email back about a event photographer

Thats what stewards are for.. and like i say. pocket cameras ok But why pay to do an event to sell pictures then let everyone take there own ?
 
KIPAX said:
Thats what stewards are for.. and like i say. pocket cameras ok But why pay to do an event to sell pictures then let everyone take there own ?
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Well that's the chance you take, bit like taxi drivers complaining about people driving their own cars. You say "pocket cameras", but these days a lot of people have DSLRs to take their personal shots.
 
Taxi drivers dont work in a controlled enviroment where the rules can state no other drivers and there are people there to enforce that rule...So i would say nothing like it at all :)
 
Kipax, Taking this to a different area of photography, does this mean that if you were a wedding photographer, you would not allow anyone else to take pictures at the wedding? I have never been at a wedding where this has happened. As hacker said surely you let your photographs do the talking.
 
No.. you dont pay to do a wedding.. silly comparison surely ? You did read the bit where we are talking about paying to do an event yes ?
 
KIPAX said:
Taxi drivers dont work in a controlled enviroment where the rules can state no other drivers and there are people there to enforce that rule...So i would say nothing like it at all :)
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But the point here is that the photographer shouldn't be allowed to dictate that no other cameras are allowed. If the event organisers put a "No Camera" clause in their entry Ts & Cs then that is a different matter. If that clause isn't put in then the taxi driver analogy is valid.

Davec223 said:
Kipax, Taking this to a different area of photography, does this mean that if you were a wedding photographer, you would not allow anyone else to take pictures at the wedding? I have never been at a wedding where this has happened. As hacker said surely you let your photographs do the talking.
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In this instance the photographer isn't paying a fee and will receive one for his/her day's work, although it could well affect further print sales but you try telling the clients that their guest will not be allowed to bring their cameras to the wedding.
 
The key is to make your photos better and from areas the public can't get to...
I know thats not the only way...

I've been employed as an event photographer for various small events, and the organisers did find someone selling picture cds from the public areas and clamped down on it.
 
fabs said:
In this instance the photographer isn't paying a fee and will receive one for his/her day's work, although it could well affect further print sales but you try telling the clients that their guest will not be allowed to bring their cameras to the wedding.
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why are we talking about weddings all of a sudden? is it really that hard to follow

you PAY an organisor to photograph an event.. how do you make money? by selling photographs yes? what will stop you making money? some bloke/person doing the same thing as you and either giving the pics away or selling them... thus its no other photographers allowed

why are people comparing taxi drivers and really really really.. why are people comparing weddings? you get paid to do a wedding.. its not you paying the bride and groom is it :)
 
Looks like its me and yee KIPAX.

The point being as KIPAX has said, As a wedding photographer you have been paid not you paying to be be there. I also agree you couldnt go to a parent and ask to stop, I wouldnt. But as said it will be shown in the fee I was being asked to pay to do it. If they cant steward that and allow all to snap away what am I paying for?

I certanly wouldnt hire a studio, Have a kids portrait session and allow the parents to snap away with me, Would you?
 
KIPAX said:
No.. you dont pay to do a wedding.. silly comparison surely ? You did read the bit where we are talking about paying to do an event yes ?
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No I do not feel that it is a silly comparison. Yes I did read the part about paying to cover the event. A wedding photographer does get a fee for shooting granted but he may well not get as many sales afterwards from people due to other people taking pictures aswell. I am afraid that I feel it is the nature of the beast, if you are not happy with terms and conditions of a contract you do not have to enter into it. You also have to consider that people have paid to enter a competition so they feel that they have the right to take pictures. Again if one of the rules for entering a competition is that only the offical photographer can take pictures then it is up to the compeditors if they want to enter that event, although I would think they would lose far more revenue through people not entering than the fee the photographer pays.
 
All events will work differently.. Some events they charge the photographers to photograph.. Thats no my idea/rule :) But if you do pay to do an event you must protect your investment.. When you pay to do an event you are way past hobby photographing. Its the opposite of being paid.. If I am paid to do an event I dont care if every man and his dog is clicking away. hence why weddings is a silly comparison :)
 
KIPAX said:
why are we talking about weddings all of a sudden? is it really that hard to follow
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The talk about wedding photography was in direct answer to Davec223's post.

KIPAX said:
you PAY an organisor to photograph an event.. how do you make money? by selling photographs yes? what will stop you making money? some bloke/person doing the same thing as you and either giving the pics away or selling them... thus its no other photographers allowed
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The point was about people taking photos for their own purposes, NOT selling them or giving them away. As I said, it is down to the organisers whether a camera ban is in place, not the photographer. Going back to the equine event (as in the OP), the organisers would not put this in place as it would drastically reduce the attendances. As far as I'm concerned, if you want to do event photography you have to accept that there will be people at these events who will want to take their own photos. It is up to the photographer to sell their own product.
 
Davec223 said:
Kipax, Taking this to a different area of photography, does this mean that if you were a wedding photographer, you would not allow anyone else to take pictures at the wedding? I have never been at a wedding where this has happened.
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I have to say this happened at my cousins Wedding - the guy was utterly dire, didn't know his arse from his elbow and I'd arranged the group shot I wanted and he literally barged me out of the way and gave the evil eye and declared that he was the photographer..could of fooled me. . . .! anyhow I digress...
 
I really dont know why we are talking about weddings I really dont :(

I was talking about when the photographer pays to cover an event.. I cant follow why weddings come anywhere near the subject to be honest... sorry but its lost me :)
 
KIPAX said:
I really dont know why we are talking about weddings I really dont :(

I was talking about when the photographer pays to cover an event.. I cant follow why weddings come anywhere near the subject to be honest... sorry but its lost me :)
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Quite simply really you are saying that you want to sell your photos, would you not think that is what a wedding photographer wants to do as well? Anyway it looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this. And is taking this way off the op's original question.
 
Davec223 said:
Quite simply really you are saying that you want to sell your photos, would you not think that is what a wedding photographer wants to do as well? Anyway it looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this. And is taking this way off the op's original question.
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A wedding photographer gets paid a lump sum + sales

An event photographer pays a lump sum and has to recoup through sales

A wedding photographer cannot end up out of pocket if Uncle Bob takes a few snaps.

An event photographer can end up out of pocket if Uncle Bob takes a few snaps of his daughter AND goes on to snap a load of other people's children and passes them on, or if everyone's Uncle Bob takes photos there's no-one left for the event photographer to recoup from

apples and oranges
 
the email i sent was

Hi, I was just wondering if your needing any photographers for any of yourshows, as i'm wanting to become a event photographer but would loveexperience, and i love ingliston. I've done a course on photography and i've took photos at Ingliston beforeof my friends during the summer and also last week at your Junior show! Thanks, Francesca


i said i want to be doesnt mean i am, and it clearly shows i aint got experienced as i said i need experience?
 
Hi frankee
Lot of talk here.

I've shot at this arena as non-pro. Was asked by official why i was shooting - said personal use and there was no prob.

This place often has a pro tog who works with his wife (she prints shots & frames them for on-site sale) and seems to do a fair/good trade.

As far as I'm aware all events at the moment are indoors, so you'll need a fast lens.
I was using 70-200 (2.8) and had to crank up the ISO to freeze action. A 1 gig card seems insane to me, as said, get some serious memory.

Think you've had all the pros /cons / ins/outs of copyright issues.
I'd give it a go and let them have the pix if all you're after is experience and, who knows, maybe they'll offer you some deal for future.
 
I do a fair bit of event work, I pay a fee which is normally a percentage of sales. In exchange I get the best access, publicity, links to the gallery for sales, etc.

I don't make any effort to stop people taking photos and never had a situation where someone else was trying to sell photos they'd taken.

But sales have declined as more friends and family take their own shots so I've adapted my business model. This weekend's race I'm getting paid a flat fee to be there and every runner gets a free photo printed on the day (the cost was actually included in the entry fee). On top of that I also sell the normal race shots online and a percentage from that goes to the event - if sales are poor I still make a few quid, if sales are good I get paid well and the club gets some too, everyone wins ;)
 
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