of money you could buy the gear for 12+ cleans done by yourself.

It looks scary, though it is reasonably easy. When I had to do it in the past, the mistake I made was to drag the sensor swab against the edge of the sensor box which made it a hundred times worse, as the lint free material suddenly shed loads of material. Two or three more attempts and the sensor was perfect. :) You only make that mistake one. ;) :lol:

There are many videos on the the net to show you how to do it, should anyone want to do it for themselves. ;) :)

you are half right - "when the blower stops , and gravity overcomes the force exerted on the dust by the blower , gravity will make it fall down - however in the period in which gravity does not overcome the force exerted it will keep moving in the same direction as the air

think of throwing a tennis ball up into the air - if oggy (and newton) were wrong it should fall down as soon as it leaves your hand.

more prosaicly you are also mostly right that rocket blowers are useful bits of kit - but there are occasions when they make the situation worse by blowing dust that wasnt on the sensor on to it.

Not to labour the point too much, ;) but even though the air may initially be travelling in one direction, the air is entering the dead end (so to speak) of the sensor 'box' which I would imagine causes all kinds of vortices as the air entering and that being reflected out interact.

As a test, take a tiny bit of paper from the corner of a sheet, and put it in your cupped hands, and then blow. More often then not the paper 'jumps' out of your hands. And this is a large object, compared to dust, and the force of air is less than can be produced by the blower.

With my current camera the sensor shake is working extremely well, (shaking it at start up, and shut down) and I haven't needed to use the blower in the year I have had this camera, or indeed used the sensor swabs which I have bought 'just in case'. It's only a matter of time though. :( :lol:
 
you are half right - "when the blower stops , and gravity overcomes the force exerted on the dust by the blower , gravity will make it fall down - however in the period in which gravity does not overcome the force exerted it will keep moving in the same direction as the air

think of throwing a tennis ball up into the air - if oggy (and newton) were wrong it should fall down as soon as it leaves your hand.

more prosaicly you are also mostly right that rocket blowers are useful bits of kit - but there are occasions when they make the situation worse by blowing dust that wasnt on the sensor on to it.

as you release the ball it is charged with kinetic energy and accellerates upwards with the force of gravity slowing it down
so as you release it tends to drop and this is manifest in a change in velocity
decelleration
so it truly remains in the same vector its energy is being lost and velocity drops...
in the case of the dust...the trajectory depends on the initial vector of the item since gravity acts downwards and in slowing the dust particle down it will describe a parabola if not travelling exactly against the force of gravity
eventually the parabola's x axis is vertical, right angles to the earths surface, at the end of the trajectory or other if the trajectory is muted..ie crash
where the residual launch energy is still in kinetic form...ie acting against gravity..there after the energy is potential when at rest...its still trying to move downwards against the surface it rests on

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