1. myotis

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    I'm intrigued by the Alamy connection, given they have millions of photographs in their library submitted by their members, I'm struggling to believe they would actively go out and steal images, which I would have thought would have been disastrous for their business if found out.

    It will be interesting to see how this works out as I am assuming that one (maybe all the same person) of Alamy's contributors has been stealing your images and submitting them as their own. I did think that normally Alamy pictures were dual credited with the photographers name as well as Alamy's, but maybe this is no longer the case.

    [EDIT] Actually, I now realise that since you are identifying Alamy as the user, are these showing up in the Alamy catalogue, rather than being published by one of Alamy's customers.

    As a maybe relevant aside, I have now and again seen Alamy in the credits of BBC documentaries as being the supplier of some of the stills they have used.
     
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  2. sk66

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    So you're paying almost $500/yr for the pixsy service?
    IME, if you've had an online presence for many years initially pixsy will probably find a lot of matches, some of which they may recover money from. But after that the rate of infringements will most likely fall off heavily...
     
  3. sk66

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    This happens... you/pixsy won't be able to get anything from Alamy, but maybe from the contributor if they can be tracked down.
     
  4. myotis

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    I would have thought that Alamy, would need to know who had supplied the images. But, I do realise I am being a bit slow in the uptake and that these images may well be just in the Alamy database rather than being published some where.
     
  5. the black fox

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    It does take a while to work out which photos are worth pursuing , there’s only about 10 countries where image theft can be followed up , unfortunately Russia and China two of the worst offenders are not included . Pixys will knock back loads of the pics you submit and I know from experience that they usually don’t follow up anything that’s a small claim . They certainly do far more than just send out a pay me letter . One of mine involved signing online court papers for Louisiana state court which they guided me through every step .
    Unless I knew this was going to work I wouldn’t be spouting about it , yes it does require work on your part there’s no such thing as a free lunch , and it seems like as online they seem to have there detractors on here to . I don’t spout b******t it really does work but it takes time I reckon between 18 months to two years to finalise BUT IT WORKS
     
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  6. the black fox

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    Use the sliders to to sort out commercial use , then check where and by who it’s been used . Then use common sense to work out whether there worth pursuing if it’s just on a website no if in a paid for scenario I.e magazine etc or site advertising then chase it up
     
  7. mickledore

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    Showing up as Alamy.xx so they seem to have been "exported" around the world. As you say I assume it's one guy who has filched the image and has passed it off as his. probably won't get anything back. main image on alamy is a not very good image looking up inside the main tower at Liverpool Cathedral. I know it's mine because there is a flaw in it, which would be pretty hard to replicate - given that it was a cock up in my processing!
     
  8. myotis

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    At the very least, I would have hoped. you could get Alamy to remove them from their catalogue. I'm not sure where the liability lies, I think I've read its the end user, so it may not be Alamy who needs chased anyway, in terms of financial recompense. But that is why you need specialist help to sort out getting any monies you might be due. Hope you get something sorted.
     
  9. the black fox

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    the worst way you could serve them with a take down notice , especially if its not been credited to you
     
  10. sk66

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    They do/should. The issue is the person who submitted the image declared the rights (copyright/release) according to the TOS... so Alamy isn't liable for the infringement. And Alamy can't act on your behalf (file suit/take action) other than take the image(s) down after receiving a formal take down notice/claim. One should be able to find out who submitted the image easily enough on/from Alamy, but probably not any personal/contact information...
     
  11. myotis

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    Yes, as I suggested in my last post, I didn't think Alamy would be liable, but they should still be able to take them down and take some action against the contributor, with sufficient evidence that the contributor is not the owner.
     
  12. sk66

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    They can't take action against the contributor on your part, and they can't take action against them if they have not been caused any harm... they can and should take down the images a ban the contributor; but they are not likely to do either unless they have to (received formal take down notice with evidence/proof).
     
  13. myotis

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    That wasn't what I meant, I meant that action as in warning or even banning the photographer, and I did mention the need for sufficient evidence. It's not in Alamy's best interest to allow contributors to submit stolen images, so I would expect them, with enough evidence, but not necessarily a formal take down notice, to want to take some sort of action.
     
  14. sk66

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    It's happened before and the response was basically "not our problem." I can't say what eventually happened as I wasn't personally involved.
     
  15. myotis

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    That's a bit disappointing :-(
    Cheers,
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  16. JayJay

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    Surprised they didn't send them out sooner, but today I've had an email from Flickr about the changes.

    My interest was pricked in the list of new features for Pro accounts the offer of partner discounts - particularly Abode Creative Cloud. I wonder if that's available to existing CC subscribers - I hope so, that might help persuade me to move over from free to pro. I now have exactly 1,000 photos uploaded to Flickr.
     
  17. myotis

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    Yes, I made the same point near the beginning of the thread, as it substantially reduces the cost for Flikr for Adobe CC subscribers. It would be interesting to find out how this will work.
     
  18. the black fox

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    So it then be a case of if you don’t go pro , load one , delete one . The mind boggles
     
  19. AdamSi

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    I can’t see anything about them deleting I’m sure it will be as before as in you only see last 1000? And if you upgrade to pro again you get full access to all again?
     
  20. ancient_mariner

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    They have said they will eventually delete the oldest images in a free account to get it down to the 1000 limit.
     
  21. damianmkv

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    Deleted 3000 images yesterday. I don't look at them anyway and have kept my albums which have my kids growing up etc
     
  22. AdamSi

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    Ah didn't realise that but to be fair I pay for it as think its exceptionally good value for online backup and a decent place to store your images
     
  23. bakerk

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    Ok Bullet bit..with the discount code FLICKRPRO30 I just got a year for £28 so will postpone all my decisions re Flickr to 12 months from now.. by that time the Smugmug business model will have taken shape and I can make an informed decision
     
  24. gramps

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    I've also just upgraded to Pro to give me another 12 months to reiew the situation and preserve my albums.
    However, having switcched to Pro I've tried to install Flickr Uploader and in the installation process tells me I have to "Upgrade to Pro" before I can complete the installation.
    Time to test out their super new support system for Pro users! ;)
     
  25. mickledore

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    None of that is a surprise. The flickr infrastructure is falling apart. Don't rely on stats they are all over the place. Yesterday I had over 1000 views on one picture. This morning the total all time views on that image are 297. And I'm not the only one. And it's been going on for weeks. Not surprisingly there is no comment from the geeks of Silicon Valley. They have your $$$ so now you can sod off!
     
  26. davholla

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    This makes me glad that almost all my photos are on ipernity as well.
     
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    Had a support response this evening with all the help I needed, so can't fault that. :)
     

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