Freddie the seal mauled by a dog...

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Just heard on the TV that the seal rescued from the Thames recently has been attacked by a dog and has died....
So sad... :(
 
That's tragic, :(
 
This dog will have history of aggression to anything that moves and should not be unleashed or un muzzled. I was once caught by surprise when we came across a seal reasonably for from the shoreline at Flamborough and immediately placed the dog on the lead and he was not aggressive in the slightest but wanted to leave the animal in piece. We then reported to the local wildlife rescue organisation.
 
As a responsible dog owner it sickens me to read stories like this.
Some people should not own dogs, we have a lot of numpties who don't clean up after their dog in our local park.
If I see a dog do it and the owner doesn't pay attention I always shout out do you need a bag?
 
hashcake said:
As a responsible dog owner it sickens me to read stories like this.
Some people should not own dogs, we have a lot of numpties who don't clean up after their dog in our local park.
If I see a dog do it and the owner doesn't pay attention I always shout out do you need a bag?
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I just shout "hoy, pick up the effin crap"....
 
I had a guy come out to me once effing and blinding telling me to pick up the dogs crap.
I said he tried to do a crap, but he's constipated and nothing came out. I told him to come and check.
He said "pick it up or I'm calling the cops"...I told him to crack on and I'd wait for them to turn up....
He swore at me again and I told him to eff off....
 
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I have an Assistance Dog and I remember a couple of years ago when someone asked me if I was going to pick that up.

I said 'Of course not, he can do it himself.' He walked on with no further comment . . . :facepalm:
 
Just seen this awful news.

I believe with dogs 50% nature, 50% nurture.

Had the owner put the bloody thing on the lead, (which should be a legal requirement for dogs in public land) the dog couldn't have gotten to the seal.

Had the dog not been an aggressive type it wouldn't have gone for the seal in the first place.

Everyone's different but I don't get the appeal of pet ownership and I don't like dog's and incidents like this are all too common and could be solved by owners keeping them under control on a short lead.
 
hashcake said:
As a responsible dog owner it sickens me to read stories like this.
Some people should not own dogs, we have a lot of numpties who don't clean up after their dog in our local park.
If I see a dog do it and the owner doesn't pay attention I always shout out do you need a bag?
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Just the other day I inadvertently stood on some dog s*** left behind by a lovely pooch.

Foul task getting that off my shoes.
 
bobman said:
I don't know this but in all probabilities I'm sure it doesn't just have inclination of attack towards seals, call me naive or lacking in dog psychology and behaviour?
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I think you’re not naive but it’s very unlikely that a pet dog has the inclination to attack anything that moves ( why would you keep it as a pet if it did) I really don’t know how either of mine would react to seals purely cause I haven’t opportunity to socialise to them.
 
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Picture this. 5 to 9 this morning lady with a small child on the way to school with a small dog on one of those extending leads (not locked) Also the the woman looking at he smart phone as she crossed the road. She did not even look up from her phone when she stepped into the roadway. The dog went one way she continued crossing the road at a shallow angle and the kiddie jumping about. Some people should not be allowed to have a dog or children. (better still not allowed out unsupervised
 
One of them stupid fashionable french bulldogs piled into my three on Sunday on my local walk, mine all on a lead with this thing on a harness with no lead attached, lucky it didn’t like my left foot up it’s arse and it’s owner ran over apologetic saying he was to fast for her when he spotted me, these numb skulls should be micro chipped along with there dogs.
 
Apparently the dogs owner is a QC, and her Lawyer says she has committed no crime.
(She also lives in a £6m house)

mol.im

Woman in charge of dog that savaged Freddie the seal is top QC

Rebecca Sabben-Clare QC, 49, lives in a £5.8million house with her husband William, 57, not far away from Hammersmith Bridge, where the incident took place.
mol.im mol.im
 
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Smadga said:
One of them stupid fashionable french bulldogs piled into my three on Sunday on my local walk, mine all on a lead with this thing on a harness with no lead attached, lucky it didn’t like my left foot up it’s arse and it’s owner ran over apologetic saying he was to fast for her when he spotted me, these numb skulls should be micro chipped along with there dogs.
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When my son was young (pre school) our next door neighbour has an Alsatian. We lived on a green and they were too lazy to take it for a walk, and just used to let it out on it's own. It was never properly socialised, and one day, as we left the house it came over barking and snarling at a rate of knots, and pushed my son on the ground. It was met with a very tasty right hook to the side of it's head that knocked it over. The neighbour came running out and I told him to STFU or he would get the same. They gave the dog to her sister apparently, hopefully they looked after it better.

I love dogs, I really do, but they deserve owners who have the time and patience to look after them.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Apparently the dogs owner is a QC, and her Lawyer says she has committed no crime.
(She also lives in a £6m house)

mol.im

Woman in charge of dog that savaged Freddie the seal is top QC

Rebecca Sabben-Clare QC, 49, lives in a £5.8million house with her husband William, 57, not far away from Hammersmith Bridge, where the incident took place.
mol.im mol.im
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I am not that familiar with the Dangerous Dogs Act but I have a feeling that the offence is confined to when a dog out of control attacks a person or a domestic animal. They may well be right by saying there was no offence because presumably the seal was a wild animal there is no crime. I don't suppose that they could prove she was hunting with the dog - which is an offence, so there could well be a gap in the law that needs closing.
 
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My grandparents had what was the biggest tabby moggy you have ever seen. He was 40" from the tip of his tail to his nose and weighed 28 pounds. He was a 'watch cat'. He would lie on the top of the garden wall and if a stray dog passed underneath (this was 1948) he would jump down onto their backs and scare the living daylights out of it. Dogs once ambushed like this would cross over the footpath to avoid passing HIS the house. The only other animal that he respected was their cockerel and always gave it a wide berth.

Indoors he was as gentle an animal you could wish for and for a male tabby very affectionate. However if it was quiet at night and there was a visitor to the house, he would start growling and his hackles and tail would swell to make him look huge until whoever it was came in and he would settle down again. He hated the bin men and window cleaner and would hiss and spit at them until they were finished and left.
 
Smadga said:
One of them stupid fashionable french bulldogs piled into my three on Sunday on my local walk, mine all on a lead with this thing on a harness with no lead attached, lucky it didn’t like my left foot up it’s arse and it’s owner ran over apologetic saying he was to fast for her when he spotted me, these numb skulls should be micro chipped along with there dogs.
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I think one problem with those short faced dogs is that to another dog their ‘staring eyes’ look aggressive and liable provoke a response :(.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Apparently the dogs owner is a QC, and her Lawyer says she has committed no crime.
(She also lives in a £6m house)

mol.im

Woman in charge of dog that savaged Freddie the seal is top QC

Rebecca Sabben-Clare QC, 49, lives in a £5.8million house with her husband William, 57, not far away from Hammersmith Bridge, where the incident took place.
mol.im mol.im
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So they’ve doxed this woman for what her dog did (allegedly) and attacked her for being a ‘toff’ while disparaging the dog for being a ‘cross-breed’ (how do they know that!):mad:.

Seals should know better than to haul out on land accessible to predators. What was the seal doing the rest of the time ... not killing poor helpless salmon that never did any harm I hope?
 
sphexx said:
What was the seal doing the rest of the time ... not killing poor helpless salmon that never did any harm I hope?
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Salmon aren't cuddly, cute or fashionable wildlife, and they are seen as a food source rather than something to be protected. Still sucks that a dog killed the seal.
 
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darkroom12 said:
I am not that familiar with the Dangerous Dogs Act but I have a feeling that the offence is confined to when a dog out of control attacks a person or a domestic animal. They may well be right by saying there was no offence because presumably the seal was a wild animal there is no crime. I don't suppose that they could prove she was hunting with the dog - which is an offence, so there could well be a gap in the law that needs closing.
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She wouldn't be hunting with it. That would be a leap too far. To prove that in court would be tricky. Odd thing to hunt, seals also.

Is there a potential public order offence in there, dunno. Are seals protected species, if so there could be a liability there. Hopefully something, anything, just to get that dog put down.

Personally I think the law should be, dogs must be on a lead unless confined to private property.
 
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ancient_mariner said:
Salmon aren't cuddly, cute or fashionable wildlife, and they are seen as a food source rather than something to be protected. Still sucks that a dog killed the seal.
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Are there many salmon in the Thames ? :)
 
sphexx said:
So they’ve doxed this woman for what her dog did (allegedly) and attacked her for being a ‘toff’ while disparaging the dog for being a ‘cross-breed’ (how do they know that!):mad:.

Seals should know better than to haul out on land accessible to predators. What was the seal doing the rest of the time ... not killing poor helpless salmon that never did any harm I hope?
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I don't think there's any doubt it was her dog, and the photos prove the dog attacked the seal.
She's a toff, and a QC, so will know the best lawyers so will likely get away with it.
Seals natural predators are whales and polar bears, not dogs.....
 
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ancient_mariner said:
Salmon aren't cuddly, cute or fashionable wildlife, and they are seen as a food source rather than something to be protected. Still sucks that a dog killed the seal.
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Nearly everything in the sea apart from algae are predators.
 
Nasty gash on the seal's flipper but I find myself wondering why it was necessary to have it put down ... probably more to it than I have observed but we do have seal sanctuarys etc for injured and displaced seals.
 
gramps said:
Nasty gash on the seal's flipper but I find myself wondering why it was necessary to have it put down ... probably more to it than I have observed but we do have seal sanctuarys etc for injured and displaced seals.
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From the Daily Mail article....

But vets said in an update on Monday: 'Ourselves and the experts at British divers marine life rescue have consulted several specialist marine and orthopedic vets and as we strongly suspected having taken X-rays this morning the prognosis is extremely poor.

'Freddie's flipper is fractured and the joint dislocated. Seals do not take anaesthetic well as they have a dive reflex and don't breathe.

'We suspect the infection is spreading and with the other bite wounds to his body he is very miserable. At this stage we believe the only ethical and fair option we have is to end his suffering.'

The BDMLR said in a statement: 'Unfortunately, after an X-ray this afternoon, our worst fears were confirmed, and the seal not only sustained a broken bone, but also a dislocation, damage to his joint, ligaments and nerves that made it impossible to treat and return him to the wild.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
'We suspect the infection is spreading and with the other bite wounds to his body he is very miserable. At this stage we believe the only ethical and fair option we have is to end his suffering.'
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This makes me wonder if it wasn't the first attack, infection doesn't normally take hold that quickly
 
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