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Spectacular particularly in BW-that Dragon looks huge, certainly would not like to meet it on a dark night, or any night for that matter!
 
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That is very impressive Neil, Maybe they will ask you if they could use it somewhere.
 
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Very well composed perspective image. Well done. But, as always it leaves me wondering what part of this is a credit to the camera and what part is a credit to post processing. Without post what would it have looked like? Without knowing that one can never really give true credit to the camera, can they?
 
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Very well composed perspective image. Well done. But, as always it leaves me wondering what part of this is a credit to the camera and what part is a credit to post processing. Without post what would it have looked like? Without knowing that one can never really give true credit to the camera, can they?
What does the post have to do with crediting a camera though? Credit goes to the image as a whole and its a very good one I agree with you there.
 
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Very well composed perspective image. Well done. But, as always it leaves me wondering what part of this is a credit to the camera and what part is a credit to post processing. Without post what would it have looked like? Without knowing that one can never really give true credit to the camera, can they?
Theres post processing for sure mainly dodge and burn using masks, I usually find it harder to process images on lower spec cameras with lower mp (artefacts, banding, sharpness etc) so thats why I mentioned the camera model in the original post. So with your question in mind a lot of credit goes to the camera as its part of the creative workflow and without it there wouldn't be an image at all!

What does the post have to do with crediting a camera though? Credit goes to the image as a whole and its a very good one I agree with you there.
Theres always one ;-) Cheers Tom, much appreciated!
 

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What does the post have to do with crediting a camera though? Credit goes to the image as a whole and its a very good one I agree with you there.
As he mentioned he took his daughter's D5300 and lenses. So, he has made the point of the camera. If the camera were not important, why was it mentioned? If he hadn't then I would agree with your point. But, he did. And, thereby, suggest that credit for the photo goes to his choice of camera. On the other hand if he had said 'I took my daughter's Canon sd1200.....' then I am sure we'd be scratching our heads, here. So, the camera used does matter, as he mentions.
 

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Theres post processing for sure mainly dodge and burn using masks, I usually find it harder to process images on lower spec cameras with lower mp (artefacts, banding, sharpness etc) so thats why I mentioned the camera model in the original post. So with your question in mind a lot of credit goes to the camera as its part of the creative workflow and without it there wouldn't be an image at all!



Theres always one ;-) Cheers Tom, much appreciated!
Yes. There is always the one. Actually, it is 'there is always the many left wondering'. Here on this website are found the expert, fine art photographers. Who, unfortunately, assume they are the world. While it is true they are unique by their great capability they forget that more the world is made up of viewers who are left wondering. By your kindness of stopping to explain you enlighten and open doors for so many of us to understand and one day enter. And, for that you truly are the unique, expert, fine art photographer. You are different. Thank you, and good shooting.
 
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Yes. There is always the one. Actually, it is 'there is always the many left wondering'. Here on this website are found the expert, fine art photographers. Who, unfortunately, assume they are the world. While it is true they are unique by their great capability they forget that more the world is made up of viewers who are left wondering. By your kindness of stopping to explain you enlighten and open doors for so many of us to understand and one day enter. And, for that you truly are the unique, expert, fine art photographer. You are different. Thank you, and good shooting.
I’ve not seen any so-called "expert fine art” photographers on this particular site tbh unless I'm looking in the wrong sections. A camera is only a tool in the creative process and many creative people capture amazing photography and create brilliant art by using phone camera's these days. Unfortunately, there are far too many photographers that like to disregard the creativity involved in so-called "fine art" photography simply because they feel it's pushing the boundaries too far. Personally, I'd rather see a more creative take on a scene rather than a record/documentary shot.
 
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Stunner - well done :)

EDIT - stunner isn't enough - its truly FAB and easily the best image I've seen on TP in a long time, A3 or even A2 on my wall all day long if it were mine :)

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Cheers Dave thats very kind of you


I suspect that is most peoples reaction to this image.
I do not know, if you care to exploit your images, but this seems to be one with obvious value. I would certainly offer it to "Universal", preferably through an agent who would understand how to maximise its potential.
 
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I suspect that is most peoples reaction to this image.
I do not know, if you care to exploit your images, but this seems to be one with obvious value. I would certainly offer it to "Universal", preferably through an agent who would understand how to maximise its potential.
Thanks, Terry I wouldn't know even where to start regarding using an agent!
 
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Thanks, Terry I wouldn't know even where to start regarding using an agent!
I am sure that there are people here who are currently using an agent, Though It is a rather specialised world, and not part of mine. Like any sphere some agents are better than others, and they do not all specialise in the same areas.
An image like this (and some of your others ) need the careful handling to maximise their potential and to extend their "Life" earnings.

It would be worth a little effort to find such a person.
It is a rather different prospect than your current "Gallery" style "passive" sales method, As Agents are proactive in the market place, and make direct contact with Users and buyers.
However they are selective in who and what they take on.
 
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Very well composed perspective image. Well done. But, as always it leaves me wondering what part of this is a credit to the camera and what part is a credit to post processing. Without post what would it have looked like? Without knowing that one can never really give true credit to the camera, can they?
What this shot is in every way is a perfect example to the gear addicted, pixel peeping, IQ obsessed branch of photographers (which I include myself in) that the camera and lens you use is almost utterly irrelevant to the finished photograph.

The vision, followed by nailing the exposure and technique with any usable modern camera, then processing it as well as Neil has above is what truly makes an image sing.

Great shot, next time I'm thinking about a gear upgrade I'll come and look at this again Neil. Then keep what I've got or change hobbies!
 

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What this shot is in every way is a perfect example to the gear addicted, pixel peeping, IQ obsessed branch of photographers (which I include myself in) that the camera and lens you use is almost utterly irrelevant to the finished photograph.

The vision, followed by nailing the exposure and technique with any usable modern camera, then processing it as well as Neil has above is what truly makes an image sing.

Great shot, next time I'm thinking about a gear upgrade I'll come and look at this again Neil. Then keep what I've got or change hobbies!
Thank you for a peek at the photo from your quite honest perspective. It helps me to define so much. And serves as a guide for me to chart my way. I only wish the OP had been as honest and complete in his response. Too often having only the EXIF is not enough. Parts are parts. But proportions is very much a different matter. I have asked this question to many others of the same type of photographer, and for the effort have learned that few artists will share the chemistry of their formula. Instead, they'd prefer to obscure it as 'magic', unfortunately. Which, sadly, is a clear confession of their insecurity. So, I have often wondered it is better to be the ever questing neophyte constantly dissatisfied and always striving or be the acclaimed, praised, and followed photographer who is ever insecure in that position. Thank you once again.
 
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What this shot is in every way is a perfect example to the gear addicted, pixel peeping, IQ obsessed branch of photographers (which I include myself in) that the camera and lens you use is almost utterly irrelevant to the finished photograph.

The vision, followed by nailing the exposure and technique with any usable modern camera, then processing it as well as Neil has above is what truly makes an image sing.

Great shot, next time I'm thinking about a gear upgrade I'll come and look at this again Neil. Then keep what I've got or change hobbies!
Cheers Craig, very much appreciated
 
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What this shot is in every way is a perfect example to the gear addicted, pixel peeping, IQ obsessed branch of photographers (which I include myself in) that the camera and lens you use is almost utterly irrelevant to the finished photograph.

The vision, followed by nailing the exposure and technique with any usable modern camera, then processing it as well as Neil has above is what truly makes an image sing.

Great shot, next time I'm thinking about a gear upgrade I'll come and look at this again Neil. Then keep what I've got or change hobbies!
Remember we are only seeing it at low res where really you can’t tell the difference - and a d5300 really hasn’t got a bad sensor as it is.

These modern crop sensors aren’t the noisy low dynamic range rubbish (D40 etc)of yesteryear.

For instance I can’t tell whether you used a d850, d500 or d750 in your Italian Dolomite images from the low res images you posted here.

With an image like this it’s the composition and processing that matters - not the gear if it’s only destined for small print and/or web use.

In saying all that I think it is a shame he didn’t have the better gear with him - not for our sake as we will only get to see it on low res on this forum but there is life for this image beyond TP. Eg OP might one day want to print it really really big, sell it, do more with it or just pixel peep devouring the details within - and then might come the nagging doubt - if only I had my d8x0/fancy 2.8 zoom etc etc. I blame 100% mode for my GAS.

And yeah I like the image. It looks great and aesthetically I wouldn’t change a thing about it.
 
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Remember we are only seeing it at low res where really you can’t tell the difference - and a d5300 really hasn’t got a bad sensor as it is.

These modern crop sensors aren’t the noisy low dynamic range rubbish (D40 etc)of yesteryear.

For instance I can’t tell whether you used a d850, d500 or d750 in your Italian Dolomite images from the low res images you posted here.

With an image like this it’s the composition and processing that matters - not the gear if it’s only destined for small print and/or web use.

In saying all that I think it is a shame he didn’t have the better gear with him - not for our sake as we will only get to see it on low res on this forum but there is life for this image beyond TP. Eg OP might one day want to print it really really big, sell it, do more with it or just pixel peep devouring the details within - and then might come the nagging doubt - if only I had my d8x0/fancy 2.8 zoom etc etc. I blame 100% mode for my GAS.

And yeah I like the image. It looks great and aesthetically I wouldn’t change a thing about it.
It's always nice to have that option but in all seriousness, I've printed this A2 and it could easily go beyond that, it's just never likely too. Cheers for the comment.
 
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Thank you for a peek at the photo from your quite honest perspective. It helps me to define so much. And serves as a guide for me to chart my way. I only wish the OP had been as honest and complete in his response. Too often having only the EXIF is not enough. Parts are parts. But proportions is very much a different matter. I have asked this question to many others of the same type of photographer, and for the effort have learned that few artists will share the chemistry of their formula. Instead, they'd prefer to obscure it as 'magic', unfortunately. Which, sadly, is a clear confession of their insecurity. So, I have often wondered it is better to be the ever questing neophyte constantly dissatisfied and always striving or be the acclaimed, praised, and followed photographer who is ever insecure in that position. Thank you once again.
I'm not entirely sure why you would choose to attack the OPs honesty and insecurities as opposed to just enjoying his work. Do you want to know exactly want he does and how he does it without putting the work in yourself? Do you just want to be part of the growing number of Stepford Wives photographers out there just replicating the same image again and again. I enjoy Neils work immensely but I know that a huge amount of effort has gone into making it appear effortless. For my part I don't think I asked anyone a question, read a book or watch a video when I started - I just took an awful lot of photographs and did an awful of playing g about with processing. If you need to know about this style of processing you can learn it for a fee from any number of talented photographers. Some acclaimed, praised and followed photographers couldn't give a bugger and just enjoy presenting their images for others to view. I suspect Neil is in that category.
 
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I'm not entirely sure why you would choose to attack the OPs honesty and insecurities as opposed to just enjoying his work. Do you want to know exactly want he does and how he does it without putting the work in yourself? Do you just want to be part of the growing number of Stepford Wives photographers out there just replicating the same image again and again. I enjoy Neils work immensely but I know that a huge amount of effort has gone into making it appear effortless. For my part I don't think I asked anyone a question, read a book or watch a video when I started - I just took an awful lot of photographs and did an awful of playing g about with processing. If you need to know about this style of processing you can learn it for a fee from any number of talented photographers. Some acclaimed, praised and followed photographers couldn't give a bugger and just enjoy presenting their images for others to view. I suspect Neil is in that category.
Cheers Mark, sorry I missed this comment before, as always your support and kind words are much appreciated.
 
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Thank you for a peek at the photo from your quite honest perspective. It helps me to define so much. And serves as a guide for me to chart my way. I only wish the OP had been as honest and complete in his response. Too often having only the EXIF is not enough. Parts are parts. But proportions is very much a different matter. I have asked this question to many others of the same type of photographer, and for the effort have learned that few artists will share the chemistry of their formula. Instead, they'd prefer to obscure it as 'magic', unfortunately. Which, sadly, is a clear confession of their insecurity. So, I have often wondered it is better to be the ever questing neophyte constantly dissatisfied and always striving or be the acclaimed, praised, and followed photographer who is ever insecure in that position. Thank you once again.
Why do you believe that everyone must share their techniques, you are not entitled to free training or short cuts, if people show you then bonus if not hard lines, it certainly has no relevance whatsover to their sercrity as people. We get asked all the time about invisible mannequin techniques for example, we always tell them we use invisible paint, now thats not me being insecure, thats me answering some lazy git who cannot be bothered to do the research.
 
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