Heat Alert

We saw 33 degrees this afternoon in Bicester, 32 in the village around 4pm. It's fairly humid again, though not terrible, and that doesn't help.
 
At 9.45 am it was 31C under the patio brolly..having a late brekky. I then left the thermometer in the sun and at 1120, as I post, it's 40C. The hottest part of the day seems to be around 3.30pm-4,00pm so goodness knows what it will be by then. We offer cold water from the fridge to delivery drivers who really appreciate it. We used to have bottled water in the fridge until I got a glass water jug with a sealed lid..pull cap..to stop any food 'smells' getting in which they did with an open jug. More of an investment than a cost. Water from the tap needs chilling.

The government has asked retailers not to sell disposable BBQs rather than to issue a straightforward ban on their use away from home. I'm guessing, but maybe retailers could claim compensation for lost sales ? Could there be 'emergency measures' that would stop claims. Irresponsible retailers online won't care about fire risk so maybe LAs could enact emergency by-laws or whatever to target the irresponsible and there are plenty of those around . It's happened before when we've had prolonged hot weather and these type of BBQs have been left on site and caused fires. The users think the coals or whatever they use are 'dead' because there's no reddish glow but they aren't.
 
At 3.45pm the thermometer, in the sun was off the scale..ie 50C is max recorded. In the shade under the patio brolly..40C. Cooler front of house temp..37C.
 
Hopefully cooler up here today , haven’t been out with the camera for a while its too hot and dragonfly numbers are down a lot this year at my favourite site whixhall moss , a peat bog the heat and pollution from a nearby chicken farm is badly affecting the environment there , very sad
 
I have lived in a hot and dry environment for a part of my life, xeriscaping was a big thing at the time.
Now the summer we have this heat has reminded me of that.
But at the beginning of the year we were snowed in.
Is it global warming !
We know that there are places in the world that have ancient riverbeds that are now dried up, we know that there are some places with dried up lakes and seas.
We also know that there are once inhabited aeras now under the sea.
Is it a natural occurrence that the earth has these thing happening.
I am not saying Global warming is not real, but similar things were going on long before there was a massive population or industry to cause things to happen.
Could it be volcanic events or earthquake events that are contributing to what we are experiencing today.

I have this week spoken to a young man who has just come back from the far east, one of the places he went was Vietnam.
His take on it was that there is no perception about carbon neutral or any such thing.
For the most part these people have next to nothing and are just surviving.
Running about on broken down mopeds with the family on board.
Pulling home made trailers with the moped, one real wheel and one homemade wooden one. so I doubt if any of their concerns are remotely the same as ours on this subject.

There have been ice ages, massive storms, earth quakes that buried city's, volcanic eruptions that created famine.
Might be just how it is going to be no matter what any one says or thinks.

The 1883 Krakatau eruption, when you read about it I feel throws a lot of light on to what can happen.

Where I live there is an old lifeboat station that is not now near the sea due to a massive storm, the river mouth near by was totally changed.
 
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Oldbones said:
I am not saying Global warming is not real, but similar things were going on long before there was a massive population or industry to cause things to happen.
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If you make such claims, the thought police will consign you to the seventh circle of Hades!

Suggesting that global warming and cooling is an entirely natural process, which has occurred throughout the existence of this planet, is anathema. What's more, if the money people realise that they've been conned, a lot of academics will be scrambling for a new reason to receive research grants. Worse (or you may dare to say "better") many internet "influencers" will have to find a new bandwagon from which to con sponsors.

Having said which, I agree with you. ;)
 
Our current bout , event of climate Change is very real and it is man made that is 100% scientifically backed up.
it has been ramping up since the industrial revolution at an epic scale.

Wether you believe or not is not important because mankind does not have the tech or the ability to repair the damage
All mankind now will do for the next xxx years is make excuses and find ways to survive,
 
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Mr Bump said:
Our current bout , event of climate Change is very real and it is man made that is 100% scientifically backed up.
it has been ramping up since the industrial revolution at an epic scale.

Wether you believe or not is not important because mankind does not have the tech or the ability to repair the damage
All mankind now will do for the next xxx years is make excuses and find ways to survive,
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100% ?
 
Mr Bump said:
Our current bout , event of climate Change is very real and it is man made that is 100% scientifically backed up.
it has been ramping up since the industrial revolution at an epic scale.

Wether you believe or not is not important because mankind does not have the tech or the ability to repair the damage
All mankind now will do for the next xxx years is make excuses and find ways to survive,
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In that case then all we have to do is get rid of the human race; problem solved.
 
I don’t think that there is any doubt that our planet is warming up, don’t have a reference but anyone who watches nature will have seen the change
I believe that it is man made haven’t seen any credible arguments to the contrary
 
From what I've read, human activity is working with the natural cycle to amplify it, making the extremes more extreme, possibly pushing into positive feedback so that we may see a runaway effect. It's unlikely to wipe out the human race, but might well render a significant part of what's presently habitable as inundated with water or desert.
 
I have to agree that it is happening, the reasons are what is questionable I feel.
We are living in a blame, lets have an enquiry. and what lessons can we learn culture.
Can we blame the individual, who has not made the decision to bottle or wrap most things they need in plastic.
Or is it the car builders of the world who have taken the fossil fuel engine and improved it year by year to be more efficient and cleaner.
Could it be corporations, moving their factories to foreign countries and setting up shop, without the regulation that they once had in their country of origin.
Global economy and countries trying to keep up, they wont stop their own industrial revolution and if that means factories spewing out harmful things in to the atmosphere, after all we had our very own industrial revolution.
We do live in a better country as far as these sort of thing are concerned, although our rivers and seas are not in very good condition.
So we are in the world where there is still rough and messy industrial revolutions going on, and lots of what we use from day today comes from there. Out of sight out of mind.
What can we do, if the UK became 100% carbon neutral today, would it change any thing.
But the next time I have my blueberries that I buy, I will bet they are in a wee plastic disposable tub, and I know some of this comes from EU countries.
 
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The problems caused by the manufacture and use of non recyclable plastic are horrendous.
Why don't countries just ban their sale and use, like tomorrow.
There are so many quick, easy fixes available but seemingly no appetite to implement them.
 
Jonny Guitar. said:
The problems caused by the manufacture and use of non recyclable plastic are horrendous.
Why don't countries just ban their sale and use, like tomorrow.
There are so many quick, easy fixes available but seemingly no appetite to implement them.
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Like when it was the flavour of the month, supermarkets charging for the plastic carrier bags, to help reduce use.
Now my local shop charges £0.40 per bag, so its become a great wee income for them.
They haven't reduced use of plastic, just made it into a other means of getting money.
 
It has hugely reduced the number of flimsy plastic bags. It's comparatively rare these days for shoppers to not have their own bags (at least it is at the supermarkets we use!)
 
Oldbones said:
I have to agree that it is happening, the reasons are what is questionable I feel.
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This is the key: "the world is changing so it must be someone's fault".

It seems to me that a certain type of person just can't cope with the concept that things like the climate are totally beyond our control at the moment and may always remain beyond of our control. Far better to claim that things are caused by the "misbehaviour" of others, than have to accept that the planet, the sun it orbits and the galaxy of which it is a very minor component, will do what they will do, despite our wishes.
 
The change at the moment is happening at an astonishing rate.

Whilst climate might have changed in the past, it took thousands of years, barring a volcanic eruption or meteorite strike. There hasn't been one of those.

If anyone thinks that extracting millions of years of locked up carbon in a couple of centuries and shoving it in the atmosphere, whilst at the same time reducing the natural processes that remove carbon (cutting down forests etc.) won't have an effect, they are deceiving themselves.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
This is the key: "the world is changing so it must be someone's fault".

It seems to me that a certain type of person just can't cope with the concept that things like the climate are totally beyond our control at the moment and may always remain beyond of our control. Far better to claim that things are caused by the "misbehaviour" of others, than have to accept that the planet, the sun it orbits and the galaxy of which it is a very minor component, will do what they will do, despite our wishes.
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When I was about ten years old, fifty five years ago, my dad told me someday we will all be back to the horse and cart.
I have a feeling he was not far wrong about that.
 
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Oldbones said:
When I was about ten years old, fifty five years ago, he told me someday we will all be back to the horse and cart.
I have a feeling he was not far wrong about that.
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Almost all of us will be dead. And the horses too.
 
Just seen this - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0jlyqdj6geo

Why temporary?

As a fully paid up old fart I have used disposable barbeques in the past but that was when we would get a week and a bit of really hot weather a couple of times in the summer.

The conditions we have now, and for quite a few of the last ten or more years, are different.

Is a complete ban on them now too extreme?

Dave
 
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I imagine they didn't want to have to pay compensation to retailers.
 
Oldbones said:
So do you think it will come to that, global warming, no matter what is creating it, will eventually get us back to the 1800s or even further back.
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Oh, nothing like the 1800s. Back then there was a balanced biosphere, with billions of alive organisms all interacting and providing environments for each other. There will be a mega extinction and there will be very little life left. What is left will adapt and develop and evolve, as life has always done.

What will happen this year is acceptable food shortages. (By acceptable, I mean rich people will still be able to get food, through the medium of money. Until there is not really any food left)
As the increase in heat affects rain, life forms, etc. and affects the symbiotic relationships that most life forms have, they will reduce in number or die out. How quickly that happens is not known. Definitely with 50 years, quite possibly in the next 5-10.


It's pretty grim, people have been warning about it for over 100 years. But vested interests have been and are feeding misinformation on a grand scale. It's a bit like the tobacco industry disgrace last century. With one big difference. This isn't leading to smoke affected lungs, emphysema and cancer, it is leading to the end of life as we know it.
 
jonny pallisey said:
no point bellyaching about it . Quite often the ones moaning the loudest have big fuel guzzling cars And a woodstove .
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not the poor people in 3rd world countries who's crops are failing year after year and then catastrophic floods wipe there villages away?
 
Pound Coin said:
Oh, nothing like the 1800s. Back then there was a balanced biosphere, with billions of alive organisms all interacting and providing environments for each other. There will be a mega extinction and there will be very little life left. What is left will adapt and develop and evolve, as life has always done.

What will happen this year is acceptable food shortages. (By acceptable, I mean rich people will still be able to get food, through the medium of money. Until there is not really any food left)
As the increase in heat affects rain, life forms, etc. and affects the symbiotic relationships that most life forms have, they will reduce in number or die out. How quickly that happens is not known. Definitely with 50 years, quite possibly in the next 5-10.


It's pretty grim, people have been warning about it for over 100 years. But vested interests have been and are feeding misinformation on a grand scale. It's a bit like the tobacco industry disgrace last century. With one big difference. This isn't leading to smoke affected lungs, emphysema and cancer, it is leading to the end of life as we know it.
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Very scary and not unbelievable I must say.
But when you think about the whole of Europe and perhaps more having major crop failures on a regular basis.
I would believe there will be food shortages, we have been warned very recently that British farmers are expecting this to happen here.
 
LCPete said:
I don’t think that there is any doubt that our planet is warming up, don’t have a reference but anyone who watches nature will have seen the change
I believe that it is man made haven’t seen any credible arguments to the contrary
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It's not global warming/climate change that is the issue.. As you say, Pete, that's a fact.. As you know, the discussion has been about whether it's been caused by human activity..ie anthropogenic global warming. So ..as 98% of climatologists believe it is, you are are in good company ..:) That percentage varies from 97%-99.9%. Before anyone picks me up on that detail.

Here's what I do when the sceptics/deniers/Flat Earthers ...raise their voices. I produce a chart showing the rapid rise in CO2 emissions since the start of the Industrial Revolution..ie 1750.


ourworldindata.org

CO₂ emissions

How much CO₂ does the world emit? Which countries emit the most?
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

"In this chart, we see the growth of global emissions from the mid-18th century through to today"

"We see that before the Industrial Revolution, emissions were very low. Growth in emissions was still relatively slow until the mid-20th century. In 1950 the world emitted 6 billion tonnes of CO<span>2</span>. By 1990 this had almost quadrupled, reaching more than 20 billion tonnes. Emissions have continued to grow rapidly; we now emit over 35 billion tonnes each year. Emissions growth has slowed over the last few years, but they have yet to reach their peak."
 
There’s a distinct possibility that humans are effectively causing climate change but it’s also possibly a natural effect that has nothing to do with us , before the industrial age starting late 1700’s they had extreme weather conditions , I.e the Thames freezing solid people holding markets on it , , go back a thousand years and sea levels were a lot higher ,evidence of Roman harbours now half a mile from the sea exist in my area , the city of Chester was once a island etc , go back 10,000 years and you had the younger dryass a mini ice age for a thousand or so years that stretched as far as the Mediterranean. Things change over time if crops fail to often the planetary population will adjust either by starving or by war over supplies . At it’s current rate of growth mankind is doomed ,we are curing illness and eliminating virus and plagues but long term getting ever closer to a extinction level event due to over population
 
JohnC6 said:
It's not global warming/climate change that is the issue.. As you say, Pete, that's a fact.. As you know, the discussion has been about whether it's been caused by human activity..ie anthropogenic global warming. So ..as 98% of climatologists believe it is, you are are in good company ..:) That percentage varies from 97%-99.9%. Before anyone picks me up on that detail.

Here's what I do when the sceptics/deniers/Flat Earthers ...raise their voices. I produce a chart showing the rapid rise in CO2 emissions since the start of the Industrial Revolution..ie 1750.


ourworldindata.org

CO₂ emissions

How much CO₂ does the world emit? Which countries emit the most?
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

"In this chart, we see the growth of global emissions from the mid-18th century through to today"

"We see that before the Industrial Revolution, emissions were very low. Growth in emissions was still relatively slow until the mid-20th century. In 1950 the world emitted 6 billion tonnes of CO<span>2</span>. By 1990 this had almost quadrupled, reaching more than 20 billion tonnes. Emissions have continued to grow rapidly; we now emit over 35 billion tonnes each year. Emissions growth has slowed over the last few years, but they have yet to reach their peak."
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Thanks John that shows it exactly and is irrefutable
To be honest I find it hard to understand why some people argue so strongly against it being man made the evidence is as you say overwhelming
 
the black fox said:
There’s a distinct possibility that humans are effectively causing climate change but it’s also possibly a natural effect that has nothing to do with us , before the industrial age starting late 1700’s they had extreme weather conditions , I.e the Thames freezing solid people holding markets on it , , go back a thousand years and sea levels were a lot higher ,evidence of Roman harbours now half a mile from the sea exist in my area , the city of Chester was once a island etc , go back 10,000 years and you had the younger dryass a mini ice age for a thousand or so years that stretched as far as the Mediterranean. Things change over time if crops fail to often the planetary population will adjust either by starving or by war over supplies . At it’s current rate of growth mankind is doomed ,we are curing illness and eliminating virus and plagues but long term getting ever closer to a extinction level event due to over population
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What's different this time is the rapidity of it . CO2 is the driver. To give an idea of the role of volcanoes ..which I've heard sceptics mention, verses mankind's output,annually have a read of this....the second paragraph. A copy/paste.

"Carbon can be released from such geological reservoirs by a variety of processes. If rocks are uplifted to form mountain ranges, erosion occurs and the rocks are broken down. Metamorphism – changes inflicted on rocks due to high temperatures and pressures – causes some minerals to chemically break down. New minerals are formed but the carbon may be released. Plate tectonic movements are also associated with volcanism that releases carbon from deep inside Earth's mantle.

"Today it is estimated by the U.S. Geological Survey that the world's volcanoes release between 180 and 440 million tonnes of carbon dioxide per year - as opposed to the ~35 billion tonnes we release.'

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the black fox said:
There’s a distinct possibility that humans are effectively causing climate change but it’s also possibly a natural effect that has nothing to do with us , before the industrial age starting late 1700’s they had extreme weather conditions , I.e the Thames freezing solid people holding markets on it , , go back a thousand years and sea levels were a lot higher ,evidence of Roman harbours now half a mile from the sea exist in my area , the city of Chester was once a island etc , go back 10,000 years and you had the younger dryass a mini ice age for a thousand or so years that stretched as far as the Mediterranean. Things change over time if crops fail to often the planetary population will adjust either by starving or by war over supplies . At it’s current rate of growth mankind is doomed ,we are curing illness and eliminating virus and plagues but long term getting ever closer to a extinction level event due to over population
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It really isn't "possibly a natural effect that has nothing to do with us". That's the kind of misinformation put out by companies that want to continue to make their money. These companies and lobbies are hugely powerful, and very cleverly persuasive.
 
the black fox said:
There’s a distinct possibility that humans are effectively causing climate change but it’s also possibly a natural effect that has nothing to do with us...
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At school, in the 1950s and 60s, we were taught that the scientific method is to develop a theory; then do everything you can to break that theory, not defend it.

It seems that this wisdom has been forgotten, which does not bode well.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
At school, in the 1950s and 60s, we were taught that the scientific method is to develop a theory; then do everything you can to break that theory, not defend it.

It seems that this wisdom has been forgotten, which does not bode well.
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You’d better explain what you are trying to say. Is the earth not actually flat round?
 
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