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  1. WillNicholls

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    Hi everyone.

    I'm moving over to Canon and looking to replace my Nikon SB-900 speedlight. I'm a wildlife photographer, so my flash uses are in macro and shots where I use the flash with an extender for wildlife with fill flash.

    Can anyone who knows flash suggest a good option for me?

    Thanks.
     
  2. DemiLion

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    Pretty much anything from the Godox family. If you don't have a pressing need for on camera flash (which I suspect you wouldn't) I'd take a long look at the AD200s.
     
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    Hi Will have a Canon 420EX Speedlite on Canon Main for sale section,it also shows photos.
    This might interest you.
    GEORGE.
     
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    I have always found the original manufacturers equipment works best and sells easily if you have to. The Canon 430EX III would be great.
     
  5. DemiLion

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    So you are suggesting replacing a top end Nikon flash with a budget, entry-level, Canon one?

    Erm, that's sensible!
     
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    :agree:
    Godox is pretty much the name of the game in flash equipment right now
     
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    Yes, the photographer makes the image not the equipment. If he wants to spend more he can.

    I think you'll find there are lots of really good photographs out there taken with the Canon 430 EX III.

    Can I assume you couldn't take a decent image using this flash then?
     
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    A used Canon 580EX or EX11 will do the job.
    If by extender you mean a better beamer then assuming you already have one for your Nikon flash looking on the speedgraphic site it won't fit but it will fit the Canon 600 EX,
    Just had a quick look on MPB he is showing the 600 from £204 , the 580 from £69 and the 580 ii from £164, a new beamer is £43.00.
    Decisions Decisions
     
  9. DemiLion

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    Unlike you, I read the requirements in the opening post...


     
  10. MartinPebblebridge

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    I did read it, unlike you I understood what was being asked. I didn't guess.

    You're going to be one of these arm chair photographers that doesn't actually do anything but has an opinion on these forums that we all know and love aren't you.

    Well knock yourself out.
     
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    Just another thought...

    If you are using the SB 900 mainly for OCF (and not using TTL), there's no reason you can't carry on using it with your Canon set up with the right triggers.
     
  12. Phil V

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    Godox AD200.

    Currently beats any Canon or Nikon speedlight into a cocked hat.

    BTW I'm well aware that 'the photographer makes the image', but obviously a decent photographer will have an interest in using great tools, and the best tools for the job when it comes to flash atm are coming from Godox.
     
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    I've a couple of Canon speedlights, had them so long they've lost most of their value.

    Oddly they're still worth enough that I could sell them and replace them with Chinese flashguns that beat them by every measure. The 430EXIII costs more than a Yongnuo 600 or a Godox Ving, they're both more capable tools.

    Of course I could do the same job with either of them, so why spend the extra on the Canon?
     
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    And having a speedlight more than capeable of delivering the light needed is better than having one just barely capeable.
     
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    Thanks for the advice everyone. Will certainly look into your suggestions.

    I've been recommended the YongNuo YN600EX-RT II.

    Apparently there's no difference between this and the canon 600EX-RT flash apart from the price?

    Anyone tried it? Looks tempting at the price!
     
  16. Phil V

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    The Yongnuo is indeed comparable to the Canon, with slightly lower build quality.

    But the Godox is also comparable and scalable. If you ever decide to move up a notch with your flash work, wouldn't it be great if you could keep the same trigger system and have a single integrated system?
     
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    YongNuo's have a nasty habit of falling apart with hard use. They've got the tech sussed but not the build quality.
     
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    If you're using a flash extender Will, then you obviously need power. Godox AD200 is the pick these days, with double the power of a good high-end speedlite. @sk66 Steven Kersting uses one this way. And BTW, it's over half a stop brighter with the Fresnel head.

    Yongnuo 600EX-RT is not as powerful as the Canon version, it's 0.4 stops down (don't believe guide numbers). And it's not as good or as well made as the Canon, but you can hardly expect more for the price. The Godox V860ii is a good match for anything though, well made and within a smidge of the Canon 600RT on power, plus lithium battery.

    For macro, suggest looking at a Godox TT350 (or two). Superb little gun that fits in the palm of your hand. And of course, all this Godox stuff works on the same trigger system (as do their big strobes). Godox is making every other flash manufacturer look flatfooted and/or overpriced ATM (y)
     
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    He isn't and he also is not an amateur page 3 photographer and he is quite correct, why would any sane person suggest that a low level amateur flash is compareable to a top of the range professional piece of kit, but taking your old profession into account why bother with the evidence :exit:

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    I read somewhere the other day that yongnuo now make a 686 (an upgrade from the 685 I guess) that uses lithium batteries, with a flash recycle time of 1.5 seconds. Only canon compatible I think.
     
  21. MartinPebblebridge

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    I would rather be an amateur page 3 photographer than an amateur prom photographer.

    Why would anyone recommend a well made flash for fill and some macro work designed by the original manufacturer of the camera. I just answered it in that sentence.

    PS Mike you spell "compareable" like this "comparable"

    To the OP its up to you what you buy. I go for reliability and compatibility. I guess that is the reason why you bought the Nikon SB-900 (I have never had a Canon or a Nikon flash fail on me). There is other stuff out there and people do try and cut corners by buying cheaper. Sometimes it works, sometimes it breaks just outside the manufacturers guarantee. You pay your money and you take your choice.
     
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    Buy cheaper?? Nah not really just buying into the system that makes the most sense from a compatibility, adaptability and a "whole system" point of view.
    Apart from the small speedlights counting the smallest tt350 to the li-Ion powered V860II Godox offers regular powerhouses in small form factor like the AD200 or more brutal looking AD360 up to regular and battery powered strobes like the AD600. All fired though the same trigger and all working on that trigger no matter what hot shoe/camera brand it's bought for. So no matter if youre using Canon and Olympus or Nikon, Fuji and Sony youll need only one flash system and only the appropriate trigger for the said camera brands. I can't help thinking that's pretty clever. Can't be long before sekonic releases a compatible flashmeter. Re reliability, ive had a Nikon flash fail and there have been issues with eg sb900 so though my godoxes are still just a few years old and have yet to prove themselves I see no reason for concern.
     
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    Soeren what Godox equipment do you have and how long have you used it. Do you have sample images to see please?
     
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    TT685 x 2 and a AD360. Looking to expand with either the AD200 or another AD360. Only selfies :( the photoclub shoots are for use by the models/sitters only because of some unfortunate incidents before.
     
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    No problem thanks for the info.
     
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    Edit. Doublish repost. I hate my phone:mad:
     
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    I've got a pair of the original (Lencarta version of the) AD600s; ie the Safari IIs. A pair of AD360s and a Ving860.

    The former two get regularly used for customer engagement at Jockey Club racecourses, including the 'Best Dressed' competitions at Carlisle, Haydock and Aintree.

    The latter one is run on Ladies Day at the Grand National Festival. It involves three photographers running three photo stands, shooting tethered into a photo studio manned by 7 photo editors and three production staff.
    We shoot on average 6-9000 frames engaging with 1500 unique subjects.

    I've used the (same) Godox kit for three years and it's still holding up well with little sign of any damage. That's despite the inebriation level of the average lovable Liverpudlian at various race meetings.

    The battery life is superb. The reliability faultless.
     
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    Well as one of the very first to get the AD600 after owning a pair of Godox RS600Ps and having used for 2 seasons of professional Black Tie and prom events both with the battery and mains packs along with V860IIs, AD360IIs and now a couple of AD200s my advice to the OP is to consider where it might develop and what else you might want to do as having that range of lighting options all controlled from one controller and knowing that working in hard professional environments they have not let me down dont jump into buying until you think it through

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  29. Phil V

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    Firstly; facts.

    Mike's a pro.

    Secondly, you do appear to be an amateur wannabe page 3 photographer, so why does the website suggest you're a pro photographer specialising in weddings?

    It seems you've looked at loads of pros websites, is your failure to post wedding galleries a ploy to be different, or because you've never actually delivered any?

    Asking for a friend ;)

    Back to the OP:
    Choosing Godox isn't buying cheaper, it's buying into the only brand producing a fully integrated flash system, according to lots of actual pros and a photography journalist here.

    Or just buy a Canon on the word of an amateur tits n bums man :) (someone who's been on a group studio shoot or 2)
     
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    Because Pebblebridge is a play website. It isn't for making money. Notice there are no prices on it. Come on Phil wake up and smell the coffee. My commercial and wedding websites are quite separate. But you Phil do look every inch like the £895 (OMG that is between two of you!!!!!) wedding photographer you are (I meant £447.50).

    WOW if you shoot 30 weddings in a year what do you do with that £13425 you make. Wish I was as pro a photographer as you. I tip my hat to you sir, you're really living the dream.
     
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    Maybe he is not charging the £1895 you are here http://www.mgiddings.com/wedding-photography-prices/ but he is a very helpful chap on the forums

    Mike
     
  32. MartinPebblebridge

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    Well Mike I am not really concerned over what he charges. But if you like to dish it out then you have to be able to take it as well. I'm surprised no one looked up the WHoIS info sooner. Well done.

    In fact might be helpful to all if this stopped now don't you all agree?
     
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    Yes please.
     
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    And FWIW, Canon 430EXiii is a very good gun for those that like to stay on brand. It's much less like the 430EXii, that was a stripped down 580EXii, and much more like the 600EX-RT with a bit less power, but fully featured, usefully smaller and and a lot cheaper.
     
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    Indeed, but I still maintain that it's not fit for purpose in this case.
     
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    Hi Will
    add my 2p for what it is worth.. I have both the YongNuo YN600EX-RTII and a Canon 430ex3 also got a Nissin but won't include that in this
    for the money the YongNuo is unbelievable value for money at about £100 my main bug bear with it is that I have to take the batterys out after use as they run down completely overnight or 48hrs which i find mildly annoying as an example i might only use it for 30 mins take around 30 shots with a fully charged battery and have to take out the batteries every time or they just run flat

    The Canon 430ex3 is slightly less powerful but still packs a punch for such a small flash and i can leave my batteries in all the time and have no issues what so ever I recently shot two weddings using the canon as master on camera controlling the YongNuo which worked like a charm and you can get the Canon from Hong Kong for £180

    as for the AD200 it looks like a great flash and I will get one some time in the future but you said you want to use your new flash for birds using converters etc well I might be wrong but i think you cannot zoom the light on the AD200 and it has a quite wide spread which would not really make it the best option unless you use a 3rd party snoot type modifier
     
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    An accesory like the better beamer works best with the flash zoomed to 35-50mm
    https://rpphoto.com/Store/Better-Beamer-Support/FAQ/How-to-attach.aspx
     
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    "I have to take the batterys out after use as they run down completely overnight."

    This doesn't sound right. I have four YN 600EX-RT guns and they're fine. Come to that, I've never known any flash gun to do it.
     
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    if the problem has not affected you fair enough but it has me and a whole bunch of other people

    https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3810373


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0fe8YbNVJM


    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1413230

    https://photo.stackexchange.com/que...flash-units-from-one-controller-on-the-camera
     
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    The point is, they don't all do that and it's a fault. Should be replaced.
     

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