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Mentalblock

Mentalblock

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Well this should be a nice feeling and a mile stone in my photography, that is the fact that someone thinks one of my images is good enough for their web site.
However, that someone failed to ask my permission which is disappointing and basically cheeky!

It came to my attention after someone unknown to me posted a link, on my flickr, to the website using my image. When I clicked on the link I was surprised to see my image, complete with a credit to me and a link back to my flickr page!

The credit and link were a nice gesture and would have been my only request had they asked to use the image. But it just shows how easy it would have been for them to ask.

As they are a non-profit making community group, and considering they provided the credit and link, I've emailed them confirming they may continue using the image on their web (but for nothing else without asking first!), but pointed out my disappointment that they failed to ask first. I've also suggested they contact the other flickr members who they've also used material from.

Now I'm off to check my flickr settings so no one can take my work again!!
 
uploading your pics to flikr.. not watermarking and having a drop down list showing them the best ways to take your picture away

its like leaving your car doors open and wondering why someone nicked yer radio ..
 
KIPAX said:
uploading your pics to flikr.. not watermarking and having a drop down list showing them the best ways to take your picture away

its like leaving your car doors open and wondering why someone nicked yer radio ..
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Yeah, it is like having a shop with things just sitting on the shelves at eye height! Who would do tha......oh, wait a second!

Theft is theft, no excuse imo.
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
Theft is theft, no excuse imo.
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try going to court or your insurance and telling them you left your car doors wide open in a poor area and you want to claim because your radio and stuff got nicked

yes theft is theft but you ahve to take some responsibility for looking after your own stuff.. photos included.. you cant just stick them up there... offer everyone various means to download your picture.. then compalin they did ...well you can obviosuly... but to then expect sympathy? :)
 
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If they credited and linked to flickr, why is it a problem? I thought that was what flickr was about i.e. Photo sharing!
 
KIPAX said:
try going to court or your insurance and telling them you left your car doors wide open in a poor area and you want to claim because your radio and stuff got nicked
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Insurers offer a service and have various rules in that service, ie you have to take all reasonable care such as locking the car if you want them to payout. That doesn't mean because you didn't lock the car it's no longer illegal to take the car without permission. Your wife can take the keys off the key hook in your house and drive your car, she's breaking the law if you haven't given her permission to take it!

KIPAX said:
yes theft is theft but you ahve to take some responsibility for looking after your own stuff.. photos included.. you cant just stick them up there... offer everyone various means to download your picture.. then compalin they did ...well you can obviosuly... but to then expect sympathy? :)
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Drop down menus make it easy, but that doesn't make it right or legal to take the image without permission, they should have asked. Besides, right click on any image on the internet and you can copy it, a poor quality version, but that may be all they want!

And for the record, I'm not looking for or expecting sympathy, simply sharing an experience and frustration.

Splog said:
If they credited and linked to flickr, why is it a problem? I thought that was what flickr was about i.e. Photo sharing!
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It's my work and I'd like a say in how it's used.
I'm curious though why you've set your flickr so I cannot download your images! You have a flickr site, why wont you let me share?
 
Mentalblock said:
Drop down menus make it easy, but that doesn't make it right or legal to take the image without permission
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so heres my picture.. no watermark ..heres a drop down list of ways to take my picture.. but hey don't ?

yes theft is theft (AGAIN?) but like your car or your house or your wallet .. you ahve to take some responsibility for its safety if you dont want others to use/take it... not only are you not taking responsibility.. your waving them about and telling people how to take them..
 
Sorry Kipax, are you just looking to extend the debate for some reason?
It's illegal full stop. I don't care how often you repeat yourself.

If you care to look back and read my original post, you'll see that I'm not complaining about how they got the image, but that they didn't ask about using it.
I realise it may have been easy which is why I then say about checking my flickr settings.

Anyway, I can't keep talking, I'm off to fit a chain to my camera so I can chain it to my wrist. Off out tomorrow in public with it and wouldn't want someone thinking it's OK to mug me because I only had a fabric strap around my neck!
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
Yeah, it is like having a shop with things just sitting on the shelves at eye height! Who would do tha......oh, wait a second!

Theft is theft, no excuse imo.
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Well said Sir. :clap:
 
Mentalblock said:
It's illegal full stop. I don't care how often you repeat yourself.

If you care to look back and read my original post, you'll see that I'm not complaining about how they got the image, but that they didn't ask about using it.
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Actually it's probably not illegal at all, it's probably done though the Flickr API thing, where you can insert a gallery into a web page and it will search using keywords and past in an apporpriate image. It's in the Flickr terms and conditions that as long as the image is not hosted on their site, and they use the flickr hosted image (so clicking on it links back to Flickr) then it is all above board.

I believe this is the same process which allows flickr images to show up in google images, i.e. not private (although I may be wrong on that).
 
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i've got my settings not to show images on public searches, on 3rd party sites that use the API nor to allow blogging, all rights reserved etc etc.. still find them being used on blogs and sites
 
Technology is a wonderful thing, and to my knowledge right clicking on an image usually allows you to copy it off the web. So no setting is going to be perfect.

But, all my images state all rights reserved so whether they could see the image on a public site, hung on a wall, or anywhere else, they shouldn't have used it without asking, which is my frustration. It's more frustrating that they gave a link and credit meaning they knew who I was and could easily have asked!

Just been reading that API thing, technology again!
flickr say.........

Comply with any requirements or restrictions imposed on usage of the photos by their respective owners. Remember, Flickr doesn't own the images - Flickr users do. Although the Flickr APIs can be used to provide you with access to Flickr user photos, neither Flickr's provision of the Flickr APIs to you nor your use of the Flickr APIs override the photo owners' requirements and restrictions, which may include "all rights reserved"

I don't think it was an API thing though, but I could be wrong.
 
Mentalblock said:
Technology is a wonderful thing, and to my knowledge right clicking on an image usually allows you to copy it off the web. So no setting is going to be perfect.

But, all my images state all rights reserved so whether they could see the image on a public site, hung on a wall, or anywhere else, they shouldn't have used it without asking, which is my frustration. It's more frustrating that they gave a link and credit meaning they knew who I was and could easily have asked!

Just been reading that API thing, technology again!
flickr say.........

Comply with any requirements or restrictions imposed on usage of the photos by their respective owners. Remember, Flickr doesn't own the images - Flickr users do. Although the Flickr APIs can be used to provide you with access to Flickr user photos, neither Flickr's provision of the Flickr APIs to you nor your use of the Flickr APIs override the photo owners' requirements and restrictions, which may include "all rights reserved"

I don't think it was an API thing though, but I could be wrong.
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Post a link up and then it's obvious. FWIW, I have mine as copyrighted/all rights reserved etc but they still come up via the API, the reason being is they are not hosting it themselves, but in a way displaying part of Flickr on their site, hence why it has your account name and links to your page etc.
 
I thought our biggest flickr hater had been banned :lol: Kipax don't be that guy :naughty:

For the record flickr does have it's faults but a great many can be stopped by the user :D about the only thing people can do is to share my URL :thumbs:

Matt
MWHCVT
 
Mentalblock said:
Well this should be a nice feeling and a mile stone in my photography, that is the fact that someone thinks one of my images is good enough for their web site.
However, that someone failed to ask my permission which is disappointing and basically cheeky!

It came to my attention after someone unknown to me posted a link, on my flickr, to the website using my image. When I clicked on the link I was surprised to see my image, complete with a credit to me and a link back to my flickr page!

The credit and link were a nice gesture and would have been my only request had they asked to use the image. But it just shows how easy it would have been for them to ask.

As they are a non-profit making community group, and considering they provided the credit and link, I've emailed them confirming they may continue using the image on their web (but for nothing else without asking first!), but pointed out my disappointment that they failed to ask first. I've also suggested they contact the other flickr members who they've also used material from.

Now I'm off to check my flickr settings so no one can take my work again!!
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I found one of mine on a Korean site and just emailed them thanking them for choosing my image and that they could now either remove it or stump up £150. It was down within minutes :lol:
 
KIPAX said:
uploading your pics to flikr.. not watermarking and having a drop down list showing them the best ways to take your picture away

its like leaving your car doors open and wondering why someone nicked yer radio ..
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Did you take the photo you use as your avatar?

Just curious, like. :)
 
A lot of site I looked at when starting to blog recommend flickr as a source of free photos. The usual advice is that as long as you credit the photographer and link back to the original photo then it's perfectly fine. It's possible that the site owner had no idea they were doing anything wrong.

In fact for a long time I assumed anything posted up on the internet was fine to use as long as it was credited due to (possibly) faulty copyright misinformation. ie. as long as it's non-profit blah blah blah.
 
print screen - works every time.
 
Christ, no one even looks at my flickr page lol, haven't got the problem of people nicking my pics lol!
 
All my pics on flickr are set as private so only I can access them. I can still link to them to show them to people but nobody can just steal them directly from flickr unless they manage to hack my account. I don't even bother with watermarks, although I would if the pics were public. If you really don't want your pics to be lifted, don't put them on the internet!
 
Making all my pictures private is an option, and I do for family stuff using the guest pass to share them with non family contacts. But I guess I'm happy for some images to be viewed publicly on the off chance (I know I'm dreaming) that someone lagit comes along and is prepared to pay for an image!

Also, if I make them 'private' wont that stop my contacts seing them?
I'm happy to share them with my contacts, all of which take a better picture than I do anyway :lol:

The ones I think may fall into the category of 'will someone be interested in it' I watermark and put a smaller file up so they are limited in what they can do with it illegaly. I guess what this has tought me is that I should stop putting non watermarked images up as what I may not think is appealing may be appealing to others. So saying that, one of the other images they've used off flickr was watermarked and looks like he's a pro or at least a serious amature with his own web site etc!
 
Mentalblock said:
Your wife can take the keys off the key hook in your house and drive your car, she's breaking the law if you haven't given her permission to take it!
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*Pedant mode*

Not true, there is a thing called 'implied permission' where it is a resonable defence in this situation for the wife to say that if you knew she was taking the car then you would have given her permission, even if you wouldnt have.

*end pedant mode*
 
Type1 said:
*Pedant mode*

Not true, there is a thing called 'implied permission' where it is a resonable defence in this situation for the wife to say that if you knew she was taking the car then you would have given her permission, even if you wouldnt have.

*end pedant mode*
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Dam the law is against us husbands :bang:

I always thought people needed permission to drive your vehicle.
I guess it is implied though in my case as she's named on the policy!
 
hee hee this has now happened to me, I am linked to a water tower appreciation site - yay

actually it's good because the link takes the user right back to my flickr stream, which is more traffic for me, and I've found a cool new blog to read - maybe get advice on more follys to look for - no problems with it because it's a link and they aren't trying to make money from me

I set up a blog a while ago and I noticed that the host gives you the option to link to flickr, seems to be a standard blog thing nowadays
 
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