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Hi.

Has anyone ever been asked to submit work to the above website?

They have asked to use one of my images but at the end of their email the dreaded..... " We aren't able to pay for the image" :razz::nono:

Do you think Jessops wouldn't mind if I went in there and said i wanted a camera but I can't afford to pay for it?
 
I do understand that argument Kevin but i have been semi pro for some time now and i have spent thousands of £'s on equipment and get up at stupid oclock/get home at stupid oclock and drive hundreds of miles to get these images and now someone is asking for something for nothing. This annoys me a little. It's not the first time and i'm sure it won't be the last.

I do give permission for some of my images to be used for free but only for charity. EnjoyEngland.com is not a charity. Surely they have a budget?
 
If it is to be used on their website, then how about a direct link back to yours, at least then it might have some value. You can bet that those advertising accomodation on the site pay them for the privilege, so they should have some cash.
 
I hadn't heard of them or clicked (hey, it's a photography forum!) as to who they are but I have to say that if the Google search I did is correct (and I suspect it is), I'd be charging the buggers! :D
 
I always say "If the image is good, then it's worth paying for" get them to give you something in return otherwise it may just be their trying their luck on someone to see if it works. They are technically using it for advertising thus making money from it and so making enough to pay for the image. They are able to pay for the image it's just that they WON'T pay for the image, big difference.
 
They probably get their budget from a lottery grant, it sounds the sort of thing set up to recieve such sums, i bet they can afford to pay for ALL images because at the end of the day all they can do it promote through media such as in print.
 
So they asked if they could use a photo. If you don't want to give it to them, decline.

The self-righteous indignation sometimes on here at someone having the temerity to ask nicely for something is ridiculous.
 
mid_gen said:
So they asked if they could use a photo. If you don't want to give it to them, decline.

The self-righteous indignation sometimes on here at someone having the temerity to ask nicely for something is ridiculous.
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Exactly. They asked, and you have the right to say no. The CEO's salary is irrelevant.
 
MartynK said:
Exactly. They asked, and you have the right to say no. The CEO's salary is irrelevant.
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What a load of 'Tosh'

If they have identified your image as worthy of usage in their website, then it is worth some payment for the said usage.

There is likely to be funding available for image purchase but in the present financial climate, it must be in the brief from the boss that savings must be made in all areas. Therefore the plee of 'Won't Pay' is understandable but IMHO, not justified.

Get payment and a link back to your site.
 
Tugster said:
What a load of 'Tosh'

If they have identified your image as worthy of usage in their website, then it is worth some payment for the said usage.
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To you, yes, but not necessarily to them. There's nothing unethical about this. They want to use the image without payment, asked for permission, and you can agree or decline. Entirely up to you. The OP has responded with his own proposal and they can accept it or not, which is exactly the same thing.

There is likely to be funding available for image purchase but in the present financial climate, it must be in the brief from the boss that savings must be made in all areas. Therefore the plee of 'Won't Pay' is understandable but IMHO, not justified.
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They don't have to justify their position and, with respect, it doesn't matter whether you think it's justified or not.
 
Any semi-pro landscape photographer approached by EnjoyEngland (or an TIC type body) would be foolish to outright reject the opportunity without thinking about it (not referring to the OP, but the attitude of some of the respondents). Careful wording is required for licensing, but this is an opportunity to get one of your images in front of a worldwide (predominantly WEIRD) audience.

If you could get assurance that your name would always be credited, and that the image wasn't going to just disapear into an EE image library, then the value of it's credited use by EE has to be considered. Is it a local landmark where you live? always worth a try in the local rag for a "local 'tog has image selected for national tourism website" piece on a slow news day. Local or not, once it's featured by EE how much more likely is it that you can license hotels, b&b's, etc to use small versions of it in their own brochures? (on the basis you're more likely to squeeze £20 out of twenty people than £250 out of one) How much could you squeeze out of this as a marketing opportunity for this and other images of the same area? How much is thisimage currently earning for you towards the expenses you've mentioned? or is it dead stock?

Requests for free usage might at first glance seem a lemon, but it's always worth a look to see if there's the opportunity of making lemonade. How much exposure is this image currently getting? How much is it likely to get in the future with your current level of marketing?
 
I'm surprised that Enjoy England haven't got a budget for this sort of thing - they're the main tourist board for the country. All of the images they have on their website look very professionally shot, so I would be surprised if they've obtained everything for free.

I also note that they maintain a large archive of images, which they re-sell commercially.

As has been said, they've asked and it's up to you - but I would want to be very clear about where & how it's going to be used.
 
Alastair said:
Any semi-pro landscape photographer approached by EnjoyEngland (or an TIC type body) would be foolish to outright reject the opportunity without thinking about it (not referring to the OP, but the attitude of some of the respondents). Careful wording is required for licensing, but this is an opportunity to get one of your images in front of a worldwide (predominantly WEIRD) audience.

If you could get assurance that your name would always be credited, and that the image wasn't going to just disapear into an EE image library, then the value of it's credited use by EE has to be considered. Is it a local landmark where you live? always worth a try in the local rag for a "local 'tog has image selected for national tourism website" piece on a slow news day. Local or not, once it's featured by EE how much more likely is it that you can license hotels, b&b's, etc to use small versions of it in their own brochures? (on the basis you're more likely to squeeze £20 out of twenty people than £250 out of one) How much could you squeeze out of this as a marketing opportunity for this and other images of the same area? How much is thisimage currently earning for you towards the expenses you've mentioned? or is it dead stock?

Requests for free usage might at first glance seem a lemon, but it's always worth a look to see if there's the opportunity of making lemonade. How much exposure is this image currently getting? How much is it likely to get in the future with your current level of marketing?
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The nail has been hit on the head.
 
As said i have contacted them with a different arrangement than had been originally offered to me. If they accept, then i will be happy.

So until i hear from them everything being said now is irrelevant. Especially "The self-righteous indignation" Comment!!!

I wish i hadn't bothered putting the topic up now.
 
don't worry about it mark - like someone said on another thread the other day - treat this place like a 'pub' for discussion.
A mixed bag of opinions, characters and reactions... you can then choose which of those you want to dismiss or accept.
 
Merc said:
Has anyone ever been asked to submit work to the above website?

They have asked to use one of my images but at the end of their email the dreaded..... " We aren't able to pay for the image" :razz::nono:
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They've approached me to use an image of The Unicorn Theatre in London SE1 on the same, no-fee basis, with credit and a link back to its Flickr page.

I've not replied yet, though I had considered asking whether this was part of Dave's Big Society... :)
 
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