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I'm wondering if anybody knows if there are any useful courses or resources available if one wants to get into forensic or crime scene photography? This relates vaguely to my job; I'm a fraud investigator. More and more of the responsibilites of my role are converging/overlapping with those of the Met police, whom I work alongside, and I think it'd be interesting if I could bring the skills my hobby has given me to bear on some of the investigations I undertake.

This thought has just come out of the air this afternoon, so I haven't looked into it by any other channels yet, and really don't have a clue as to what would be involved or required, but I thought I would see if any of you clever people had any experience or knowledge that would set me off in the right direction :thumbs:

Cheers!
 
I think, though I could be wrong, that the advent of digital has killed off much specialised photography in the police force - they just give a SOCO a camera and they can check on the screen whether they;ve got the shot they need.

About eight years ago, I did see job advertised by the Met and would have gone for it myself but it required a photographic qualification (even if it was just a C&G certificate)
 
I think most of them are actually qualified forensic scientists first and foremost.
 
I think, though I could be wrong, that the advent of digital has killed off much specialised photography in the police force - they just give a SOCO a camera and they can check on the screen whether they;ve got the shot they need.

A lot of forces still use 35mm film cameras, especially for court evidence (got a mate who used to work in the surveillance team)
 
Just watch a few episodes of CSI Miami. Tobacco filter is mandatory and fixing a ring flash to a consumer DSLR - or relying on the little pop-up thingy above the viewfinder.
 
inc using the TP search facility? sorry :) amazingly for such a niche? thingy.. this has been discussed a few times on TP

heres one but there are more :)
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=165334&highlight=FORENSIC

I do beg your pardon KIPAX: I did a search for 'forensic' and missed that one; many of the others didn't contain the information I was looking for.

It would be interesting to see how many threads there would be left on TP if duplicate subject threads are cleared out from the forum; like the multiple "does my crop-sensor camera make my 18-55mm lens a 28-88mm one?" type threads. Not many I bet.
 
A lot of forces still use 35mm film cameras, especially for court evidence (got a mate who used to work in the surveillance team)

There are very few forces that still use 35mm film cameras (and as for court evidence, this is the only reason photo's are taken!). 99% of it is now digital and NorthernNikon is correct in that SOCO's and other forensic investigators (such as crash investigators) take their own pictures, which they are now trained to do. There's really no such thing as a "police photographer" anymore as the job has been absorbed within the relevant roles.
 
Simon, PM me. I did 7 years in Scientific Support unit with Thames Valley Police.

SOCO's do 90% of the photography now. And most Police forces including survailance are all Digital.

My Business partner for the wedding business is still the Manager for TVP.

And she will be more than willing to chat to you and tell you whats what.

to do photography with the old bill? Soco's are civie. and you need to be into Science as the photography is an add on.

Traffic and survailance is all coppers. As we used to train them up. It was like a monkey's tea party. As they had no idea most of them which end of the camera was which.

you'd think the powers that be would get someone who knows what they are doing.... Cut backs I guess. The amount of work that was unusable because they did'nt know what to do..... scarey.

Thats why I left. I was in the lab printing more than out taking.
 
I looked in to this a while ago, not sure if a HND was needed or not, different sources say different things.
 
My local uni where I use to live was Lincoln, ran a forensic photography course in May '09
It specialised in roadside collisions. It was only a 3 day course working with the police... I would of done it if not for the £650 fee!
 
There are very few forces that still use 35mm film cameras (and as for court evidence, this is the only reason photo's are taken!). 99% of it is now digital and NorthernNikon is correct in that SOCO's and other forensic investigators (such as crash investigators) take their own pictures, which they are now trained to do. There's really no such thing as a "police photographer" anymore as the job has been absorbed within the relevant roles.

Agreeing with you here: one of the reasons that RAW images cannot be easily altered was an early requirement from the Police and Armed Forces for a means of making an image non-alterable in it's taken form. Until that happened, chain of evidence could not be guaranteed and for a while, 35mm and 4x4 cameras were still used.
Since the European Courts have allowed digital imagery to be entered as evidence as long as they were accompanied by the RAW files, then there was no longer a requirement to continue with expensive and slow 'wet-film' capability.

There are still some branches of Law-Enforcement photography that require specialist skills, but in most cases, officers from that Unit would come to 'us' for specialist training in that field - such as covert surveillance and hidden camera skills...

I once taught a group of Customs and Excise (as they used to be called) officers how to set up photographic hides to catch drugs smugglers, based on our experieces in Northern Ieland.
 
Soco job that was advertised........

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SCENES OF CRIME OFFICER


The Scenes of Crime department is part of the Forensic Investigation Unit. As a Scenes of Crime Officer (SOCO), you will play an intrinsic part in the investigative process, and be constantly challenged in this diverse role.

SOCO’s are the responsible body for the police in the collection of evidence from a scene of a crime. You will be required to utilize your keen investigative and analytical skills to gather photographic, fingerprint and forensic evidence.

The importance of your role dictates that you must be patient and methodical in your practice as well as possessing a meticulous eye for detail to ensure that all vital evidence is gathered. You can expect a high level of job satisfaction as the evidence you provide may lead to the identification of an offender or be used as corroborative evidence for other crimes.

The areas in which an SOCO can expect to work ranges anywhere form burglaries and assaults to suspicious or unexpected deaths, it is therefore a given that you may find yourself in often less than desirable environments, but will maintain the professionalism to carry out your duties regardless.

Your job will often involve interaction with victims of crime or accidents; you must therefore be able to communicate sympathetically and have good interviewing and listening skills.

Entry requirements will vary between Police Forces, however an ideal candidate would have previous experience of scenes of crime work or related certificate/degree in photography or evidence of photographic ability (some may also ask for GCSE’s or A Levels). They will also demonstrate a willingness to learn quickly, be physically fit, and have an investigative mindset and a full driving license.
 
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Scenes of Crime Officer
Introduction

Technology plays an increasing part in collecting evidence at the site of a crime or accident. Using special equipment that is able to record clues often invisible to the naked eye, scenes of crime officers gather forensic, photographic and fingerprint evidence.

Scenes of crime officers, who are sometimes also known as crime scene investigators, work for individual police forces in scientific support. A small number are police officers. The majority are civilians.

Work Environment

Scenes of crime officers work from police force headquarters or divisional offices. They spend most of their time out on investigations – and use their offices as bases to write reports and prepare statements.

Scenes of crime officers work in all kinds of environments and weather. They may be called to night time road traffic accidents or have to climb on to roofs to look for evidence of forced entry to buildings.

Hours of work are 37, on a shift system over five days each week, including weekends. In most forces normal hours of work are between 7 and 8 am and 11pm and midnight. But scenes of crime officers are required to be on call on a regular basis outside these hours and may have to work overnight.

Daily Activities

At the beginning of a shift scenes of crime officers are given a list of calls that have come in from police officers overnight. They put these in order of priority and plan to do them in a logical order. However, as they are driving from one incident to another, urgent calls may come in from control and they may decide to reorganise their route. They remain in contact with control by mobile phone, pager and VHS radio.

At the scene of the incident they establish what evidence the investigating police officer requires and decide on the best methods of obtaining it. They then take charge of the scene and decide on an order of work. Before beginning, they put on protective clothing – paper suits, overshoes and masks to avoid contaminating evidence.

They take photographs of the scene, arranging lights and using filters and chemicals. They gather forensic evidence, using various techniques – for example brushing surfaces with special powder or passing an electrical charge through chemically treated paper to raise dust from furniture and clothing fibres or footwear prints from carpets.

They also take impressions of fingerprints from people who may have had access to the scene of the crime. They may have to take fingerprints from dead bodies in order to establish their identity.

Finally, they put the samples into protective packaging and send them to forensic laboratories or fingerprint bureaux for analysis.

Their work may take them to private houses, schools, industrial premises or to outdoor sites. In some cases they might have to walk long distances in the countryside, carrying all their heavy equipment.

Scenes of crime officers sometimes work alone, sometimes with colleagues. In murder investigations it is usual to have a team of one scenes of crime supervisor and two scenes of crime officers – one to take photographs and one to collect forensic samples.

They often have to work in difficult conditions – for example taking photographs in the dark, with flashing lights from police cars and ambulances making it difficult to take the shots.

Scenes of crime officers also have to do some unpleasant tasks. For instance it is their job to recover bodies – perhaps from a river or a railway line. They are responsible for identifying bodies through DNA or fingerprint testing. Sometimes they may decide to request dental records.

They frequently give evidence in court.

Skills & Interests

Scenes of crime officers must be patient and methodical. They need to pay meticulous attention to detail and must never hurry, even if under pressure to do so. Sometimes they need to be firm and able to explain to a police officer who is hoping for a speedy result or a householder who wants to begin tidying their property that they cannot work more quickly. They need to be able to communicate sympathetically with the victims of a crime or an accident and to have good interviewing and listening skills.

They must be physically fit.

Sometimes scenes of crime officers arrive to find a crowd of onlookers or colleagues from the other emergency services at the scene. They need the confidence to take charge and after making sure that any victims have been attended to, request people to move aside and clear the way for them to begin the investigation.

Entry Requirements

These vary in different police forces. Some ask for a good standard of general education plus evidence of photographic ability. Others ask for GCSEs or A levels.

Some new scenes of crime officers attend a residential course at the National Training Centre for Scientific Support to Crime Investigation near Durham. Others are trained by their police force, for example Kent Police and the Metropolitan Police in London train all their own scenes of crime officers. Training within the force like this is often less generic and more specific to particular posts.

Further training is then given on the job. They also take a course to qualify as police approved drivers. During their careers scenes of crime officers attend short courses to keep their skills up to date.

Estimated salary range

Salaries also vary. The average salary is approximately £17,000-£18,500 plus a 14% shift work allowance. Scenes of crime officers also receive additional payments for working outside their normal hours.

Please note that salary information is a guide only and there may be local agreements in place. For further information about salaries for particular positions, please contact your local council directly.

Future prospects & opportunities

Police forces employ different numbers of scenes of crime officers. A medium sized police force might employ up to 20 scenes of crime officers, with three or four scenes of crime supervisors. Some large ones have over 60 scenes of crime officers and 10 supervisors. There are prospects of further promotion to head of scenes of crime.

Related Occupations

Follow this link to view a list of all related occuptions in Protecting Your Community.
Alternatively, follow this link to view all career profiles placed in the same job area.

Further Information & Services

Contact your local police force headquarters for further information on the work of a scenes of crime officer and for local entry requirements and training information.

You may find further information about this area of work in your local Connexions service/careers office/school careers library – under UG.

What should I do next?

Look for current local government Scenes of Crime Officer vacancies in the following places:

LGjobs.com - the official recruitment website for local government.
Weekly, bi-weekly or monthly jobs bulletins produced by local councils themselves, available from libraries, community centres, town halls/main civic buildings and central council personnel departments.
Local council websites.
Local newspapers
National newspapers – The Guardian is particularly well known for its public sector job advertisements on a Wednesday.
Find out about the council and get some work experience if possible by:

Making the most of work experience placements arranged through your school, college or university.
Contacting councils close to your home to find out about the work experience opportunities they offer.
Talking to someone who does the job you are interested in – ring your local council to see if someone can spare some time.
Making an appointment to see a careers adviser for more specific information about jobs and training
 
Thanks for your responses guys; hadn't checked this thread since last night!

@Daryl: I'm not really looking to become a SOCO, at the moment ;) but I may well contact you regarding your earlier message, cheers!

@Sandy: thanks for the info! And when I have the chance I'd like to drop you an email to discuss further!

From beginning, quite frankly, cluelessly yesterday afternoon, all your posts have at least given me a direction and more to look into, thanks everyone :clap:
 
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