How does Google find TalkPhotography threads so quickly?

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I've noticed that Google seems to pickup TP threads within a day or so.

Where others struggle to get their sites recognised by google, how come TP threads get crawled reguarly.

Forgive me for my lack of 'crawler' knowledge! :)
 
Kerioak said:
Maybe they use Google analytics - I do and find anything new on my website usually gets picked up within minutes - I will try a test page and see how long it takes - will come back when I have it posted
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Thanks - that would be very useful! :)
 
Google is known to look at how the content on a site changes and sites that change most often are visited most often - one of the reasons that blogs seem to rank well in relation to static sites.

Other factors include things like visitor counts and time on site.

So a site that regularly has new content that many people visit and stay for a good length of time is one that Google will index very often.

Mike
 
mike weeks said:
Google is known to look at how the content on a site changes and sites that change most often are visited most often - one of the reasons that blogs seem to rank well in relation to static sites.

Other factors include things like visitor counts and time on site.

So a site that regularly has new content that many people visit and stay for a good length of time is one that Google will index very often.

Mike
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Wow - getting my site recognised is not going to be as easy I thought :(
 
Result already - searched for Chancepixies and Kerioak now that was FAST


Chancepixies-Animal-Rescue/IMG_3715
24 May 2010 ... Dogs needing Dogs needing homes at Chancepixies Animal Rescue, Chancepixies.com.
www.kerioak.com/Chancepixies-Animal-Rescue/.../IMG_3715.html - Cached
Kerioak - Christine Nichols Photography » Photo Diary (All Posts)
I visited Chancepixies Animal Rescue yesterday and met two delightful little ...
www.kerioak.com/?cat=1
Kerioak - Christine Nichols Photography » Photography Competition ...
I am a Trustee of Chancepixies Animal Rescue and we are holding a Dog Fun ...
www.kerioak.com/?p=1030
More results from kerioak.com »
 
boyfalldown said:
Have you registered the URL with google for them to crawl?
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Yes, both Google and Bing. I'm pretty sure there's an easy way to find out when (if) Google crawled my site. Any ideas?

From what I'm reading, my site should get picked up from links in my TP posts. Does this make sense?
 
FlyTVR said:
Yes, both Google and Bing. I'm pretty sure there's an easy way to find out when (if) Google crawled my site. Any ideas?

From what I'm reading, my site should get picked up from links in my TP posts. Does this make sense?
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To check you can use google webmaster tools for info about the crawl, you should be able to see the googlebot in your server stats and there are tools that let you view when a page was last cached by google.

TP (along with many other forums) uses a nofollow html tag which stops google from ranking or following the links contained in it. This is to stop you using a forum for just that purpose.
 
I have just had a quick look at your site. It has very little written content - the entry page and home pages are just basically one picture. Even your "about us" page gives no idea as to what part of the world you are in. If you want to attract clients I think it might help if they know where you are - I did find a town in one of the pages where I looked at the source code but I don't know whether this would be picked up as it does not appear in the wording on the site. I did read somewhere that search engines like written content, how true this is I don't know but it does make sense.

It looks as if your host has Google analytics but that you don't ?
var hasGoogleAnalytics = false;
var userGoogleAnalytics = "";
it is something worth considering to help your site be found.
 
Kerioak said:
I have just had a quick look at your site. It has very little written content - the entry page and home pages are just basically one picture. Even your "about us" page gives no idea as to what part of the world you are in. If you want to attract clients I think it might help if they know where you are - I did find a town in one of the pages where I looked at the source code but I don't know whether this would be picked up as it does not appear in the wording on the site. I did read somewhere that search engines like written content, how true this is I don't know but it does make sense.

It looks as if your host has Google analytics but that you don't ?
var hasGoogleAnalytics = false;
var userGoogleAnalytics = "";
it is something worth considering to help your site be found.
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Thanks Christine.

Your observations are correct. The main page of the site is literally just an entry to my main site. The main site is flash, and this is why I have created an entry page in simple HTML to give me more control over searchable content. I guess I may have to have some plain old text in the main page rather than hoping the meta tags will be enough for the crwaler thingy jiggy jobby :)

At the moment, google web tools states -

Crawl stats
Googlebot activity in the last 90 days
No data available.


Am I right in thinking (as the domain was only registered Saturday) that google just simply has not got round to crawling yet?
 
FlyTVR said:
Thanks Christine.

Your observations are correct. The main page of the site is literally just an entry to my main site. The main site is flash, and this is why I have created an entry page in simple HTML to give me more control over searchable content. I guess I may have to have some plain old text in the main page rather than hoping the meta tags will be enough for the crwaler thingy jiggy jobby :)

At the moment, google web tools states -

Crawl stats
Googlebot activity in the last 90 days
No data available.


Am I right in thinking (as the domain was only registered Saturday) that google just simply has not got round to crawling yet?
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yes.

Don't rely on th crawler indexing your meta tages for a google ranking. I don't think google even uses them any more. User content is king for google nowdays.
 
Google has actually been speeding up of late; when we launched a web site and it was indexed within about 8 hours if I remember correctly.

Some times it seems to do it very quickly-submitting your site to Digg, even if it doesn't get many votes seems to be one way of getting it indexed quickly.

Hope that helps!
 
FlyTVR said:
Wow - getting my site recognised is not going to be as easy I thought :(
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Good quality inbound links are your best bet, multiple relevant domains for your business sector linking into you will help your site performance.

If I were you I would also spend some time looking over your sites content, when viewing the source code there's a lot of random crap in there that the bots will see and index that you really dont want indexing ... looks like there's some default text on pages that you should have edited/deleted.

At the moment google is indexing one page from your site called home and with the content "click to enter site" not really what you want, maybe you have changed things since it was crawled but if not then it needs a lot of work.

Good SEO is a long and time consuming process but definitely worth the effort imo.
 
Google attempts to index based on the following criteria: what the site meta, and sitemap xml ask google to do, how often it finds changed content, how well structured the content and site is, and finally, following instructions left in the Robots.txt file... So on rapidly changing sites, with smart meta and XML, that will be quite often

in terms of google serach engine placement... think of it an an equation

page quality score x inbound links x google factors x relevance to search terms

- Say you write perfect copy, and have perfect on page SEO, your page quality score will be 100% or 10 points
- Say you have 1000 inbound links 10 x 1000 = 10000 points
- say you are 100% relevant to search term = 100 points 10000 x 100 = 1000000 points

What google does next is compares who has the most points and puts them at the top

(numbers totally fictitious and illustrative)

Here is the rub
If there is no competition, then you can get by with no inbound links, because you will be at the top of the pile anyway

Whats that "google factors" thing anyway?
google, and other search engines then skew the results based on a number of factors

1. page rank of inbound links
2. distribution and relevance of inbound links
3. age of domain, and changes to domain
4. relevance of anchor text to inbound links
5. relevance of text on your page to rest of text on page.. e.g. you wouldn't expect a page on arable farming to have references to teenage music etc..
6. about a hundred other things, some of which are in the public domain, and some of which are not
7. geography & Language

____

By far, it seems that if you get the page content unique, and get the onpage SEO perfect - the biggest factor seems to be

getting enough inbound links with the correct anchor text, from authorititive domains
 
Santa didn't come to my house overnight, but the Googlebot has been to my site! :)

Looking at google webmaster, it didn't find any errors, but I still can't google myself!
 
FlyTVR said:
Santa didn't come to my house overnight, but the Googlebot has been to my site! :)

Looking at google webmaster, it didn't find any errors, but I still can't google myself!
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Google might visit the site. However, it may not take any notice of any changes for a while

remember Google is looking for:

Content
changes in content

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Also Google is looking at rapid changes in content (i.e. a children's cloths site that is suddenly a porn site)

Google will also be checking for stability (no point in a site where all the content is changing all of the time)

This is why google likes blogs / forums - because there is new relevant content being added to a pile of static existing content (growth)
 
Richard King said:
Google might visit the site. However, it may not take any notice of any changes for a while

remember Google is looking for:

Content
changes in content

--

Also Google is looking at rapid changes in content (i.e. a children's cloths site that is suddenly a porn site)

Google will also be checking for stability (no point in a site where all the content is changing all of the time)

This is why google likes blogs / forums - because there is new relevant content being added to a pile of static existing content (growth)
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Hi Richard. Thanks for taking the time to comment - much appreciated.

My website is a brand new domain. Not much content (yet) - granted, but does have some text with my name, town etc. This in itself is quite unique. I'm surprised that it's been crawled but ignored - if that is what it has done?
 
FlyTVR said:
Hi Richard. Thanks for taking the time to comment - much appreciated.

My website is a brand new domain. Not much content (yet) - granted, but does have some text with my name, town etc. This in itself is quite unique. I'm surprised that it's been crawled but ignored - if that is what it has done?
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google is skepical of new sites, it tends to keep an eye on them (for the reasons mentioned above) it also can sandbox a site, which effectivly pops you loads of pages back, untill it sees signs of permanance
 
You need at least 150 words and more likely 200 on the front page. Your page title says 'home' but should really be something like 'Cirencester Wedding and Portrait Photography' - you would then need some text in H1 tags 'Cirencester Wedding and Portrait Photography' - use the location you feel will be most searched for i.e. cotswolds rather than Cirencester - this text becomes one of the important strings to use in the link to your site. You should also repeat this text in your meta tags.

From what I'm reading, my site should get picked up from links in my TP posts. Does this make sense?
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Many sites put a no follow condition on outgoing links so dont be surprised if google does not include links from this forum.

Mike
 
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