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So I decided to buy a decent camera. I have a 2 year old son and now we're expecting twins so I want to capture some memories. I need something easy to use but do not want to compromise on quality, I wife needs to be able to use it as well. I also want to be able to shoot decent video. I thought I settled on the 650d but after going to Jessops to buy one I was told that the lumix G3 would be better suited to my needs. My wife prefers this due to its ease and size. I have a max budget of £600 and I would like the best camera for my money but theres so many options and opinions I would like some independent advise. Thanks in advance for any help.

Tom
 
If you have no great interest in photography and just want a decent point and shoot camera that can record decent video to capture a few memories, then you really don't need to be spending anywhere near that much.
 
I can get the g3 for £390 with £50 cashback. The 650d is £600. Money is a big consideration so I dont want to spend it if I dont need to. But like I say picture quality is important to me. Do you have any other suggestions? Do you still think the G3 is more than I need? I want to be able to edit the videos and photographs together in Premiere and play back at good quality on HD TV.
 
Nikon J1/v1 great little camera and shoots 60fps which on a recent trip to Disneyland was great as the little one didn't hang about for photos with mickey & Minnie! :-)
 
I have not used the G3 but have had a few mirrorless systems and my worry would be kids and movement, can a mirrorless system handle that with ease..

Canon are doing cashback at the mo, think its £50 on the 650d

I don't know what the fastest focusing camera is at the moment but a while ago Olympus and Panasonic took the lead from each other but I suppose you have to keep in mind that the tests are done with specific camera and lens combinations. I think what can be said though is that compact system cameras are very fast to focus on static subjects although some are not so good at tracking moving subjects though.

If photographing babies and small children indoors a worry for me could be the "kit" lens and it might be better to go for a 25mm f1.4 and just in case the OP is a little phased by that... a 25mm f1.4 will probably allow you to get better pictures when shooting in relatively lower light if you're not using flash, such as when photographing babies indoors. The drawbacks are that these lenses are a fixed focal length which means they don't zoom, they also cost more than the "kit" zoom lens you often get with a camera.

I hope that helps.
 
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If you're set on a interchangeable lens camera, I'd recommend buying 2nd hand. You'll get a lot more for your money.

For example, you could get a Nikon D3100 for £219 or a D5000 for £209. A good lens to start with would be a 18-105VR. Not the brightest lens ever, but good for a kit lens. It's better than the standard 18-55 IMO (longer focal range, front element doesn't rotate on focus) and can be had for £149.
So you could get a reasonably new (3100 is only 1 gen old) body + lens for £368, leaving you with nearly 40% of your budget left for other stuff. This could be useful later if you decide you want to get a fast prime (35mm f/1.8 is lovely) or a better flash, or a tripod, or nappies!

Prices quoted are from a reputable dealer (MPB) who give a 6-month warranty. Private purchase would be cheaper still.

A MFT camera like the G3 is a lot smaller and lighter, but the problem is lenses. If you want a better zoom than the kit lens it's very expensive, and whilst there are some nice primes that aren't horrendously expensive second hand, you might not want to commit to using primes if you're used to zoom lenses.

In my case, I started with a DSLR (D5000) but have now gone fully over to MFT. It works for me, as I view photography as a hobby (and so am prepared to spend a bit of money on it) and enjoy using primes (so MFT works for me). Your experience may differ!
 
Nikon D3100 is a good starter camera, normally about £330 including 18-55 VR lens.
Blimey! Hadn't realised you could get new kit quite so cheap. Makes 2nd hand look expensive! :bonk:
 
£600 should buy you a very good camera. I've opted for the Canon 600d and Panamoz have it with 2 kit lenses (EF-S 18-55 & EF-S 55-250) for £520

The 650d has a touch screen (I believe) but I have no need for this - do you?
 
I'd go for for something like a decent, used D3xxx something again (or Canon/Sony/Pentax equiv - whatever feels right for YOU to hold). It's what I started out on (well first dSLR anyway). Simple but great cameras.

Also, just be aware that it is very addictive, and YOU WILL want to buy more glass (probably a 35mm 1.8 within a year), flash, a bag to carry it all in, a little tripod lol

So try some and think about what feels good in your hands whether it is Canon/Nikon etc, they are all much of a muchness. But also try and think about where you are going.
Babies dont need fast focus (not really), kids at park, you want quick response from shutter, requirements can change with age of the kids.

People go on about buying into a system, but i've never seen the reason why you cant change easily enough in a year or 2 as things can be sold on anyway, yeah, you might lose a bit, but thats called depreciation with any consumer goods (not the glass so much).

I'm talking Nikon here, as i've only had Canon P&S, but the 18-55 kit lens is actually pretty decent. Play around with this, get an idea of what you like and the conditions you shoot in often and by that time you will have a list of things that are frustrating you/limiting you in with your current kit, then you look to upgrade (you lack focal length?, you doing more indoors? etc). Then you remove cash from your wallet, get frustrated with your kit and buy again :)

I've just bought my first compact for years, a Fuji X10. Startup times and low light have came on a bit, but for kids, I am already very frustrated with shutter lag. ie. obtain focus, all good, snap...what you get is a picture of your kids a second or 2 after your snap. May not sound like a big deal, you wait till they are moving fast or even on a swing at the park and your head will be done in with it. dSLR still leads the way for this stuff IMO - although I hear Nikon 1 are good for this (they have other things I dont like so never bought one). X10 good for a lot of things though.

Some may disagree with the above, especially the shutter lag stuff, but its what works (or doesnt with ME), that's the point I'm trying to make for newbie. Also if you go for a D3xxx something or other, you will probably find these days that it isnt the camera that will limit you first but lens specs. ISO, fps, MP, DR are all great these days and we take them for granted at times on any modern dSLR IMO, a lot dont even get 50% features out of their camera body before moving on.

Any camera will get you OK snaps these days, just if you are happy with that and depends where you see yourself going in the future, but that's pretty hard to figure out until you start ($ lol). Buy used. You will want to change stuff around. If its just decent snaps half the time, then just pick up any compact. Yeah, you'll miss some shots at times, but not all...

Knowing what I know now, I would get:
1 flash (this will change your photogreaphy the most IMO if you want to that is) - Nissin £60
1 35mm 1.8 - £100 (cant beat it for newborns around the house, some on here have studios all well and good, but being practical here....)
1 normal zoom (comes with your camera and will be fine)
1 D3xxx - I wouldnt even be scared to look at the D3000 (ok you mention video so maybe not)

35 1.8 would be my first move for your newborns btw.

...and buy it all used. That's what I would do anyway. Lot to take in though and lets face all takes time to learn, but all good fun.
 
Spot on Dan.

Tried a lot of kit over the last year and i'm going 'backwards' (only in terms of perceived 'quality' around forums :) ) to a 100 quid Nikon 55-200 as my main longer zoom (to accompany a normal 17-50 2.8 zoom). I'm going 'light' (in dSLR terms) as it can be a pain with all the kids stuff in general when you leave the house. Think about this too.

For an example, the 55-200 is not the fastest lens on the planet, but no one can deny it isnt sharp, light or cheap. I've found for my eldest (age 4) she gets wound up at me snapping away if I'm too close, she never used to :) , so again, my needs have changed as the kids change. I now tell her i'm not taking any pictures while standing half a mile away snapping till my hearts content :) I needed more focal length, but i'll always be using this in daylight.... (even if its dull raining I probably wont be AT the park!) so do I need a £1k 70-200 at my local park for when I might be out on a really dull day (apart from attracting LOTS of unwanted attention) - ask yourself these things before overspending :) Just be careful of spending alot to start, i'd get a simple kit and the 35mm say (my youngest is 11 months and the 35 has never been off since she was born for her pics).

For low light or around the house if I dont want flash, I have the Tamron or my 35 1.8. All pretty cheap gear in the scheme of things. When the mood takes me I fire up my SB600 flash (i have discovered the art of low key with my daughters and completely over do it now :) ), everything I use is secondhand (apart from the 35). My requirements will possibly change again in 6 months...Nikon body (old D90) will stay the same. Bet you could buy all mine for 600 or close for example.
 
I can get the g3 for £390 with £50 cashback. The 650d is £600. Money is a big consideration so I dont want to spend it if I dont need to. But like I say picture quality is important to me. Do you have any other suggestions? Do you still think the G3 is more than I need? I want to be able to edit the videos and photographs together in Premiere and play back at good quality on HD TV.

I think the G3 is a good option if size is important :) You may be more likely to take the camera with you to places than you would a bigger, heavier dslr? You can buy the body only for £270 (after cashback): http://www.parkcameras.com/19569/Panasonic-DMC-G3-Body-Only-Black.html

Add the 20mm for £220: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...r&tag=1567&=electronics&qid=1350579636&sr=1-1 (after cashback)

And the 45mm 1.8 for £215: http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/olympus-mzuiko-45mm-f1-8-lens-pen.html

That's a bit above your budget though at circa £700 - but it will give you a couple of light, fast (as in aperture for use in low light, indoors etc) lenses with excellent image quality - as you can see from the photos here:
http://www.mu-43.com/f80/olympus-45mm-f-1-8-image-thread-16610/
http://www.mu-43.com/f80/panasonic-20mm-f-1-7-image-thread-298/

That said, if you don't mind the bulk/weight of a dslr then there are some great deals at the moment (eg: D3100 above) or for a bit more £ the Sony A57 (£450 with 18-55 kit lens after cashback, 50mm 1.8 prime lens £70 after cashback and/or 35mm 1.8 prime lens £115 after cashback) - Total:£635.

The advantage of a dslr/slt is faster AF and AF tracking on moving subjects and cheaper prime lenses.
 
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